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Overpowered
Czech Republic764 Posts
On June 14 2011 03:59 Jswizzy wrote: Can anyone clear up the DLC rage? Is it something that is going to effect the game or is it just a moral panic? Also, DICE (not EA) said that these thing in Physical Warfare wont be THAT good and it would be just simple bonus and small addition to our arsenal, nothing groundbreaking. I still dont like it, but my preorder will stay, for now. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
So they're not going to preorder the game because doing that gives you extra stuff? Do they even know what it is or are people just overreacting? As for the destructable terrain, I'm ok with it, because you can actually prone in this game (don't know if you could in the others, but I know you couldn't in BC2) | ||
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
On June 14 2011 04:08 DrainX wrote: If you preorder the game through certain stores in the UK you will get some weapons and weapon addons that will be impossible to get any other way. You will not be able to unlock them. People are angry because this gives an unfair advantage to players who preorder through those stores. If we are lucky EA will change their mind and make the DLC open to everyone or they will make sure that all the content in that DLC is just reskinned versions of other weapons so it doesn't affect gameplay. It is still unclear if this is the case or not. More information here: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/hy24b/battlefield_3_preorder_dlc_boycott_coordination/ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/06/battlefield-3-preorder-weapon-and-item-bonuses-annoy-fans.ars http://kotaku.com/5811243/battlefield-3-finds-a-way-to-piss-people-off http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/13/boycott-against-battlefield-3-is-underway/ In my experience with fps preorders lately, any preorder weapons they give out are garbage anyways... | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On June 14 2011 06:02 Bibdy wrote: Heh, this is all a biproduct of consumers being incredibly intolerant to rising prices of video games, despite the sky-rocketing development costs. What would you rather have, a $60 game with all of the DRM, day-one DLC, exclusive retailer DLC and all of the other junk...or the game without that stuff costing $80-100? Why should we be tolerant of higher prices when companies feel so inclined to cut features out of games, take dedicated servers for instance, and then want to charge more for the game. Im fine paying more for a superior product, not for a gutted one. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32063 Posts
On June 14 2011 04:08 DrainX wrote: If you preorder the game through certain stores in the UK you will get some weapons and weapon addons that will be impossible to get any other way. You will not be able to unlock them. People are angry because this gives an unfair advantage to players who preorder through those stores. If we are lucky EA will change their mind and make the DLC open to everyone or they will make sure that all the content in that DLC is just reskinned versions of other weapons so it doesn't affect gameplay. It is still unclear if this is the case or not. More information here: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/hy24b/battlefield_3_preorder_dlc_boycott_coordination/ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/06/battlefield-3-preorder-weapon-and-item-bonuses-annoy-fans.ars http://kotaku.com/5811243/battlefield-3-finds-a-way-to-piss-people-off http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/13/boycott-against-battlefield-3-is-underway/ The best part is that, according to the kotaku clip, this same exact shit went down three years ago with BF:BC and people flipped a shit and it was nixed. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On June 14 2011 06:32 Hawk wrote: The best part is that, according to the kotaku clip, this same exact shit went down three years ago with BF:BC and people flipped a shit and it was nixed. Exactly. Lets hope it works this time too. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32063 Posts
What I really don't understand is why not implement some DLC that doesn't change gameplay. Like different unit skins or something, similar to how TF2 has a bunch of generally useless hats. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
Some pre-order option questions being answered. Idk the fuss i'm pre-ordering the game because getting the back to karkand expansion with it is nice and I know this game will be epic :D. | ||
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On June 14 2011 07:06 Hawk wrote: What I really don't understand is why not implement some DLC that doesn't change gameplay. Like different unit skins or something, similar to how TF2 has a bunch of generally useless hats. cant make much money from it, kids these days wont buy shit if they cant get a powerful weapon for $5 with wich they could own.. | ||
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lowkontrast
United States855 Posts
On June 14 2011 06:22 Seide wrote: Why should we be tolerant of higher prices when companies feel so inclined to cut features out of games, take dedicated servers for instance, and then want to charge more for the game. Im fine paying more for a superior product, not for a gutted one. Don't tell me you're seriously ignorant of how much game development costs go up as a result of technological advances? | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On June 14 2011 07:40 lowkontrast wrote: Don't tell me you're seriously ignorant of how much game development costs go up as a result of technological advances? Development costs going up is fine, I'm willing to pay extra for dedicated servers and features that matter to me. I'm not willing to pay more and have features that matter to me be cut out of games. The price isn't an issue for me in the slightest. The concept of Day 1 DLC is the issue for me. Why take things out of a game and make them available only to a certain subset, only so you can gurantee yourself a certain amount of higher sales at the games release. Sure theres the argument of "dont like it dont buy it", but that not how the psyche works, and trust me, people in marketing know this. DLC should be something that gives gamers a little extra, something that they wanted to put into the game but didn't finish quite in time. Not a tool to secure a larger profit margin. Plus, sure development costs are going up, but at the same time a game is now being sold for 3 systems. The extra sales make up for some of it dontcha think? Poor developers and publishers, only making $1 billion+ net sales off of Black Ops alone, we should really be more sympathetic to them shouldn't we? Not like BF2s pulled bad numbers either. With franchises like CoD and BF its almost a given that your dev costs will be covered and more. The only question remains is how much you want in your pocket at the end users expense. Couple that with EA having a history of pushing things untill people push back, and yeah I can see why people are unhappy. But hey, if you are happy getting regurgitated games year after year while getting reamed in the ass with new and improved DLC marketing schemes, more power to you. | ||
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mevy
Sweden13 Posts
On June 14 2011 06:02 Bibdy wrote: Heh, this is all a biproduct of consumers being incredibly intolerant to rising prices of video games, despite the sky-rocketing development costs. What would you rather have, a $60 game with all of the DRM, day-one DLC, exclusive retailer DLC and all of the other junk...or the game without that stuff costing $80-100? To me its not an issue about price. When I pay for a game I want to know I have the full game, not some kind of incomplete version of it. This is why the "physical warfare pack" bothers me, if you buy the game after the preorder timeline, because you could not afford it at the time, you wont be able to access the full game. Fuck that :/ | ||
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Aduromors
United States279 Posts
@Demize99 Since #BF3 is supposedly an aspiring e-sport contender, how do preorder guns fit into that? (dice reps actually use the term "esport" quite often)@themobsoftware I personally selected the items in question to present no balance issues. Leagues regularly restrict equipment regardless. Yes it won't be a balance issue because our game is guaranteed to be a imbalanced anyways! That's reassuring On June 14 2011 04:38 maartendq wrote: I find it funny how people regard a preorder as some kind of statement. exclusive preorder content is specifically to attract more preorders... so yes? EA would be stupid to ignore this backlash even if it is, as they claim, a vocal minority (yeah see there's a silent majority that likes exclusive content rite) | ||
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Jakatak_
United States117 Posts
Does anyone know if they are going to have it so you have to have silencers on the SMG's? I hated that on Bad Company 1/2. I noticed what looked like an SMG - maybe an Ak-74u, in this trailer at 0:29-0:31 with a silencer, but the gun actually looks like an Ak-47..but im not entirely sure.. I've checked a lot of places but can't seem to find anything at the bf3 forum. | ||
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
On June 14 2011 11:54 Bronzeanteater wrote: Does anyone know if they are going to have it so you have to have silencers on the SMG's? I hated that on Bad Company 1/2. I noticed what looked like an SMG - maybe an Ak-74u, in this trailer at 0:29-0:31 with a silencer, but the gun actually looks like an Ak-47..but im not entirely sure.. http://www.youtube.com/user/Battlefield?v=aPu7-LtLKmU&feature=pyv&ad=12531838540&kw=battlefield 3 I've checked a lot of places but can't seem to find anything at the bf3 forum. You can customize your weapons pretty heavily from what the devs said so you don't have to have a silencer. I never used one on any guns in BC2 and I used the ak-74u more than any other gun but I was playing PC so maybe it had different stats. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
Heh, this is all a biproduct of consumers being incredibly intolerant to rising prices of video games, despite the sky-rocketing development costs this is an uninformed and illogical view. For one, game prices have been artificially high compared to development costs for decades due to the business model pioneered by nintendo in the 1980s to prevent market busts like the crash in 1981. For two, and more importantly, a game has next to no production costs once developed. each copy you sell is pretty much pure profit- a boxed game costs between 2 and 5 dollars to produce, between 5 and 10 to get on shelves if you're not spending extra getting promo spots (don't get me started on how games retail works >.>) If you're putting your game up on a DD service, cuts range between 2% and 5% at the worst. Pure profit. This means that the best way of getting more profit is not to raise prices but to increase your player base. Sure modern games cost a shitload more to develop and market, but they also reach an audience 20 or 30 times the size they used to. The industry gets buyers, has more money to spend, and spends it making games capable of reaching even more people. The more they spend, the more people will buy, unless they fail super hard. Thus profits stay proportionally the same, but as the audience increases net profits rise. That is the business model the major publishers work off, at least in general. Of course, games like call of duty MW would have made regular profits, MW2 would have made INSANE profits because half the models, the engine, the brand building, tools, distribution model etc were already paid for and done. If you gave developers the same amount of money you do to make an original to make a sequel, you'd see something four or five times the length and quality you do. Dirty little secret, eh? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32063 Posts
On June 14 2011 07:12 whiteLotus wrote: cant make much money from it, kids these days wont buy shit if they cant get a powerful weapon for $5 with wich they could own.. People buy them in Team Fortress 2. Bit different game, but I would imagine giving players the option of buying like urban camo for $2.99 would generate a bit of cash with little to no work. Maybe buy the option to customize your guy further, who knows. I'd rather have to spring for that than be unable to compete with a gun I can't earn. | ||
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
No money up front? Really, you can't earn 60 dollars between now and November? Most places only need like a $5 downpayment anyways... you can't afford $5? Yeah, it sucks that they're making a blatant effort to milk sales out of people, but in all honesty, the people who pre-order the game aren't paying any more than those who buy it off the shelves. And pre-order bonus content is nothing new. Every FPS these days has it. I recall Homefront shipped with a pre-order shotgun. It's literally the only shotgun in the game, if you want to talk balance-altering guns. So I think this discussion should be less about why they're doing the pre-order, and more about why you aren't doing it... | ||
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