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whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 14:07:59
April 03 2014 08:54 GMT
#10501
hey guys, i was planning to finally get into magic online. not new to magic, though its a long time ago i did play some magic. know the rules, know basic concepts of tcg game theory, but obviously not the metagame. was planning to start with some standard budget deck as constructed is much easier to sustain than drafting right? how much money should i expect to have to drop? around 60$ to get some viable budget deck enough (online is much cheaper than paper right)?

edit: so, basically im looking to build some mono black or mono blue devotion and additionally some maze's end deck because it looks hilarious and is dirt cheap. which of the devotion decks will suffer more from not having mutavaults?
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
April 03 2014 16:34 GMT
#10502
I don't think either monoblue or monoblack is playable without mutavault
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 03 2014 16:57 GMT
#10503
Look at the UB Heroic Deck that Top 32'd not too long ago. All of the money is literally in 3 mutavaults, 4 Watery Graves and 4 Temples.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
April 03 2014 17:35 GMT
#10504
Boss Sligh is probably the most budget you can get.

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/deck_tech_boss_sligh_with_tom_.html

You can cut that mutavault and just run 17 lands, and there are probably a few sideboard tweaks you can do.
whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
April 03 2014 18:15 GMT
#10505
On April 04 2014 01:34 MCMcEmcee wrote:
I don't think either monoblue or monoblack is playable without mutavault


hm yeah dont know was thinking to kinda follow the sub 100$ decks thrown around here:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/standard-type-2/budget-forum-standard/66279-yakusokus-budget-guide-to-standard.

of course, im open to anything at the moment
ParanoiaDHerO
Profile Joined July 2009
United States183 Posts
April 03 2014 18:28 GMT
#10506
I think mono red and r/w burn are probably the two cheapest decks right now for raw power and results.
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
April 03 2014 19:48 GMT
#10507
Boss sligh is the cheapest option I can think of. The self-mill/"dredge" deck doesn't look too pricey outside of sideboard thoughtseize.
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 12:54:22
April 04 2014 12:53 GMT
#10508
woohooo just won my first THS block draft. it just was a 4-3-2-2 draft but it was also my second draft in general (after playing 10 new players m14 draft). oh god it feels so good. and holy crap it was so close. imm still pumped with adrenaline :D . 2nd round the other is 1:0 in the lead. then MTGO client starts to fuck up. (im using the beta client) couldnt do shit but the clock kept ticking and it stole mme 4mins after 1min waiting and 3min trying to reconnect. then i get the 1:1 with 3mins 50 secs left on clock. beat him down for the 2:1 with 16 secs remaining HOLYYYY SMOKE :D
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
April 06 2014 20:58 GMT
#10509
On April 04 2014 04:48 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Boss sligh is the cheapest option I can think of. The self-mill/"dredge" deck doesn't look too pricey outside of sideboard thoughtseize.

Thoughtseize isn't that expensive as well.
Here is my list : http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/227762

The problem with this deck is that you'll mulligan A LOT, and that can get frustrating.
The legend of Darien lives on
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-06 23:54:25
April 06 2014 23:51 GMT
#10510
has anyone noticed that occasionally magic players conveniently forget about the board state so that it benefits them? just now on SCG's stream, one player conveniently forgets that his elvish visionary died early in the turn, later in the same turn, he plays another one and then attacks with it along with craterhoof for the kill. I've seen similar behavior in other videos involving pro play as well.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 07 2014 00:00 GMT
#10511
On April 07 2014 08:51 caelym wrote:
has anyone noticed that occasionally magic players conveniently forget about the board state so that it benefits them? just now on SCG's stream, one player conveniently forgets that his elvish visionary died early in the turn, later in the same turn, he plays another one and then attacks with it along with craterhoof for the kill. I've seen similar behavior in other videos involving pro play as well.

Well there's always the Alex Bertoncini story. I mean at that level the matchups are fairly even so people just want the extra % that pushes them into a win @.@
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 00:13:22
April 07 2014 00:08 GMT
#10512
On April 07 2014 09:00 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 08:51 caelym wrote:
has anyone noticed that occasionally magic players conveniently forget about the board state so that it benefits them? just now on SCG's stream, one player conveniently forgets that his elvish visionary died early in the turn, later in the same turn, he plays another one and then attacks with it along with craterhoof for the kill. I've seen similar behavior in other videos involving pro play as well.

Well there's always the Alex Bertoncini story. I mean at that level the matchups are fairly even so people just want the extra % that pushes them into a win @.@

Alex's cheats are like "hard" cheats where he manipulated cards. There's also a bunch of subtle cheats where the player is like "I forgot this had summoning sickness" or "I forgot to remove the correct number of creatures from play after combat". If a newbie does it, I wouldn't care, but seeing fulltime pros do it makes me suspicious.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 07 2014 00:50 GMT
#10513
This coverage has been extremely good, heads up to CFB for actually solving the dead time problem in a pretty relevant and efficient manner.
Get it by your hands...
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 07 2014 01:10 GMT
#10514
On April 07 2014 09:08 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 09:00 MoonBear wrote:
On April 07 2014 08:51 caelym wrote:
has anyone noticed that occasionally magic players conveniently forget about the board state so that it benefits them? just now on SCG's stream, one player conveniently forgets that his elvish visionary died early in the turn, later in the same turn, he plays another one and then attacks with it along with craterhoof for the kill. I've seen similar behavior in other videos involving pro play as well.

Well there's always the Alex Bertoncini story. I mean at that level the matchups are fairly even so people just want the extra % that pushes them into a win @.@

Alex's cheats are like "hard" cheats where he manipulated cards. There's also a bunch of subtle cheats where the player is like "I forgot this had summoning sickness" or "I forgot to remove the correct number of creatures from play after combat". If a newbie does it, I wouldn't care, but seeing fulltime pros do it makes me suspicious.

The top level HoF-type people have a lot to lose from it but I can see why grinders who need to win might want to shave edges. There was a Judge session before about the ways people try to get edges through dubious means like trying to stack a deck and those little %s add up pretty significantly... I mean if you're playing one of those 55% against the field decks bumping it up to 60% is pretty nuts.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 03:17:16
April 07 2014 03:16 GMT
#10515
On April 07 2014 08:51 caelym wrote:
has anyone noticed that occasionally magic players conveniently forget about the board state so that it benefits them? just now on SCG's stream, one player conveniently forgets that his elvish visionary died early in the turn, later in the same turn, he plays another one and then attacks with it along with craterhoof for the kill. I've seen similar behavior in other videos involving pro play as well.


I'm guilty of doing this occasionally at FNM. I'll notice something wrong from a few turns back and just not say anything about it, it's usually too late to do anything about it anyway. Most recent example I can think of: I let my opponent's 2 Ash Zealots trade for my Smiter. I remembered they had First Strike, guess he didn't. It was a fun game though, I'd already 2-0'd him in regulation matches, but I did feel bad about it and mentioned it after the game.

That and I'll flat out lie if my opponent asks me if I'm dead, but I figure he should find that out for himself.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 07 2014 03:30 GMT
#10516
On April 07 2014 12:16 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 08:51 caelym wrote:
has anyone noticed that occasionally magic players conveniently forget about the board state so that it benefits them? just now on SCG's stream, one player conveniently forgets that his elvish visionary died early in the turn, later in the same turn, he plays another one and then attacks with it along with craterhoof for the kill. I've seen similar behavior in other videos involving pro play as well.


I'm guilty of doing this occasionally at FNM. I'll notice something wrong from a few turns back and just not say anything about it, it's usually too late to do anything about it anyway. Most recent example I can think of: I let my opponent's 2 Ash Zealots trade for my Smiter. I remembered they had First Strike, guess he didn't. It was a fun game though, I'd already 2-0'd him in regulation matches, but I did feel bad about it and mentioned it after the game.

That and I'll flat out lie if my opponent asks me if I'm dead, but I figure he should find that out for himself.



It's almost as painful being dead on board as it is to watch your opponent not see it and completely misplay.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 03:40:53
April 07 2014 03:40 GMT
#10517
On April 07 2014 12:30 Shotcoder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 12:16 deth2munkies wrote:
On April 07 2014 08:51 caelym wrote:
has anyone noticed that occasionally magic players conveniently forget about the board state so that it benefits them? just now on SCG's stream, one player conveniently forgets that his elvish visionary died early in the turn, later in the same turn, he plays another one and then attacks with it along with craterhoof for the kill. I've seen similar behavior in other videos involving pro play as well.


I'm guilty of doing this occasionally at FNM. I'll notice something wrong from a few turns back and just not say anything about it, it's usually too late to do anything about it anyway. Most recent example I can think of: I let my opponent's 2 Ash Zealots trade for my Smiter. I remembered they had First Strike, guess he didn't. It was a fun game though, I'd already 2-0'd him in regulation matches, but I did feel bad about it and mentioned it after the game.

That and I'll flat out lie if my opponent asks me if I'm dead, but I figure he should find that out for himself.



It's almost as painful being dead on board as it is to watch your opponent not see it and completely misplay.

letting your opponent misplay is fine. but wrongly resolving board states and spells when you know it's wrong is cheating.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
April 07 2014 05:44 GMT
#10518
New spoilers are up. RW god seems "fun".

The Reddit link that follows has the list from today.
http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/22echg/jou_all_journey_into_nyx_spoilers_for_47/
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Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
April 07 2014 07:11 GMT
#10519
Man constellation looks like an abusable mechanic in constructed. Probably not in standard but man if there are any decent, cheap cards some madness may be due.

I picked up a lot of junk coloured cards in the last couple of sets so I'm really looking forward to seeing what the G/W G/B and W/B stuff in this set is going to be like, I think junk midrange has a real shot at being a brutal deck.
Poisonous Sheep counter Hydras
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
April 07 2014 07:22 GMT
#10520
Mana Bloom for 0 with Eidolon of Blossoms
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