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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On December 20 2011 14:48 slyboogie wrote: That's pretty big news. What'll be the one drop of choice in zoo now? I'm not much of an eternal player. Loam Lion or Kird Ape? That landfall cat from Zendikar? Goblin Guide? Or just Noble Hierarch? I guess it depends on the deck. Loam Lion, Kird Ape, and Steppe Lynx already saw play in the deck so I think bumping those from 2 to 4 ofs might be the solution. I don't really think guide offers the deck as much as the others. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
I want it to be a splicer deck, and I'm fairly certain I want to include Shape Anew/Blightsteel combo on top of that. What I can't decide is if I want to go Bant (green accelerators get me to my splicers faster, gives me vital splicer AND wing splicer on top of blade, mana leak and card draw from blue, but has bad mana without investment in scarslands that have become massively overpriced), G/W (Accelerators, possible parallel lives/Overrun additions), or U/W (Counters and card draw, wing splicer, and some bounce for tempo). I was also thinking about making it more Token based overall, with Geist Honored Monk, Intangible Virtue, Midnight Haunting, and Moorland Haunt on top of all the splicers, but that'd have to be U/W or Bant. Champion of the Parish also seems good in either because he triggers off all the splicers, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Geist Honored Monk, and the rest, but I'd probably limit him to G/W because I'd need accelerators to keep dropping humans every turn since they're all 3-5 drops. I have to admit I have a personal preference towards U/W since I've been running an Esper deck lately, but I wanted to get opinions. Right now this is just an idea, so I really haven't built a hard and fast decklist yet, anyone have opinions on which direction I should pursue and/or good stuff I might be forgetting? | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
PWPs no longer really matter. We get a pseudo worlds back, and the pro players club is returning. Thank God. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
I threw in a singleton primal hunter just because I had one and It worked great whenever I got it off. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
*goes back to playing GW tokens* | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
GW fine at FNM here since lots of UW humans and untuned control lists | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On December 24 2011 22:52 MCMcEmcee wrote: wasn't even a PT, was a GP GW fine at FNM here since lots of UW humans and untuned control lists untuned control lists? How do people not run 3-4 day of judgments or 3 black suns? I mean in the Esper build I'm running I have 3 Days main, a 4th in the side and 1 black sun plus the usual 4 timelys. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On December 25 2011 07:37 Shotcoder wrote: untuned control lists? How do people not run 3-4 day of judgments or 3 black suns? I mean in the Esper build I'm running I have 3 Days main, a 4th in the side and 1 black sun plus the usual 4 timelys. So, that sounds untuned. Basically, you're running half a dozen sweepers because you're afraid of aggro, right? What happens when you run into Blue/Black Control or Solar Flare or Pristine Control? Or even Kessig, though Esper seems to curb stomp Kessig pretty good game one. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On December 25 2011 11:43 slyboogie wrote: So, that sounds untuned. Basically, you're running half a dozen sweepers because you're afraid of aggro, right? What happens when you run into Blue/Black Control or Solar Flare or Pristine Control? Or even Kessig, though Esper seems to curb stomp Kessig pretty good game one. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=272687 Well pristine control is just a bad deck. having surgical extractions in the side plus blue sun is also a blow out if the ever tap out. White sun is also a pretty big game as a one of in the main. The one of Elesh Norn and Unburial rights pretty much shuts down anything not primeval titan in Kessig. The only thing I would possibly change in my list is find room for a sword or batterskull. And Grave Titan might become a Frost titan, which also shuts down Kessig. actually I think the 4th snapcaster might be overkill so he might be the one dropped for the batterskull. Edit: Running all those board sweepers isn't untuned, it's correct meta-gaming. Considering UW humans, Tempered Steel, GW tokens, UW delver, UR delver, Mono Red, are all creature decks to some degree or another you need at least 3 sweepers main to even survive game one. and the 4th is alway in the side. I added the 5th out of personal preference because it lets you hit a boardsweeper more frequently. And with all the draw and counter magic you should be able to survive to double black. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Flare shits on you straight up. You will not beat it with just 2 Surgicals (especially Surgicals). Your match up against Red is also pretty terrible...along with Ilusion variants. Edit: And it's not correct metagaming. Anyone who takes a look at your mana base will just shake their head. 2 GQs with that mana distribution and spells? I also like how you think that running board sweepers means your match up against aggro will be somehow be "good" or even better. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On December 24 2011 22:14 MCMcEmcee wrote: got my playset of Snapcasters, finally i can play real decks *goes back to playing GW tokens* Me and two of my close friends have a collective card pool between us. Normally, we try to accumulate cards we need, and maybe buy a box or two a set. At present, we own 24 Snapcaster Mages. Though hoarding them was not my idea, I would be shocked if this card drops in value. | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On December 25 2011 23:59 Judicator wrote: The fact that you have a Black Sun's in Esper on top of Days means you have no clue what you are doing. Other signs include considering Grave Titans and Frost Titans (both are just no), Unburial Rites (just no), Batterskull (no). Your deck just looks like a mish-mash of control cards. Double Blue, Black, White along with a triple White and Blue with the mana base in standard? No thanks. Flare shits on you straight up. You will not beat it with just 2 Surgicals (especially Surgicals). Your match up against Red is also pretty terrible...along with Ilusion variants. Edit: And it's not correct metagaming. Anyone who takes a look at your mana base will just shake their head. 2 GQs with that mana distribution and spells? I also like how you think that running board sweepers means your match up against aggro will be somehow be "good" or even better. You sound like a friend of mine who likes to beat down other people's decks with little to no thought about actual match ups and just spews non sense about how bad the match up is against his deck. The fact is this deck is serious 5 to 6 cards different than that of the esper control list that was in the top 8 at Charolette. I could net deck but what benefit would i get from that when I get blown out from decks the people around me play and not the meta game of Charolette? Black sun and grave Titan are easily castable with the mana base and running three colors with the current lands in extremely stable if you know what hands to mulligan. You don't win every game by being better than the opponent, there's a great deal of luck, knowledge of the opponent and deck, and surprise or special tactics. Why do you think decks like four color control and tricks control did s well when they were first unveiled? Because they were great for the meta game and no one knew how to combat the deck. This is o different. Just sit down and test the deck before you bash it. I have yet to take it to fm due to building it this passed week but in cockatrice testing it has been extremely consistent and doesn't get "blown out". Check channel fireball and lsv's videos about it to see how well the deck actually functions. I have only seen the deck lose close games and win close games and that margin comes down to how good the pilot is just like any other control deck. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On December 26 2011 01:17 Durp wrote: Me and two of my close friends have a collective card pool between us. Normally, we try to accumulate cards we need, and maybe buy a box or two a set. At present, we own 24 Snapcaster Mages. Though hoarding them was not my idea, I would be shocked if this card drops in value. I have a small bet with a friend that Snapcaster will be banned in every format he's currently legal in before he rotates out of Standard. He has yes, I have no. I gave him 2.5 to 1. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3130 Posts
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