EPTNFL Season 2010 - Page 144
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
As someone who was hoping for a decent game, I'm disappointed. | ||
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lewik
United States16 Posts
still.. the cutler trade suddenly seems ridiculously bad... thanks Josh  | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On December 07 2010 12:44 lewik wrote: As a denver fan, i really can't blame McD for all of our suckage. Shanahan was a god-awful drafter who couldnt field a respectable defense to save his life. Josh honestly wasnt left with many pieces to build with... still.. the cutler trade suddenly seems ridiculously bad... thanks Josh Nah, he just dismantled the good part of the team, and then wasted what he had, which was two first round picks, two third round picks in his first year, and two first rounders in his second year. Then he wasted those first round picks again. It was far worse than Shannahan's drafting, which was horrendous. Name one piece on defense that he added to it, other than Dawkins. Everything that was good on that defense was drafted by, or acquired through trade/FA by Shannahan. Bailey, Dumervil, DJ Williams. Those were the best players on that D, and Shannahan was responsible for all of them. There's no excuse for what McFuckhead did. Still, it comes down to Bowlen making the wrong decision on which coach to hire. Had he gone with the more logical choice in Steve Spanuola (who is looking excellent, might I add), this team might be good. | ||
GTR
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DannyJ
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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Asshat
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On December 07 2010 12:44 lewik wrote: As a denver fan, i really can't blame McD for all of our suckage. Shanahan was a god-awful drafter who couldnt field a respectable defense to save his life. Josh honestly wasnt left with many pieces to build with... still.. the cutler trade suddenly seems ridiculously bad... thanks Josh Even the worst draft year of Shanahan can be considered a masterpiece compared to the 2009 draft. It's kinda hilarious when you think about it, the best player in the broncos 09 draft is currently playing for the Lions. The guy who they traded a 2010 first round pick to get last year. And let's look at Denver's offense before McDaniels assumed control. A NFL top 5 offensive line, for both the pass and the run. Today: an average line blocking for the homeless man's version of the patriot offense, nonexistent run game included. A QB on the verge of becoming part of the elite, running a fearsome passing game featuring Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal. TE Tony Scheffler was often injured but a beast when on the field, and Stokley made many clutch catches. Today: all of the above but Royal are gone. Released or traded away for peanuts. Replaced for the most part with old patriots castoffs, Brandon Lloyd admittedly a good find. Orton is having a career year, but chances are this won't be repeated again. Very inconsistent. A top 10 run game composed by a platoon of no-names, among them rookie fullback Peyton Hillis who barely played due to being buried on depth chart + injuries, but posted exceptional run + receiving numbers when given the chance. You could already tell back then that he'd be at worst a very good #2 RB. Today: The worst running offense in the league, led by Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, 32 year old former sidekick of Brian Westbrook, and ex-patriots bust Lawrence Maroney. Hillis was traded away for Brady Quinn in what was probably one of the most godawful deals of the decade. But other than that, not much is lost, maybe with proper coaching Moreno can be more than a fringe player and the glory days of the Broncos running game will return. The defense was a very pleasant surprise last year. But it's one of the oldest groups in the league, has a clear expiration date and is already one of the worst again this year, not much of an improvement over 08, but older. Dumervil will come back and who knows if he'll ever be the beast of the 2009 season ever again because before that he wasn't lights out either. But other than him the defense is made by a bunch of veterans on the twilight of their careers or castoffs. Top 20 draft pick Robert Ayers is nothing more than a role player at LB. Anyways, this wall of text can be summed up by saying that the Broncos are in ruins. They traded away their top tier of talent in offense, are not built for the future in D, and will likely be one of the worst teams in the AFC for at least a couple of years, if not more. The only thing that gives me hope for the future is the classy ownership they have. | ||
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us.insurgency
United States330 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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DannyJ
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GTR
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Sadist
United States7322 Posts
On December 07 2010 14:07 DannyJ wrote: Haha i had no idea Peyton Hillis was on the Broncos. That's a painful trade. That man is a beast they couldn't realize that? theres a rumor he either hit on or banged McDaniels wife ;D | ||
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Where was the Sanchize tonight? What, you can't make a 42 point comeback in the fourth quarter? | ||
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
On December 07 2010 13:13 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Nah, he just dismantled the good part of the team, and then wasted what he had, which was two first round picks, two third round picks in his first year, and two first rounders in his second year. Then he wasted those first round picks again. It was far worse than Shannahan's drafting, which was horrendous. Name one piece on defense that he added to it, other than Dawkins. Everything that was good on that defense was drafted by, or acquired through trade/FA by Shannahan. Bailey, Dumervil, DJ Williams. Those were the best players on that D, and Shannahan was responsible for all of them. There's no excuse for what McFuckhead did. Still, it comes down to Bowlen making the wrong decision on which coach to hire. Had he gone with the more logical choice in Steve Spanuola (who is looking excellent, might I add), this team might be good. As a Patriots fan I was not sad to see McDaniels go, despite the success the offense had while he was here. I have only watched maybe 2 Broncos games since he took over, but I saw every Pats game he put together an offense for and I can safely say it was good in spite of him, or at the very least not improved by his presence. He would always do cutesy shit, and his philosophy was at odds with Belichicks. Belichick has always gone by the motto of "get a bunch of guys that can do a few things well and put them in a position to do it." McDaniels would over scheme and force roles on people. We had arguably the best QB at reading defenses and making adjustments, a slot receiver who excelled on broken plays and bad match-ups, and Randy frickin Moss. McDaniels solution was to run a Martzesque heavily pre-planned "throw the ball to a spot" offense, and if things didn't go well early he would play ultra conservative football and lean on Brady's ability to avoid mistakes. He was miserable at getting the best out of players, and designed a fragile scheme that did a poor job of distributing responsibility among the talent he had. That being said I think he, like Martz, can excel if he's either given a shitload of talent, or given an offense that needs to be molded in someones image to have a prayer. Otherwise he's just an excellent QB coach biting off more than he can chew. Now Pioli leaving. That one was a kick in the nuts. | ||
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Volshok
United States349 Posts
On December 07 2010 13:13 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Nah, he just dismantled the good part of the team, and then wasted what he had, which was two first round picks, two third round picks in his first year, and two first rounders in his second year. Then he wasted those first round picks again. It was far worse than Shannahan's drafting, which was horrendous. Name one piece on defense that he added to it, other than Dawkins. Everything that was good on that defense was drafted by, or acquired through trade/FA by Shannahan. Bailey, Dumervil, DJ Williams. Those were the best players on that D, and Shannahan was responsible for all of them. There's no excuse for what McFuckhead did. Still, it comes down to Bowlen making the wrong decision on which coach to hire. Had he gone with the more logical choice in Steve Spanuola (who is looking excellent, might I add), this team might be good. McDaniel's drafting and trading felt like the first time I watched my mother make a fantasy team. "Oh I don't like the name "Andre Johnson", I'm going to give him away to someone else." As a Broncos fan this entire debacle has been brutal. Top tier QB, WR, and RB all thrown away for non nonsensical reasons. 90% of the players in the league have big egos, especially if they are producers, deal with it, don't fire them. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On December 07 2010 15:09 Volshok wrote: McDaniel's drafting and trading felt like the first time I watched my mother make a fantasy team. "Oh I don't like the name "Andre Johnson", I'm going to give him away to someone else." .... Yeah i asked my GF this week if i should play Sidney Rice or Nate Washington and she chose Washington because Sidney sounded "too much like a Jewish tailor". Women have something against certain names i guess. and man was she wrong.... | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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