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Lord_of_Chaos
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden372 Posts
March 07 2011 15:19 GMT
#421
Just got in to playing this, and apart from the little cutesie animations that only take annoying time here and there I'm starting to like it! Feels good with a new fresh pkmn game again

I noticed that they seem to be balancing experience. The higher level my pkmn is, the less experience they get. And reversed. As far as I understand that promotes using more pokemon in your team, to not waste too much exp.

I also for the first time ever read up on IV and EV and that stuff. I feel a I got a decent grasp of IV, but EV seems a bit harder. I hope you guys can answer a few questions about it:
If I catch two pokemon of the same species, and both are neutral personality, and they are caught on the same level, can I then immideately see who has the highest IV by just checking their visible stats?
Does it make a difference if a pokemon get's EV trained at a low level or a high level for its final stats?
If I train a pokemon normally, without considering EV, does it get about the same overall strength as a pokemon that has been specificly EV trained? Overall that is. Or is EV training only for boosting specific selected stats over others?
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
March 07 2011 15:32 GMT
#422
On March 08 2011 00:19 Lord_of_Chaos wrote:
If I catch two pokemon of the same species, and both are neutral personality, and they are caught on the same level, can I then immideately see who has the highest IV by just checking their visible stats?


Yes but there is a range. For example that level 33 with X attack might have an attack IV of 22-26. You can only tell if the pokemon is 100 (or around 100 for exact IV). Another way to find exact IV is to use a good calculator to find out its IV. Theres a calculator where you can save and then use rare candy, input that data, use rare candy, input that data, and then it will give you more accurate results (accurate meaning smaller range)

On March 08 2011 00:19 Lord_of_Chaos wrote:
Does it make a difference if a pokemon get's EV trained at a low level or a high level for its final stats?


No. Once your pokemon gets to 100, then it will all be the same.

On March 08 2011 00:19 Lord_of_Chaos wrote:
If I train a pokemon normally, without considering EV, does it get about the same overall strength as a pokemon that has been specificly EV trained?


EV pokemon is stronger but the stats add up to be the same. It is stronger in the sense in that there wont be useless stats in special attack when your pokemon is physical attacker and if you want your pokemon to be an attacker, having defense/hp/sp. defense might be unnecessary.

On March 08 2011 00:19 Lord_of_Chaos wrote:
Or is EV training only for boosting specific selected stats over others?

Definitely this. But keep in mind that if you put a number not divisible by 4 there will actually be less stats. For example, putting 3 on SpD and 3 on SpA give you no stats but putting 6 on SpA will give you 1 stat in SpA. Not that it really matters.
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Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 07 2011 15:44 GMT
#423
Ok, I just obliterated the last gym leader without dropping below 90% HP. Either this game is much easier then the others or I got some overpowered pokemon with me. Not a single fight was challenging, I hope it changes.

My team so far (victory road atm):

44 Samurott (Surf and starter, good stats)
45 Darmanitan (Completly broken, yet to see one pokemon that doesn't die in a hit. Stupid high attack, belly drum, trash, fire blitz and rest)
43 Cofagrigus (It's an OK ghost, but doesn't have a moveset I like, probably dropping this)
45 Liepard (Kinda boring, but hits hard and fast. Dropping this soon aswell)
46 Ferrothorn (This thing is a joke. If you don't have a strong fire move, it won't die. Ever. It's a brick wall with a very good ability and rocky helm equiped. Probably the reason this whole game is too easy, you shouldn't be able to catch it before Elite Four)
34 Rufflet (HM bitch. Cut, Fly and Strength)
EGM guides me
Lord_of_Chaos
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden372 Posts
March 07 2011 15:45 GMT
#424
Thanks a lot
fOrQQ
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Hong Kong321 Posts
March 07 2011 17:23 GMT
#425
On March 08 2011 00:44 Zozo wrote:
Ok, I just obliterated the last gym leader without dropping below 90% HP. Either this game is much easier then the others or I got some overpowered pokemon with me. Not a single fight was challenging, I hope it changes.

My team so far (victory road atm):

44 Samurott (Surf and starter, good stats)
45 Darmanitan (Completly broken, yet to see one pokemon that doesn't die in a hit. Stupid high attack, belly drum, trash, fire blitz and rest)
43 Cofagrigus (It's an OK ghost, but doesn't have a moveset I like, probably dropping this)
45 Liepard (Kinda boring, but hits hard and fast. Dropping this soon aswell)
46 Ferrothorn (This thing is a joke. If you don't have a strong fire move, it won't die. Ever. It's a brick wall with a very good ability and rocky helm equiped. Probably the reason this whole game is too easy, you shouldn't be able to catch it before Elite Four)
34 Rufflet (HM bitch. Cut, Fly and Strength)


The game gets significantly (at least noticeably) harder post-plot.
I found the final battles somewhat challenging, but that was probably due to my style (1 overleveled pokemon, 1-2 decently leveled, 3-4 underleveled)

Just got to Undella Bay, my core team (non-competitive, no legendaries) is:

70 Emboar (Fire/Fighting with Wild Charge [vs Water] and Head Smash [vs Flying]?) Sign me up!
68 Hydreigon (Well rounded overall, looks awesome)
65 Bisharp (Very fast, strong physical; Dark/Steel is a great combo)
52 Haxorus (Dragon verson of Bisharp lol)

Probably gonna add Electross (Elec type with Levitate? Awwww yeahhhh) and a Psychic type, any suggestions?

I feel like I'm missing a large part of the game by ignoring anything regarding IVs and EVs, is this true? Or is it only valuable in the competitive scene? (Only played Red + Gold before this, neither competitively)
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 17:30:44
March 07 2011 17:28 GMT
#426
I like Reuniclus for gen V Psychics. 125 Sp. Atk and 110 HP. Pretty nice. Sigilyph doesn't seem too bad if you don't mind the Flying hybrid. And there's always Victini, that Fire/Psychic event Pokemon.

Edit: Wow, Eelektross has Levitate? That seems kinda broken. I shoulda taught Smack Down to my Roggenrola after all >.>
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Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 17:35:34
March 07 2011 17:34 GMT
#427
On March 08 2011 02:28 Ferrose wrote:
I like Reuniclus for gen V Psychics. 125 Sp. Atk and 110 HP. Pretty nice. Sigilyph doesn't seem too bad if you don't mind the Flying hybrid. And there's always Victini, that Fire/Psychic event Pokemon.

Edit: Wow, Eelektross has Levitate? That seems kinda broken. I shoulda taught Smack Down to my Roggenrola after all >.>

Eelektross sucks aside from Levitate though. There are better electric pokemon, like the spider, or the zebra.

Reuniclus is a very good pokemon. I love it, especially with Trick Room since it has such low speed. Plus it looks cute. Bear inside some jelly? Yes please.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 07 2011 17:37 GMT
#428
On March 08 2011 02:34 Pvvned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 02:28 Ferrose wrote:
I like Reuniclus for gen V Psychics. 125 Sp. Atk and 110 HP. Pretty nice. Sigilyph doesn't seem too bad if you don't mind the Flying hybrid. And there's always Victini, that Fire/Psychic event Pokemon.

Edit: Wow, Eelektross has Levitate? That seems kinda broken. I shoulda taught Smack Down to my Roggenrola after all >.>

Eelektross sucks aside from Levitate though. There are better electric pokemon, like the spider, or the zebra.

Reuniclus is a very good pokemon. I love it, especially with Trick Room since it has such low speed. Plus it looks cute. Bear inside some jelly? Yes please.


I have the zebra, and I'm starting to hate him. He's incredibly fragile -_-

Is the spider any better?

Also, for everyone, Leavanny or Scolipede? I want a Bug Pokemon for when I finally open Black :x
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
fOrQQ
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Hong Kong321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 17:39:06
March 07 2011 17:38 GMT
#429
I don't like using Event/Legendaries (which is why I don't have Zoroark in my party), and another Fire type is kinda redundant for me
Unfortunately I have Black so no Reuniclus for me except for trading.
Sigilyph will have to do I guess, least it's relatively fast :D

Having never played 3rd or 4th gen, I'm overwhelmed with all the new pokemon I can get post-game lol...
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 07 2011 17:42 GMT
#430
On March 08 2011 02:38 fOrQQ wrote:
I don't like using Event/Legendaries (which is why I don't have Zoroark in my party), and another Fire type is kinda redundant for me
Unfortunately I have Black so no Reuniclus for me except for trading.
Sigilyph will have to do I guess, least it's relatively fast :D

Having never played 3rd or 4th gen, I'm overwhelmed with all the new pokemon I can get post-game lol...


I don't know quite how good Sigilyph is, but it's given me a lot of trouble. I tried to use Blitzle on it, and it basically got one shot since it has no Defense. Then Sigilyph's combo of Speed plus Psybeam was able to kill my Rocks before they could even get an attack off.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
fOrQQ
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Hong Kong321 Posts
March 07 2011 17:46 GMT
#431
On March 08 2011 02:34 Pvvned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 02:28 Ferrose wrote:
I like Reuniclus for gen V Psychics. 125 Sp. Atk and 110 HP. Pretty nice. Sigilyph doesn't seem too bad if you don't mind the Flying hybrid. And there's always Victini, that Fire/Psychic event Pokemon.

Edit: Wow, Eelektross has Levitate? That seems kinda broken. I shoulda taught Smack Down to my Roggenrola after all >.>

Eelektross sucks aside from Levitate though. There are better electric pokemon, like the spider, or the zebra.

Reuniclus is a very good pokemon. I love it, especially with Trick Room since it has such low speed. Plus it looks cute. Bear inside some jelly? Yes please.


How is the spider or zebra beter than electross? Other than speed, I don't see any particularly glaring flaws (I'm a competitive noob however).

On March 08 2011 02:37 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 02:34 Pvvned wrote:
On March 08 2011 02:28 Ferrose wrote:
I like Reuniclus for gen V Psychics. 125 Sp. Atk and 110 HP. Pretty nice. Sigilyph doesn't seem too bad if you don't mind the Flying hybrid. And there's always Victini, that Fire/Psychic event Pokemon.

Edit: Wow, Eelektross has Levitate? That seems kinda broken. I shoulda taught Smack Down to my Roggenrola after all >.>

Eelektross sucks aside from Levitate though. There are better electric pokemon, like the spider, or the zebra.

Reuniclus is a very good pokemon. I love it, especially with Trick Room since it has such low speed. Plus it looks cute. Bear inside some jelly? Yes please.


I have the zebra, and I'm starting to hate him. He's incredibly fragile -_-

Is the spider any better?

Also, for everyone, Leavanny or Scolipede? I want a Bug Pokemon for when I finally open Black :x


If you're willing to wait til post-game, try picking up Volcorona, that thing is a beast :O
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 18:13:34
March 07 2011 18:07 GMT
#432
The fire moth thing?

I love how Clay is like some Texas oil executive. And his gym is a mine.

Edit: Archen has like the WORST ability. Ever. -_-
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
fOrQQ
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Hong Kong321 Posts
March 07 2011 18:42 GMT
#433
Yeah, it seems pretty good imo (good specials and speed).

+ Show Spoiler +
You can get it in egg form or catch at a high level later post-game


Any suggestion for a decent water type (gen 5)? I'm kinda leaning between Seisimtoad or Jellicent. Not a lot of them in gen 5, so maybe I'll pick one up from previous gen..
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
March 07 2011 19:06 GMT
#434
I have Archen, Darumaka, and Lilligant at level 33s, past the fourth gym, and I just picked up Vanillite.

I've been raping pretty much everything.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 07 2011 19:41 GMT
#435
Muahahaha, beat Clay's Excadrill with my Drilbur, causing Drilbur to evolve into Excadrill.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
KaiserReinhard
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States554 Posts
March 07 2011 19:49 GMT
#436
My pal pad ID is 2580 2448 0688. Let us share wonderful pokemon adventures together.
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Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 20:11:41
March 07 2011 20:11 GMT
#437
On March 08 2011 02:23 fOrQQ wrote:
I feel like I'm missing a large part of the game by ignoring anything regarding IVs and EVs, is this true? Or is it only valuable in the competitive scene? (Only played Red + Gold before this, neither competitively)


Don't bother with IV and EV till you have access to all the areas, then choose a team and start breeding. You need to have control over the stuff you fight before leveling for the competitive part.
EGM guides me
fOrQQ
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Hong Kong321 Posts
March 07 2011 20:40 GMT
#438
On March 08 2011 05:11 Zozo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 02:23 fOrQQ wrote:
I feel like I'm missing a large part of the game by ignoring anything regarding IVs and EVs, is this true? Or is it only valuable in the competitive scene? (Only played Red + Gold before this, neither competitively)


Don't bother with IV and EV till you have access to all the areas, then choose a team and start breeding. You need to have control over the stuff you fight before leveling for the competitive part.


I see. I'm guessing its not too useful if I wanna just do random battles?


I'll post friend code when I get a chance.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 07 2011 20:52 GMT
#439
Omg, the second gym battle is a bitch.
I have the zebra, the grass monkey and my starter who just involved into some fat pig mother-fucker, ugliest shit in the world.

): Why do cute pokemon have to evolve into ugly shit.

Is it true Audino gives you a lot of exp? Some girl told me that on my way to the second gym leader.
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holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 21:16:44
March 07 2011 21:08 GMT
#440
On March 08 2011 05:52 Torte de Lini wrote:
Omg, the second gym battle is a bitch.
I have the zebra, the grass monkey and my starter who just involved into some fat pig mother-fucker, ugliest shit in the world.

): Why do cute pokemon have to evolve into ugly shit.

Is it true Audino gives you a lot of exp? Some girl told me that on my way to the second gym leader.


YES! Audino gives you a shit ton of exp. Just fought a lv 11 Audino with my lv 13 Lillipup and gained 686 EXP! It is ridiculous.

Edit: To fight Audinos over and over again, just walk around until a grass patch shakes. They give +2 HP EV's though =(
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