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Ympulse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States287 Posts
April 07 2011 08:09 GMT
#1861
Look at that, gimmick team gets rolled by a correctly setup team.

People in this thread need to stop QQing.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 08:13:33
April 07 2011 08:13 GMT
#1862
edit: huh how'd it repost ...
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 07 2011 08:17 GMT
#1863
Thats what I'm saying like, the only way to beat phoenix is if you have that well setup team and you have perfect execution of a snapback combo

I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip.

Glad combofiend won.
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Lrkr85
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines53 Posts
April 07 2011 09:41 GMT
#1864
Anyone watched the xanadu ranbat stream? An unknown player took it beating Ryry in the finals using chun/wesker/phoenix.
From the way it looked in the stream, almost everyone in the room was so upset. One guy was so eager to moneymatch the unknown after the finals (he did, and he lost).

Watching the wnf, I was thinking the same thing would happen when I saw clockwork getting to the grand finals.
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
April 07 2011 15:33 GMT
#1865
Are there some VOD of the last WNF? Can't seem to find them at http://gamescast.tv/live/levelupseries or http://www.justin.tv/offcast/videos .
Firebathero fanboy - It's not that i'm dumb i'm just controlled by a retarded infestor - Day[9]
strayzor
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany50 Posts
April 07 2011 15:47 GMT
#1866
http://www.justin.tv/leveluplive/b/283146239
Ympulse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States287 Posts
April 07 2011 16:02 GMT
#1867
On April 07 2011 17:17 Zlasher wrote:
Thats what I'm saying like, the only way to beat phoenix is if you have that well setup team and you have perfect execution of a snapback combo

I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip.

Glad combofiend won.

Clockwork's Doom and Ammy were also above par in terms of player skill. If he weren't running Phoenix anchor, he would have killed off the first two chars of his opponent's teams without much more additional effort. Phoenix is a gimmick char, but don't bash on a guy for using the tools at his disposal.
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
April 07 2011 16:22 GMT
#1868
Something to think about: If people want to assume on clockwork's skill level without phoenix, they should also think about how many options it opens up for his awesome Ammy and doom where he's free to use all the meter he makes.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
April 07 2011 16:27 GMT
#1869
On April 07 2011 17:17 Zlasher wrote:
Thats what I'm saying like, the only way to beat phoenix is if you have that well setup team and you have perfect execution of a snapback combo

I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip.

Glad combofiend won.


perfect execution of a snapback combo? you can hit confirm that shit, how is it necessary to have a perfectly executed snapback combo lol

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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
April 07 2011 16:34 GMT
#1870
On April 08 2011 01:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 17:17 Zlasher wrote:
Thats what I'm saying like, the only way to beat phoenix is if you have that well setup team and you have perfect execution of a snapback combo

I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip.

Glad combofiend won.


perfect execution of a snapback combo? you can hit confirm that shit, how is it necessary to have a perfectly executed snapback combo lol

LLMH WOW SO PERFECT


Lol, as long as you don't try Modok's snapback. Combofiend really laid down the law in that final set though, I definitely was not rooting for Clockwork there.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 07 2011 17:24 GMT
#1871
On April 08 2011 01:22 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Something to think about: If people want to assume on clockwork's skill level without phoenix, they should also think about how many options it opens up for his awesome Ammy and doom where he's free to use all the meter he makes.


yea, just having phoenix hog up 5 meters already limits his other two characters damage output. and who knows what 3rd clockwork would use if he decided not to play phoenix.

not to stir up more anti-phoenix talk (i would actually love her in mvc2/ more HP no dark phoenix) but some characters/teams/strategy basically go against what counter phoenix (snapping her in pre-5 meters). like certain characters don't have the option nor mobility to get in and land a snapback combo, let alone catch/fight phoenix when she's in. how many times have you seen an arthur or dorm land a snapback? some characters are stuck with the "kill other two characters and run away" option, which btw if a character basically forces you to run away for 30~70 seconds in a match, that is really fucking dumb (looks at TvC giants). just saying the phoenix fight sucks for keepaway/zoning -esque characters
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tegg
Profile Joined December 2008
United States33 Posts
April 07 2011 17:50 GMT
#1872
On April 07 2011 18:41 Lrkr85 wrote:
Anyone watched the xanadu ranbat stream? An unknown player took it beating Ryry in the finals using chun/wesker/phoenix.
From the way it looked in the stream, almost everyone in the room was so upset. One guy was so eager to moneymatch the unknown after the finals (he did, and he lost).

Watching the wnf, I was thinking the same thing would happen when I saw clockwork getting to the grand finals.


Yea those finals got me really irritated. Not because Unknown was winning, just that RyRy was so textbook about Phoenix, snapped her in a good 2-3 times per match, and couldn't close. I really hate that broad.

And yea lol people were super salty in the Xanbat room.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
April 07 2011 18:17 GMT
#1873
Also don't forget that well timed lvl 3 supers actually just kill pheonix (as well as skrulls elastic slam) and hsien ko with gold armor. LOL dark pheonix rising doesn't mean a thing to hsien ko, she's still going to be able to kill you through it.


also Doom/Ammy is the perfect team with pheonix, because both doom and ammy's supers are lackluster, so he's not actually missing out on anything by not using them.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 07 2011 19:10 GMT
#1874
On April 08 2011 01:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 17:17 Zlasher wrote:
Thats what I'm saying like, the only way to beat phoenix is if you have that well setup team and you have perfect execution of a snapback combo

I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip.

Glad combofiend won.


perfect execution of a snapback combo? you can hit confirm that shit, how is it necessary to have a perfectly executed snapback combo lol

LLMH WOW SO PERFECT


Because once you snap them in you need to continue the combo usually with zero bars because you're snapping them in every chance you get, then they just hard tag out when given the chance, because in the end, they know that with phoenix, facing 3 characters with 50% life is the same as 3 characters with 100% life so they don't give two shits about hard tagging in two ragdolls that soak up more super meter from chip.

If the argument is that its just as hard to gain 5 meters as phoenix as it is for the opponent to snap in and kill a phoenix before she has 5 bars, and then kill the next two characters, you guys are crazy.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 19:17:35
April 07 2011 19:16 GMT
#1875
On April 08 2011 04:10 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 01:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On April 07 2011 17:17 Zlasher wrote:
Thats what I'm saying like, the only way to beat phoenix is if you have that well setup team and you have perfect execution of a snapback combo

I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip.

Glad combofiend won.


perfect execution of a snapback combo? you can hit confirm that shit, how is it necessary to have a perfectly executed snapback combo lol

LLMH WOW SO PERFECT


Because once you snap them in you need to continue the combo usually with zero bars because you're snapping them in every chance you get, then they just hard tag out when given the chance, because in the end, they know that with phoenix, facing 3 characters with 50% life is the same as 3 characters with 100% life so they don't give two shits about hard tagging in two ragdolls that soak up more super meter from chip.

If the argument is that its just as hard to gain 5 meters as phoenix as it is for the opponent to snap in and kill a phoenix before she has 5 bars, and then kill the next two characters, you guys are crazy.

it's not difficult to eliminate a pheonix before dark pheonix, it's difficult to eliminate clockwork before dark pheonix.

clock has a ton of practice with pheonix, who spends their time practicing snap back into killng pheonix? probably only floe because of salt.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 07 2011 19:20 GMT
#1876
I'm not saying clock is bad, obviously he's a top notch player but part of the reason he can beat those guys is because he uses phoenix.

of course its hard to kill a snapped in phoenix but then you combine that with the fact its motherfucking clockwork controlling the phoenix, at some point it gets retarded.

It's like mass reaper build in TvZ back in the day. It's able to be stopped, but its retardedly hard, meanwhile its way easy on the terrans end to do it, but eventually you get to a high enough level that the best of players are controlling those reapers, and then it gets retarded.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
April 07 2011 19:31 GMT
#1877
On April 08 2011 04:20 Zlasher wrote:
I'm not saying clock is bad, obviously he's a top notch player but part of the reason he can beat those guys is because he uses phoenix.

of course its hard to kill a snapped in phoenix but then you combine that with the fact its motherfucking clockwork controlling the phoenix, at some point it gets retarded.

It's like mass reaper build in TvZ back in the day. It's able to be stopped, but its retardedly hard, meanwhile its way easy on the terrans end to do it, but eventually you get to a high enough level that the best of players are controlling those reapers, and then it gets retarded.


zergs were actually figuring out how to beat that mass reaper pretty consistantly (and not losing too much) right before it was patched. so probably not the best example.

but seriously no one sits there for hours working on ways to kill pheonix immediately after being snapped in, which is kind of a factor in how good pheonix is.

for instance, skrull, hsien ko, and captain america can beat dark pheonix super hard. but there are so few skrull's and cap americas, and hsien ko is hardly worth playing aside from the pheonix matchup.

skrull especially when he snaps in pheonix all he has to do is elastic slam heavy, and if pheonix touches a button she dies. if she doesn't you guys end up frame neutral. so that causes a scenerio where pheonix has to 50/50 to block or not press a button when snapped in vs skrull. if she blocks she dies to elastic slam + combo after, if she doesn't touch a button she dies to an attack.


there are a few characters that have situations like this that gives pheonix being snapped in a 50% chance of survival.
tegg
Profile Joined December 2008
United States33 Posts
April 07 2011 21:54 GMT
#1878
I don't really understand how Hsien-Ko and Cap are supposed to get a free win on a snapped in Phoenix, Skrull makes a bit more sense, and is definitely the most seen of those 3, but the others have to work way to hard to get in on her, snapback or no. Phoenix can tele, dive kick, or air dash as soon as she comes in so you don't really get a guaranteed mixup, even. Then she just runs away throwing orbs til she can hard tag.

PrinceXizor I'm not sure what you mean by a well-timed lvl3, do you mean as she is transforming? Because there is no recovery on Dark Phoenix Rising iirc.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 07 2011 21:55 GMT
#1879
There are videos of how if you activate akuma's level 3 grab super as phoenix changes to dark phoenix you 1hko her, since the grab super does over 400k damage
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tegg
Profile Joined December 2008
United States33 Posts
April 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#1880
Is that actually guaranteed? I remember seeing alot of those types, but didn't know Raging Demon was fast enough. Nice.
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