EPTPeople in this thread need to stop QQing.
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Ympulse
United States287 Posts
People in this thread need to stop QQing. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip. Glad combofiend won. | ||
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Lrkr85
Philippines53 Posts
From the way it looked in the stream, almost everyone in the room was so upset. One guy was so eager to moneymatch the unknown after the finals (he did, and he lost). Watching the wnf, I was thinking the same thing would happen when I saw clockwork getting to the grand finals. | ||
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Squallcloud
France466 Posts
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strayzor
Germany50 Posts
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Ympulse
United States287 Posts
On April 07 2011 17:17 Zlasher wrote: Thats what I'm saying like, the only way to beat phoenix is if you have that well setup team and you have perfect execution of a snapback combo I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip. Glad combofiend won. Clockwork's Doom and Ammy were also above par in terms of player skill. If he weren't running Phoenix anchor, he would have killed off the first two chars of his opponent's teams without much more additional effort. Phoenix is a gimmick char, but don't bash on a guy for using the tools at his disposal. | ||
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 07 2011 17:17 Zlasher wrote: Thats what I'm saying like, the only way to beat phoenix is if you have that well setup team and you have perfect execution of a snapback combo I just think its stupid that like, its so much harder to snap in phoenix and kill her before she gets 5 bars, than it is for a phoenix player to play like a bitch and just get 5 bars from taking chip. Glad combofiend won. perfect execution of a snapback combo? you can hit confirm that shit, how is it necessary to have a perfectly executed snapback combo lol LLMH WOW SO PERFECT | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
On April 08 2011 01:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: perfect execution of a snapback combo? you can hit confirm that shit, how is it necessary to have a perfectly executed snapback combo lol LLMH WOW SO PERFECT Lol, as long as you don't try Modok's snapback. Combofiend really laid down the law in that final set though, I definitely was not rooting for Clockwork there. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On April 08 2011 01:22 myrmidon2537 wrote: Something to think about: If people want to assume on clockwork's skill level without phoenix, they should also think about how many options it opens up for his awesome Ammy and doom where he's free to use all the meter he makes. yea, just having phoenix hog up 5 meters already limits his other two characters damage output. and who knows what 3rd clockwork would use if he decided not to play phoenix. not to stir up more anti-phoenix talk (i would actually love her in mvc2/ more HP no dark phoenix) but some characters/teams/strategy basically go against what counter phoenix (snapping her in pre-5 meters). like certain characters don't have the option nor mobility to get in and land a snapback combo, let alone catch/fight phoenix when she's in. how many times have you seen an arthur or dorm land a snapback? some characters are stuck with the "kill other two characters and run away" option, which btw if a character basically forces you to run away for 30~70 seconds in a match, that is really fucking dumb (looks at TvC giants). just saying the phoenix fight sucks for keepaway/zoning -esque characters | ||
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tegg
United States33 Posts
On April 07 2011 18:41 Lrkr85 wrote: Anyone watched the xanadu ranbat stream? An unknown player took it beating Ryry in the finals using chun/wesker/phoenix. From the way it looked in the stream, almost everyone in the room was so upset. One guy was so eager to moneymatch the unknown after the finals (he did, and he lost). Watching the wnf, I was thinking the same thing would happen when I saw clockwork getting to the grand finals. Yea those finals got me really irritated. Not because Unknown was winning, just that RyRy was so textbook about Phoenix, snapped her in a good 2-3 times per match, and couldn't close. I really hate that broad. And yea lol people were super salty in the Xanbat room. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
also Doom/Ammy is the perfect team with pheonix, because both doom and ammy's supers are lackluster, so he's not actually missing out on anything by not using them. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On April 08 2011 01:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: perfect execution of a snapback combo? you can hit confirm that shit, how is it necessary to have a perfectly executed snapback combo lol LLMH WOW SO PERFECT Because once you snap them in you need to continue the combo usually with zero bars because you're snapping them in every chance you get, then they just hard tag out when given the chance, because in the end, they know that with phoenix, facing 3 characters with 50% life is the same as 3 characters with 100% life so they don't give two shits about hard tagging in two ragdolls that soak up more super meter from chip. If the argument is that its just as hard to gain 5 meters as phoenix as it is for the opponent to snap in and kill a phoenix before she has 5 bars, and then kill the next two characters, you guys are crazy. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On April 08 2011 04:10 Zlasher wrote: Because once you snap them in you need to continue the combo usually with zero bars because you're snapping them in every chance you get, then they just hard tag out when given the chance, because in the end, they know that with phoenix, facing 3 characters with 50% life is the same as 3 characters with 100% life so they don't give two shits about hard tagging in two ragdolls that soak up more super meter from chip. If the argument is that its just as hard to gain 5 meters as phoenix as it is for the opponent to snap in and kill a phoenix before she has 5 bars, and then kill the next two characters, you guys are crazy. it's not difficult to eliminate a pheonix before dark pheonix, it's difficult to eliminate clockwork before dark pheonix. clock has a ton of practice with pheonix, who spends their time practicing snap back into killng pheonix? probably only floe because of salt. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
of course its hard to kill a snapped in phoenix but then you combine that with the fact its motherfucking clockwork controlling the phoenix, at some point it gets retarded. It's like mass reaper build in TvZ back in the day. It's able to be stopped, but its retardedly hard, meanwhile its way easy on the terrans end to do it, but eventually you get to a high enough level that the best of players are controlling those reapers, and then it gets retarded. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On April 08 2011 04:20 Zlasher wrote: I'm not saying clock is bad, obviously he's a top notch player but part of the reason he can beat those guys is because he uses phoenix. of course its hard to kill a snapped in phoenix but then you combine that with the fact its motherfucking clockwork controlling the phoenix, at some point it gets retarded. It's like mass reaper build in TvZ back in the day. It's able to be stopped, but its retardedly hard, meanwhile its way easy on the terrans end to do it, but eventually you get to a high enough level that the best of players are controlling those reapers, and then it gets retarded. zergs were actually figuring out how to beat that mass reaper pretty consistantly (and not losing too much) right before it was patched. so probably not the best example. but seriously no one sits there for hours working on ways to kill pheonix immediately after being snapped in, which is kind of a factor in how good pheonix is. for instance, skrull, hsien ko, and captain america can beat dark pheonix super hard. but there are so few skrull's and cap americas, and hsien ko is hardly worth playing aside from the pheonix matchup. skrull especially when he snaps in pheonix all he has to do is elastic slam heavy, and if pheonix touches a button she dies. if she doesn't you guys end up frame neutral. so that causes a scenerio where pheonix has to 50/50 to block or not press a button when snapped in vs skrull. if she blocks she dies to elastic slam + combo after, if she doesn't touch a button she dies to an attack. there are a few characters that have situations like this that gives pheonix being snapped in a 50% chance of survival. | ||
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tegg
United States33 Posts
PrinceXizor I'm not sure what you mean by a well-timed lvl3, do you mean as she is transforming? Because there is no recovery on Dark Phoenix Rising iirc. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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tegg
United States33 Posts
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