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zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
March 31 2011 06:16 GMT
#1761
ROFL @ NOEL PUNCH

other guy sounds like a tool tho
some ppl just need to get decked sometimes and learn a lil humility :D
its me, tasteless,s roomate LOL!
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 31 2011 06:43 GMT
#1762
Was that 4 bars and an xfactor cancel? That should do liek 1.5m every time.

Can you do 1m without xfactor?
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 06:57:23
March 31 2011 06:57 GMT
#1763
On March 31 2011 15:43 Zlasher wrote:
Was that 4 bars and an xfactor cancel? That should do liek 1.5m every time.

Can you do 1m without xfactor?


viper can do 1 mil without xfactor if you use a reset setup. or if you get someone into an annoying semi-loop of her lightning kick + tenderizer assist thing. (it's annoying if spaced right). one is situational and the other unreliable however.

she still can control the fight super well though.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
March 31 2011 07:31 GMT
#1764
^that video is kinda lame though. most chars can do 1mil with xfactor np.

the random cviper thing that made me laugh was killing a char with viper, calling dante assist as the next comes in to force it to block and charge your focus so its level 3 when the dante jam session wears off.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 31 2011 07:46 GMT
#1765
Thats my point, people are like YEAH LOOK SHE CAN DO 100% WITH NO DHC, well shit you're using 4 bars and xfactor who CAN'T do 100% with that...

anyways, justin wong just 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0'd tatsu in super with Adon

Then bodied everyone in Marvel 3 as usual

Another wednesday in the life of jwong?
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sighco17
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia47 Posts
March 31 2011 15:32 GMT
#1766
On March 31 2011 05:08 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 05:02 sighco17 wrote:
Seem's that pretty much Marn and Jwong are the best just as they were in SF4/SSF4. Oh filipino champ is pretty good too. Man I swear Justin wong is on another fuckin level. That kid i dont care what anyone sez (oh another Jwong ass licker) is probably only behind daigo when it comes to being a living legend at fighting games. He has sick read's and literally know's the mechanics and weaknesses of every character in any game he plays.

I mean honestly he has won WNF's everytime he has been in the finals, Floe is freekin good player man, but you compare Floe to Jwong and you can even see in one of the final's of a WNF, JWONG literally just having fun in the game using a level 3 for no reason knowing it probably won't hit. JWONG IS BROKEN. Put Daigo aside, Jwong is the slayers boxer of the fighting game community, as daigo pretty much is a street fighter only player.

Saw an interview with all the top players (Jwong, Ricky Ortiz, Filipino Champ, Marn etc) and they reckon when SSF4:AE comes out thats gonna be it for MVC3. I'd probably have to agree, MVC3 is such a broken game with X-Factor.

What do you think? It doesn't seem the competitive factor for MVC3 is there as it was for SF4/SSF4, it's like people are only playing it because its the new game out and alot of tournaments, but yea IF Arcade Edition comes out I think it'll be the end of MVC3 , maybe not the end but no-one is gonna practice for it.


Marn and Justin were never top 2 in Vanilla/SSF4 lol, Justin has alwasy been at or around the top but more recently fell from any top 2 arguments, but Marn? ehhhhh.

Champ didn't do anything that seemed very special in Marvel either, from the matches at final round, and he said he's not gonna practice it much and just focus on street fighter. Champ is a good SF4 player but not a legend in fighting games considering this is the only game he's been good at.

When AE is DLC it'll just be split, it won't kill off marvel 3 at all.

What do I think? I think you're a pretty advanced troll, maybe level 7 troll, but come on, thats like saying Bisu is the greatest player of all time, and that Flash, Nada, and Jaedong are nobodies, and that Hydra is a living legend lol.

Get some history lessons before talking about legends dude.


So when did I ever mention that FChamp was a legend? or Marn?. I never did, you assumed that.

I said when it comes to Justin Wong he is probably outside of Japan one of the best if not the best player in history? Here's some results to back my claim up. Courtesy of wikipedia, and not to mention every other tournament he wins that isn't 'big' such as WNF's no1 can touch him at WNF's he has won what? 8 in a row now every week?

Marvel vs. Capcom 2

Evolution (2001) - 1st
Evolution (2002) - 1st
Evolution (2003) - 1st
Evolution (2004) - 1st
Evolution (2006) - 1st
Evolution (2007) - 2nd
Evolution (2008) - 1st
Evolution (2009) - 2nd
Evolution (2010) - 1st

Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike

Evolution (2005) - 2nd
Evolution (2008) - 2nd
Evolution (2009) - 2nd (2v2 with Issei Suzuki)

Capcom vs SNK 2

Evolution (2007) - 3rd

Street Fighter IV

Evolution (2009) - 2nd
Evolution (2009) - 1st (5v5 Team East Coast)

Super Street Fighter IV

Canada Cup (2011) - 2nd
Canada Cup (2011) - 1st (3v3 Teams)

Tatsunoko vs Capcom

Evolution (2010) - 3rd

Marvel vs Capcom 3

Canada Cup (2011) - 1st
Canada Cup (2011) - 1st (3v3 Teams)

Show me that combofiend has better results than this? or anyone else for that matter? Perhap's Ryan Hart may be the only other player who can compare.

Sorry dude but beating daigo is not easy, and the four people who have beat daigo on numerous occasions are Marn, Jwong, Ricky Ortiz and FChamp.

So if Marn and Justin were never top 2, please tell me who was? Because you always hear on stream skisonic, ultradavid, james chen referring to Marn , Jwong, Ricky or Fchamp as the best in the country (U.S).

I do believe combofiend attends the WNF's does he not? Doesn't seem like he own's Jwong there?

The EG.JustinWong and the EG.Ricky Ortiz speak for itself, Marn used to be EG Also. Don't see anyone else sponsored by a reputable organization in the fighting game community. Yea you have your DMG, TTC, Empire Arcadia , but they are nothing compared to EG.

People should know when they are conquered
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 15:55:47
March 31 2011 15:54 GMT
#1767
I'm as much a Wongtard as the next guy, and yes he's a goddamn great player. But definitely not our version of Boxer, that shit is reserved for Watson, Choi, Valle, Daigo, Nuki, and others like them. (well, in a capcom sense at least)

Besides, "Fighting game community" will be sad that you ignore Tekken, GG and to an extent I guess you can count VF there too.

You can say that Justin is the "Boxer-x-Flash" of Marvel-2, and it looks that way for 3, but you're pushing it with a big blanket to cover with your statement. Boxer's legacy is in his influence on how the game is played after him, given that, despite his results, he never did influence TvC (that can be reserved for marn) 3rd Strike (Japan-dominated, can't really ignore that regardless if "they only play Street fighter"), CvS2 (Probably BAS? A-groove changed everything), Super Turbo (for obvious reasons) and he's dropping off major SSF4 tourneys, it hurts my head (because I know damn well he can do better)

So yeah, poor analogy. Boxer did post good results, but you're totally way off with how you're comparing him with Justin, and you're trying to cover so much ground with that one analogy. As I said, you're better off just limiting it to Marvel 2 and 3 and not "whole FG community"
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
sighco17
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia47 Posts
March 31 2011 16:06 GMT
#1768
On April 01 2011 00:54 myrmidon2537 wrote:
I'm as much a Wongtard as the next guy, and yes he's a goddamn great player. But definitely not our version of Boxer, that shit is reserved for Watson, Choi, Valle, Daigo, Nuki, and others like them. (well, in a capcom sense at least)

Besides, "Fighting game community" will be sad that you ignore Tekken, GG and to an extent I guess you can count VF there too.

You can say that Justin is the "Boxer-x-Flash" of Marvel-2, and it looks that way for 3, but you're pushing it with a big blanket to cover with your statement. Boxer's legacy is in his influence on how the game is played after him, given that, despite his results, he never did influence TvC (that can be reserved for marn) 3rd Strike (Japan-dominated, can't really ignore that regardless if "they only play Street fighter"), CvS2 (Probably BAS? A-groove changed everything), Super Turbo (for obvious reasons) and he's dropping off major SSF4 tourneys, it hurts my head (because I know damn well he can do better)

So yeah, poor analogy. Boxer did post good results, but you're totally way off with how you're comparing him with Justin, and you're trying to cover so much ground with that one analogy. As I said, you're better off just limiting it to Marvel 2 and 3 and not "whole FG community"


I agree with some of your point's. Can't forget it was Justin who pretty much blew up the street fighter scene with his gamescon win. I mean back in the day, they used to ban him from even participating in tournaments because they knew he would win. And that's part the reason why people have this slight dislike towards Justin because pretty much every tournament in the last few years, he has been a top contender leaning more towards the winning side.

Gotta agree you do get sick and tired of seeing the same person win all the time, but that speaks for itself. That's why you always see people rooting for the underdog so hard vs Justin.

And what I was trying to get at was, his mechanics and overall knowledge of fighting games is probably best next to none based on results in the US.

As they say your only as good as who you train with, he trains with the countries best. Not to mention when the Japanese come over (Gamerbee, Tokido etc, they all chill with Marn and Ricky etc.) As seen at Final Round Tokido was chilling with FChamp, Ricky.
People should know when they are conquered
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
March 31 2011 16:15 GMT
#1769
I think if Combo actually put in enough time and adapted the same mentality as justin, he'd dominate just as well. They're two of the most creative and versatile players with awesome game knowledge and play/dominate lots of different games. its just that, relatively speaking, Combo plays more for fun (I know justin does play for fun a lot too, and I know playing to win is also fun but still, that's why I said relatively although I guess you'll all understand what I mean by that ) than Justin does.

Based on mechanics, Ricky would give justin a run for his money, he's that solid mechanic-wise, but justin is more clutch than ricky at certain times. Ricky's long overdue for an EVO win. I hope he gets his Choi moment.

What makes justin "justin" is his application of the most simple knowledge and making it work. Unless there's a big mismatch in skill, you only beat justin if you beat him in his mind games, which is pretty damn hard.
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 16:27:49
March 31 2011 16:27 GMT
#1770
On April 01 2011 00:32 sighco17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 05:08 Zlasher wrote:
On March 31 2011 05:02 sighco17 wrote:
Seem's that pretty much Marn and Jwong are the best just as they were in SF4/SSF4. Oh filipino champ is pretty good too. Man I swear Justin wong is on another fuckin level. That kid i dont care what anyone sez (oh another Jwong ass licker) is probably only behind daigo when it comes to being a living legend at fighting games. He has sick read's and literally know's the mechanics and weaknesses of every character in any game he plays.

I mean honestly he has won WNF's everytime he has been in the finals, Floe is freekin good player man, but you compare Floe to Jwong and you can even see in one of the final's of a WNF, JWONG literally just having fun in the game using a level 3 for no reason knowing it probably won't hit. JWONG IS BROKEN. Put Daigo aside, Jwong is the slayers boxer of the fighting game community, as daigo pretty much is a street fighter only player.

Saw an interview with all the top players (Jwong, Ricky Ortiz, Filipino Champ, Marn etc) and they reckon when SSF4:AE comes out thats gonna be it for MVC3. I'd probably have to agree, MVC3 is such a broken game with X-Factor.

What do you think? It doesn't seem the competitive factor for MVC3 is there as it was for SF4/SSF4, it's like people are only playing it because its the new game out and alot of tournaments, but yea IF Arcade Edition comes out I think it'll be the end of MVC3 , maybe not the end but no-one is gonna practice for it.


Marn and Justin were never top 2 in Vanilla/SSF4 lol, Justin has alwasy been at or around the top but more recently fell from any top 2 arguments, but Marn? ehhhhh.

Champ didn't do anything that seemed very special in Marvel either, from the matches at final round, and he said he's not gonna practice it much and just focus on street fighter. Champ is a good SF4 player but not a legend in fighting games considering this is the only game he's been good at.

When AE is DLC it'll just be split, it won't kill off marvel 3 at all.

What do I think? I think you're a pretty advanced troll, maybe level 7 troll, but come on, thats like saying Bisu is the greatest player of all time, and that Flash, Nada, and Jaedong are nobodies, and that Hydra is a living legend lol.

Get some history lessons before talking about legends dude.


So when did I ever mention that FChamp was a legend? or Marn?. I never did, you assumed that.

I said when it comes to Justin Wong he is probably outside of Japan one of the best if not the best player in history? Here's some results to back my claim up. Courtesy of wikipedia, and not to mention every other tournament he wins that isn't 'big' such as WNF's no1 can touch him at WNF's he has won what? 8 in a row now every week?

Marvel vs. Capcom 2

Evolution (2001) - 1st
Evolution (2002) - 1st
Evolution (2003) - 1st
Evolution (2004) - 1st
Evolution (2006) - 1st
Evolution (2007) - 2nd
Evolution (2008) - 1st
Evolution (2009) - 2nd
Evolution (2010) - 1st

Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike

Evolution (2005) - 2nd
Evolution (2008) - 2nd
Evolution (2009) - 2nd (2v2 with Issei Suzuki)

Capcom vs SNK 2

Evolution (2007) - 3rd

Street Fighter IV

Evolution (2009) - 2nd
Evolution (2009) - 1st (5v5 Team East Coast)

Super Street Fighter IV

Canada Cup (2011) - 2nd
Canada Cup (2011) - 1st (3v3 Teams)

Tatsunoko vs Capcom

Evolution (2010) - 3rd

Marvel vs Capcom 3

Canada Cup (2011) - 1st
Canada Cup (2011) - 1st (3v3 Teams)

Show me that combofiend has better results than this? or anyone else for that matter? Perhap's Ryan Hart may be the only other player who can compare.

Sorry dude but beating daigo is not easy, and the four people who have beat daigo on numerous occasions are Marn, Jwong, Ricky Ortiz and FChamp.

So if Marn and Justin were never top 2, please tell me who was? Because you always hear on stream skisonic, ultradavid, james chen referring to Marn , Jwong, Ricky or Fchamp as the best in the country (U.S).

I do believe combofiend attends the WNF's does he not? Doesn't seem like he own's Jwong there?

The EG.JustinWong and the EG.Ricky Ortiz speak for itself, Marn used to be EG Also. Don't see anyone else sponsored by a reputable organization in the fighting game community. Yea you have your DMG, TTC, Empire Arcadia , but they are nothing compared to EG.



Then you just worded it terribly in the original post

Also why are you trying to give history lessons to us when you back your shit up with wikipedia? We know what Wong's accomplishments are. It's as if you've been following fighting games for 3 weeks and are trying to sound like you've been doing it for 10 years
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 31 2011 16:29 GMT
#1771
Also: Others on justin wong's level in terms of "legends" are more like john choi, alex valle, nuki, even tokido, sako, mago. Theres a ton of them.

Justin isn't the Boxer of american fighters, he's more the Nada or Jaedong of Flash if anything.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 31 2011 16:31 GMT
#1772
i cant find a single assist besides chun's that lets me OTG into hyper with chris midscreen
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 31 2011 16:34 GMT
#1773
can gustaf fire not do that as well? It sorta has the same properties, except it hits the opponent up a bit higher than lightning legs i guess
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myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
March 31 2011 16:35 GMT
#1774
Also, He placed first with Issei on that 2v2. That was the year he was gunning for the "triple evo crown" but only got 3s (hell, why wouldn't he, Issei is godlike at 3s, a legit SBO threat) and placed second at marvel (after being up 2-0 vs sanford) and at SFIV to Daigo
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 31 2011 16:37 GMT
#1775
On April 01 2011 01:34 Zlasher wrote:
can gustaf fire not do that as well? It sorta has the same properties, except it hits the opponent up a bit higher than lightning legs i guess


no, chris's gun OTG doesnt bounce them high enough to connect with gustaff flame
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 16:47:01
March 31 2011 16:41 GMT
#1776
justin plays GGAC/t6 a bit. he uses ez-mode chars though (jack/potemkin). he also got evo2k9 1st in 3S. but that doesn't count cuz he had issei!!! (btw i miss issei coming to EC tournaments and giving out 3s tips like candy on Halloween. hope he's been alright since the tsunami)

steve: try mag HG, dorm's dark hole, dante jam session.
there's more assists than those but those 3 just seem to pop up in my head easier

On April 01 2011 01:43 myrmidon2537 wrote:
Yeah I know that, hell justin plays smash too ) (And i'm sure he's playing WWE Allstars as well, the hype they had during this last WNF got me interested on how these guys play it)


wtf lol
Forever Young
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
March 31 2011 16:43 GMT
#1777
Yeah I know that, hell justin plays smash too ) (And i'm sure he's playing WWE Allstars as well, the hype they had during this last WNF got me interested on how these guys play it)
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 31 2011 16:44 GMT
#1778
On April 01 2011 01:41 sung_moon wrote:
justin plays GGAC/t6 a bit. he uses ez-mode chars though (jack/potemkin). he also got evo2k9 1st in 3S. but that doesn't count cuz he had issei!!! (btw i miss issei coming to EC tournaments and giving out 3s tips like candy on Halloween. hope he's been alright since the tsunami)

steve: try mag HG, dorm's dark hole, dante jam session.


haven't tried mag assist, dark hole doesn't reach, and there is no way i'm playing dante hahaha
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 31 2011 17:05 GMT
#1779
On April 01 2011 01:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 01:41 sung_moon wrote:
justin plays GGAC/t6 a bit. he uses ez-mode chars though (jack/potemkin). he also got evo2k9 1st in 3S. but that doesn't count cuz he had issei!!! (btw i miss issei coming to EC tournaments and giving out 3s tips like candy on Halloween. hope he's been alright since the tsunami)

steve: try mag HG, dorm's dark hole, dante jam session.


haven't tried mag assist, dark hole doesn't reach, and there is no way i'm playing dante hahaha

what about Stonesmite? or have you used a wall bounce already?
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 31 2011 19:08 GMT
#1780
On April 01 2011 01:37 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 01:34 Zlasher wrote:
can gustaf fire not do that as well? It sorta has the same properties, except it hits the opponent up a bit higher than lightning legs i guess


no, chris's gun OTG doesnt bounce them high enough to connect with gustaff flame


How about Wesker's pea shooter? Or Dormington's Purification column thingy
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