Does anyone else get 150ms or so of consistent lag when playing online? I'm on PSN and it's reaaaaaally making everything a shit ton harder to execute.

Also I dunno if anyone's posted it yet but i just thought of team starcraft (Thor, Storm, Phoenix).
Lol.

DrBoo

Canada1177 Posts

February 16 2011 19:17 GMT

#484

yeah there's a lot of lag on the online play I think it makes it worse by not being able to see how many bars your opponent has so you can only play 5 bar matchs :\

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

February 16 2011 20:22 GMT

#485

Juicebox Abel, one of the best american SSF4 players wrote this lol

"JuiceboxAbel Juicebox Abel
I can't think of a good reason not to put Sentinel on every team. This is bad, I kinda hope he gets nerfed at some point."

Thats my point, theres not really a good reason to NOT have sentinel on your team which is why he's broken.

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

February 16 2011 20:24 GMT

#486

On February 16 2011 17:04 TieN.nS) wrote:

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zz every game would time out. Should just be an option to disable X-Factor (or take away the damage boost and leave in movement speed/red health regeneration).

Look, I've seen games averaging out to ending by th 60 or 70 second mark. I don't think time outs will happen even 50% of the games if this happened.

shwaffles

United States117 Posts

February 16 2011 20:46 GMT

#487

On February 17 2011 05:22 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Juicebox Abel, one of the best american SSF4 players wrote this lol

"JuiceboxAbel Juicebox Abel
I can't think of a good reason not to put Sentinel on every team. This is bad, I kinda hope he gets nerfed at some point."

Thats my point, theres not really a good reason to NOT have sentinel on your team which is why he's broken.

Again compared to MvC2 sentinel has been nerfed pretty hard. There are a lot characters now that can deal with sentinel, a couple examples are Trish runaway, Dante teleport, and hell even Arthur can keep up with sentinel in a zoning match. The game needs to evolve first, crying "broken nerf plz" is just going to make the game more boring (SF4).

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

February 16 2011 21:01 GMT

#488

I don't see how thats an argument though "Oh he got nerfed enough from MvC2" Well obviously he did but MvC2 wasn't a balanced game, there were 5-6 viable characters and 40 or 50 something that were useless. I'm not saying he's broken I'm saying he's overpowered as fuck because right now he IS the strongest and theres no real way to argue it.

You want to make an imaginary tier list? In MvC2 what was it, Sentinel, Storm, Magneto, Psylocke, Commando, Doom maybe at S, and a bunch of fails that are useless

In MvC3 right now its looking like Sentinel is S, everyone else is A. Everyones viable but Sentinel ACTUALLY stands out in a game where everyone else is on pretty even keel.

Irrelevant

United States2364 Posts

February 16 2011 21:03 GMT

#489

Been wrecking sent players with Amaterasu, your standing is lower than his lowest beam and you can play keep away twice as good and charge in when you want to rush him

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

February 16 2011 21:07 GMT

#490

Ok....so maybe I'm arguing against people that think Sentinel is OP because of his spitting attack? Thats not the concern whatsoever for high level players. So just because you all beat a sentinel by out projectiling him doesn't mean sentinel can be stopped, it means you stopped someone who's spamming the laser beam.

Phrost

United States4008 Posts

February 16 2011 21:10 GMT

#491

On February 17 2011 06:07 ZlaSHeR wrote: who's spamming the laser beam.

You called me?

I wish I was half as good at fighting games as i am at RTS and MOBA's lol.

Zlasher

United States9129 Posts

February 16 2011 21:19 GMT

#492

I guess my point is, saying you stopped a beam spamming sentinel would be like a gold league player talking about pro-level balance. Whats the point?

shwaffles

United States117 Posts

February 16 2011 21:25 GMT

#493

On February 17 2011 06:01 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I don't see how thats an argument though "Oh he got nerfed enough from MvC2" Well obviously he did but MvC2 wasn't a balanced game, there were 5-6 viable characters and 40 or 50 something that were useless. I'm not saying he's broken I'm saying he's overpowered as fuck because right now he IS the strongest and theres no real way to argue it.

You want to make an imaginary tier list? In MvC2 what was it, Sentinel, Storm, Magneto, Psylocke, Commando, Doom maybe at S, and a bunch of fails that are useless

In MvC3 right now its looking like Sentinel is S, everyone else is A. Everyones viable but Sentinel ACTUALLY stands out in a game where everyone else is on pretty even keel.

Yes, because nerfing everything to the ground a couple days after the game being released is good /sarcasm. For example, back in the early days of MvC2, Iceman was considered high tier but when the game EVOLVED (<--- keyword), iceman barely made it into middle tier.

EDIT:
Psylocke, commando, and doom are not in S tier they are only good because of their assist, again instead of figuring how to beat sentinel you just whine. I certainly know that I'm not a very good player and I'm assuming you aren't Sanford or Yipes, so unless your a top player, sentinel shouldn't be your problem. LESS QQ AND MOAR PEWPEW.

/rant

Irrelevant

United States2364 Posts

February 16 2011 21:27 GMT

#494

Oh wells I haven't seen a single Sent player that has done otherwise, but I'm only playing 5th lords so probably not the best people to judge on game balance, my bad

101toss

3232 Posts

February 16 2011 21:35 GMT

#495

On February 17 2011 06:01 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I don't see how thats an argument though "Oh he got nerfed enough from MvC2" Well obviously he did but MvC2 wasn't a balanced game, there were 5-6 viable characters and 40 or 50 something that were useless. I'm not saying he's broken I'm saying he's overpowered as fuck because right now he IS the strongest and theres no real way to argue it.

You want to make an imaginary tier list? In MvC2 what was it, Sentinel, Storm, Magneto, Psylocke, Commando, Doom maybe at S, and a bunch of fails that are useless

I thought Cable was the most broken mvc2 character lol

shwaffles

United States117 Posts

February 16 2011 21:45 GMT

#496

On February 17 2011 06:35 101toss wrote:

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I thought Cable was the most broken mvc2 character lol

He isn't. In fact in a 1v1 cable is barely middle tier, he only makes it into god tier because on a team he can just:
cable assist -> "HYPER VIPER! HYPER VIPER! HYPER VIPER!" -> win

oh and play a good keep away with the right assists (captain commando, cyclops, ect).

SayaSP

Laos5494 Posts

February 16 2011 21:54 GMT

#497

If you guys feel like it remember to hit up the new gamertag directory thing. Could be useful to have everyones tags handy or whatever.

shwaffles

United States117 Posts

February 16 2011 22:06 GMT

#498

On February 17 2011 06:07 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Ok....so maybe I'm arguing against people that think Sentinel is OP because of his spitting attack? Thats not the concern whatsoever for high level players. So just because you all beat a sentinel by out projectiling him doesn't mean sentinel can be stopped, it means you stopped someone who's spamming the laser beam.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

February 16 2011 22:16 GMT

#499

You probably should also explain to them that Sentinel is still "too good" because he does everything well. He is "broken" in terms of viable picks. He has a great assist, easy to DHC into, armor, X-factor rape which makes him an awesome 3rd and on point he is still great.

It's not just the beam spam, or the x factor, or the assist, or the armor, or the monstrous HP that make him great - it's all of these on one character.

Arhkangel

Argentina769 Posts

February 16 2011 22:21 GMT

#500

Here's the beauty of the situation. Capcom is planning more DLC characters, that means more patches, and since there is no arcade release Capcom is free to balance and tweak the game with every patch and honestly this is probably Capcom's masterpiece in terms of character balance.

Sentinel definitely feels like Sagat felt in Vanilla. Not unbeatable but certainly has the upper hand regardless of who's playing him.

Marvel 3 is already pretty advanced in terms of break-down and understanding and the only thing I see that could hurt Sentinels current position as top of the pack is new techs being discovered and you can't count on that.

And as Z said you cannot argue balance when you think that its his laser that's broken.