|
Holy shit. Another asterisk.
Mark McGwire has admitted taking steroids in 1998 when he broke Roger Maris' home run record.
"I wish I had never touched steroids," McGwire said in a statement. "It was foolish and it was a mistake. I truly apologize. Looking back, I wish I had never played during the steroid era.
"I'm sure people will wonder if I could have hit all those home runs had I never taken steroids. I had good years when I didn't take any and I had bad years when I didn't take any. I had good years when I took steroids and I had bad years when I took steroids. But no matter what, I shouldn't have done it and for that I'm truly sorry. Baseball is really different now -- it's been cleaned up. The Commissioner and the Players Association implemented testing and they cracked down, and I'm glad they did."
McGwire is entering his first season as the hitting coach of the St. Louis Cardinals, and his return to baseball prompted his admission. "It's time for me to talk about the past and to confirm what people have suspected," McGwire said. That echoes the phrase he used repeatedly during a Congressional inquiry into steroids in baseball in 2005, when he stonewalled questions about whether he had ever used steroids by saying, "I'm not here to talk about the past."
McGwire then went into seclusion for several years before being hired at the end of last season as the Cardinals' new hitting coach.
"On behalf of the entire Cardinals organization, I believe Mark McGwire today did the right thing by telling the truth and openly acknowledging his past mistakes," said Bill DeWitt, the Cardinals Chairman. "No one condones what Mark did more than 10 years ago, but we hired him as our hitting coach because we know there are many contributions that Mark can and will make to our team and to this game."
McGwire played 16 seasons in the majors with Oakland and St. Louis. He retired after the 2001 season having hit 583 home runs, which still ranks tied for eighth in major league history. His 10.61 at bats/home run is the best ever.
Tony La Russa, the Cardinals manager who hired McGwire as hitting coach and who managed McGwire with both the A's and the Cardinals, told MLB Network he did not feel duped by his former slugger, adding, "It's not excusable, it's a mistake but the perception of Mark when he played was he's a really solid individual and a great teamamte and I think that will be restored."
La Russa said he first found out when McGwire spoke to him Monday morning.
Source.
|
|
|
On January 12 2010 06:32 SonuvBob wrote:
You're surprised?
its like the first guys I said , omg this guys is buff up lol
|
|
|
Good for him though. It would be a much bigger problem if he did not admit.
|
Don't believe his apology or "I'd have done it differently if I could go back" at all. He's getting the best of both worlds: his name is in the history books thanks to his gear, and he gets to play the apologetic saint. I seriously doubt if he could go back he'd not take gear at the cost of being just an average or only above average player.
|
T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On January 12 2010 06:32 SonuvBob wrote:
You're surprised?
Surprised that he admitted it? Yes.
|
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society.
|
When he testified in front of Congress we all knew he was guilty. No one should be surprised. But still, I sit here in my cardinals hoody and cannot help but be disappointed.
|
On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society.
No he's not. And why should players be banned for doing drugs, it's not like meth helped Agassi out.
|
iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I hated his behavior during the inquiry from the senate. He was so obviously guilty and just kept refusing to directly answer their questions.
This is a step in the right direction though.
I'm sad he did it (not shocked) but I am glad he admitted it. Nothing can erase the damage he did but being honest and still trying to contribute to baseball are good steps.
|
On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society.
I have seen jordan lose over 100k and then walk out , buy three whores and hop in a limo.
They are atheletes. All they should be allowed to do is entertain. Seriously what a bunch of retards we must be to let actors and atheletes be our role models.
Hardly any of them are smart enough to even understand the implication of the word role model.
|
why would they? i'd do steroids if i could get away with it and make 12 million dollars a year
|
On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society.
The question is, would you have included Tiger Woods in that list a month ago?
The difference is being caught or not.
|
|
|
United States22883 Posts
On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society.
Except that the reason Jordan went to baseball was to avoid heat on his gambling issues and how it could be tied to his playing career. Or what about someone like Hank Aaron? We know for a fact that steroids were heavily used in the Brewers locker room back then, and magically his HR per AB drastically went up when he turned 39 and 40. You don't know that any of those people are really clean. Meh, let them take steroids.
Hell, how can anyone care about HR records when the requirements for a HR are different in every single stadium? God, baseball stat people like Gammond piss me off so much.
|
I'm glad he did admit. Pretty much everyone already knew he did the stuff, and this just helps him clear up his image / make him seem like a better person. Compare McGuire now to what we think of Barry Bonds. Personally, I see McGwire in better light than I do of Barry Bonds.
|
I'm starting to wonder if we'll be getting fake "admissions" from people desperate for attention.
|
maradona was a pothead and agassii had some kinda fucked up rebellion stage due to his father that caused him to use meth, again, another thing that had nothing to do with his performance. wtf do those have to do with someone who deliberately and knowingly tried to cheat??
|
Hey hey, baseball officials are worried that they'll lose fans due to players cheating with steroids - so we'll have one of the major cheaters admit things as a sign that we've cleaned things up - and let him still stay involved in baseball.
WTF?
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
probably a result of him not being elected to the hall. figures that he should just come clean and maybe he stands a chance
who really cares whether people take steroids anyway. as long as it is safe and controlled, take it all you want. it is technology after all
|
On January 12 2010 07:30 oneofthem wrote:
probably a result of him not being elected to the hall. figures that he should just come clean and maybe he stands a chance
who really cares whether people take steroids anyway. as long as it is safe and controlled, take it all you want. it is technology after all
The thing is that they are not safe.
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
it has a safe range of uses.
|
Meh, glad he admitted it. I never had an issue with hating steroids era guys, but for those who do, it must be getting hard to hate individuals when there was clearly a much larger picture. America is very forgiving if you come clean.
|
Reminds me of clazz for some reason.
|
|
|
blah, who cares, baseball is a joke anyways.
|
He wants to get in the HOF soooo bad...
|
I don't know why he felt he needed to add that baseball is cleaner nowadays... suspect.
|
How is this OMG worthy at all?
|
On January 12 2010 07:04 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society. Except that the reason Jordan went to baseball was to avoid heat on his gambling issues and how it could be tied to his playing career. Or what about someone like Hank Aaron? We know for a fact that steroids were heavily used in the Brewers locker room back then, and magically his HR per AB drastically went up when he turned 39 and 40. You don't know that any of those people are really clean. Meh, let them take steroids. Hell, how can anyone care about HR records when the requirements for a HR are different in every single stadium? God, baseball stat people like Gammond piss me off so much.
Too much time reading about unfounded sports conspiracy theories. Simmons probably thinks you're a fool for actually taking his theories seriously. Go read espn's ombudsperson.
|
Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
|
OH MY GOD HOW SHOCKING!!
......not really >_>
|
United States22883 Posts
On January 12 2010 10:30 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 07:04 Jibba wrote:On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society. Except that the reason Jordan went to baseball was to avoid heat on his gambling issues and how it could be tied to his playing career. Or what about someone like Hank Aaron? We know for a fact that steroids were heavily used in the Brewers locker room back then, and magically his HR per AB drastically went up when he turned 39 and 40. You don't know that any of those people are really clean. Meh, let them take steroids. Hell, how can anyone care about HR records when the requirements for a HR are different in every single stadium? God, baseball stat people like Gammond piss me off so much. Too much time reading about unfounded sports conspiracy theories. Simmons probably thinks you're a fool for actually taking his theories seriously. Go read espn's ombudsperson. It's not from Simmons. Do you know when the first Congressional investigation into steroid use in professional sports was conducted? 1973, and it was found that drug use was rampant in all the major sports investigated. Professional athletes do what they can to get an advantage. Of course it'll never be proven, but sticking an * on '98-'01 and ignoring the past 30 years of abuse is silly. Just accept that for the past 40 years, there probably was no "pure" era, and move on. Nothing magically changed in 1998, except that they went overboard with it.
|
is this supposed to be news? lol
|
On January 12 2010 06:57 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society. The question is, would you have included Tiger Woods in that list a month ago? The difference is being caught or not.
i still admire tiger woods.
He just needs to step his pimp game up.
Hes the most mentally tough out of any athlete around nowadays though. Possibly ever. I dont think most people realize that we're watching the greatest golfer to have played the game EVER. People who think bw is hard because of the fact that even the top pros only win like 60% of games. Golfers might win 1 tournament a year if they are good. If you win 20 you get your PGA tour playing priveledges for life. Hes already 3rd all time in wins and hes only played like 13 years on tour. He has single years that are better than careers of pretty notable players.
|
I'm a little surprised he admitted it.
|
steroids were rampant.
Baseball also tries to act like their records are timeless when that couldnt be further from the truth. Fact is the baseball parks are immensely different than they are now. You have the deadball/liveball eras. You have integration. People used spitballs, went in spikes up trying to hurt people, purposely threw at people. I mean seriously baseball has just had its head up its ass for a while and its been coming back to haunt the sport since the early 90's. People took amphetamines back in the day and no one thinks its a big deal.
Golf is the only pure sport left. You call penalties on yourself and are COMPLETELY ostracized for cheating. Nothing is even close.
|
On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society.
They should all be banned from their sport AND TSL3!
|
On January 12 2010 11:08 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 10:30 igotmyown wrote:On January 12 2010 07:04 Jibba wrote:On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society. Except that the reason Jordan went to baseball was to avoid heat on his gambling issues and how it could be tied to his playing career. Or what about someone like Hank Aaron? We know for a fact that steroids were heavily used in the Brewers locker room back then, and magically his HR per AB drastically went up when he turned 39 and 40. You don't know that any of those people are really clean. Meh, let them take steroids. Hell, how can anyone care about HR records when the requirements for a HR are different in every single stadium? God, baseball stat people like Gammond piss me off so much. Too much time reading about unfounded sports conspiracy theories. Simmons probably thinks you're a fool for actually taking his theories seriously. Go read espn's ombudsperson. It's not from Simmons. Do you know when the first Congressional investigation into steroid use in professional sports was conducted? 1973, and it was found that drug use was rampant in all the major sports investigated. Professional athletes do what they can to get an advantage. Of course it'll never be proven, but sticking an * on '98-'01 and ignoring the past 30 years of abuse is silly. Just accept that for the past 40 years, there probably was no "pure" era, and move on. Nothing magically changed in 1998, except that they went overboard with it.
Funny, I didn't know Congress also investigated Jordan's retirement, in 1973. Give a source, please.
|
Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 12 2010 12:00 Mastermind wrote:
I'm a little surprised he admitted it.
Well, he's got nothing much to lose these days. Not gonna get into the HoF, might as well come clean.
|
On January 12 2010 06:57 dcberkeley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society. The question is, would you have included Tiger Woods in that list a month ago? The difference is being caught or not.
Tiger Woods doesn't cheat in golf, he only cheats on his wife haha.
|
United States22883 Posts
On January 12 2010 12:32 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2010 11:08 Jibba wrote:On January 12 2010 10:30 igotmyown wrote:On January 12 2010 07:04 Jibba wrote:On January 12 2010 06:44 lightman wrote:
This steroid thing going on is a bunch of non sense seriously.
all these sportsmen that are admitting or have been found guilty of drug/steroid use should be banned from their sports right away. McGwire, Agassi, Maradona, the cyclist I don't remember his name. Seriously, our society is based on rules and rationalism, and cheating is not one of them. Take their records off the books, ban them from the sport and that's it. Unless a firm drastic example is set, this steroid thing is going to keep going on and on and on.
Moreover: also how unfair is it that people like Joe Shoeless Jackson and Pete Rose got banned for life from baseball for betting on games (which I'm not saying it may be right either), and these steroids guy just keep getting away with it, moreover McGwire is still a Hall of fame candiate ! Shame on him !, whereas Pete Rose or Shoeless jackson have never even been considered for veterans comitee.
Seriously this whole steroid thing has to come to an end, drastically in all sports. You took steroids ? or drugs ? well you're banned that's it. And this whole media thing not setting an example either contributes more on it.
This is why I admire clean people, like Federer, Ted Williams, Jordan, Ali, true sportsmen that even went beyond their sport to set an example for society. Except that the reason Jordan went to baseball was to avoid heat on his gambling issues and how it could be tied to his playing career. Or what about someone like Hank Aaron? We know for a fact that steroids were heavily used in the Brewers locker room back then, and magically his HR per AB drastically went up when he turned 39 and 40. You don't know that any of those people are really clean. Meh, let them take steroids. Hell, how can anyone care about HR records when the requirements for a HR are different in every single stadium? God, baseball stat people like Gammond piss me off so much. Too much time reading about unfounded sports conspiracy theories. Simmons probably thinks you're a fool for actually taking his theories seriously. Go read espn's ombudsperson. It's not from Simmons. Do you know when the first Congressional investigation into steroid use in professional sports was conducted? 1973, and it was found that drug use was rampant in all the major sports investigated. Professional athletes do what they can to get an advantage. Of course it'll never be proven, but sticking an * on '98-'01 and ignoring the past 30 years of abuse is silly. Just accept that for the past 40 years, there probably was no "pure" era, and move on. Nothing magically changed in 1998, except that they went overboard with it. Funny, I didn't know Congress also investigated Jordan's retirement, in 1973. Give a source, please. Ok, so you can't dispute the long history of steroids in baseball so you give a smart ass answer about that? If you trust the Lacey investigation, go ahead but it was already found that Jordan lied during that investigation. I know your reply will just be asking for a source, but I have too much to do to find it for you. I'm sure you can dig up the facts of the investigation on your own, just fine.
And it's kind of funny that you think it was just a crackpot Simmons theory he came up with a year or two ago. Jack Mccallum was writing about it in SI back in '93 as the retirement and investigation went on.
|
If you've read all my responses to all the other posts about steroids in baseball, you'll notice that I have no problem with them.
However, look at your original post. Except that the reason Jordan went to baseball was to avoid heat on his gambling issues and how it could be tied to his playing career. I have an issue with someone hand-waving speculation into an irrefutable fact, thereby lending false authority which is used to ground the later arguments.
This is the first of 3 hand-waving arguments
1: Gambling is The Reason Jordan went into baseball
2: Adding evidence for steroids in baseball during Hank Aaron's era proves #1
3: Jack McCallum basically wrote #1
Say if you had written, Hank Aaron steroids blah blah... People suspected Jordan went into baseball because of gambling accusations, and if it had extended to gambling within the NBA it could have tarnished his career and he would not be a model sportsman - then I would have no problem with it. Note that only his gambling on basketball would have compromised his, er, sportsmanship.
I commented solely on your substituting speculation with fact about Jordan, and somehow that's the only point that isn't addressed. #2
I checked for the Jack Mccallum story - since I don't want to the truth to be a victim of a 3rd attempt at proof through authority
+ Show Spoiler +Following the gambling uproar, he faced the task of defending his reputation against those who would characterize him as out of control. McCallum is one reporter who has noticed the change wrought by this lifestyle that is akin to living in a fishbowl: “Gone is much of the spontaneous joy that Jordan brought to the game in 1984, when he entered the league with a head of hair, a pair of North Carolina shorts beneath his Bulls uniform and a boyish appetite for fame and glory…. somewhere amid all the adulation and pressure, a spark went out of Jordan—one that, it seems, will never return.”
So gambling accusations = pressure, and less joy. There's no way you can conclude this as The Reason he quit, given that there were other minor factors like, say, his father dying. So either you're providing a misleading statement, or you think Stern suspended him, which leads us back to crappy conspiracy theories, about which I have not found a single McCallum article. Which potentially leads us to
#4: McCallum wrote about a conspiracy theory to suspend Jordan over gambling.
Summary: let's not misrepresent speculation as the truth, so people won't be misinformed
|
OT, but McGwire's kid used to go to this private school in my city where we used to skate called Pegasus. That school was so fun to play ditch'em on the roof.
|
With regards to the whole "he sounded like an idiot at the steriod hearings in 2005" comments it is my understanding that:
1. He was ready to tell the public about he steroid use, but he feared that he could be prosecuted for possession of some of the drugs. (Although he could have told about his steroid use in 2007 after the status of limitations was up)
2. He talked with some senators (Davis was his name I think?) about getting immunity from prosecution and he would come clean. During these discussions he admitted to using PEDS
3. Essentially at the hearings he pleaded the 5th based on his lawyer's advice because immunity was not granted.
Now, that being said, some of the stuff he has said is completely stupid. He claimed that steriods "did not help him, which leads to the obvious question; if they didn't help, why did did he do them?
Also, he claimed he only used them for medical reasons, which is simply garbage.
This seems like a situation that is similar to A-Rod's admission of steriod use; they told some of the truth, but not the entire truth. By telling only part of the truth McGwire is ruining any chance of going to the Hall of Fame (not that he had a chance IMO anyway).
It is also interesting that now that McGwire has admitted using steriods there are people for calling Sammy Sosa to "come out of the closet" so to speak. I can't imagine why any of these guys think that they even have a shot at going into the Hall without coming clean.
|
McGwire still has talent thought. Steroids don't turn you into a superhero overnight.
|
On January 13 2010 11:01 Saturnize wrote:
McGwire still has talent thought. Steroids don't turn you into a superhero overnight.
Steroids can make you see better, swing faster, run faster, hit farther. So yeah, they kind of do turn you into a super hero. McGwire keeps saying that steroids couldn't change his swing, but they could have allowed him to alter his swing due to faster reaction time / a faster swing.
|
On January 13 2010 12:29 ShoreT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 11:01 Saturnize wrote:
McGwire still has talent thought. Steroids don't turn you into a superhero overnight. Steroids can make you see better, swing faster, run faster, hit farther. So yeah, they kind of do turn you into a super hero. McGwire keeps saying that steroids couldn't change his swing, but they could have allowed him to alter his swing due to faster reaction time / a faster swing.
ive never heard of steroids allowing you to see better. Pretty sure you are confusing that with HGH. More strength would probably give him a quicker bat which would let him lay off pitches longer and pick his spots along with having more power. Look what it did to Bonds who was already a top 5 position player of his generation before roiding up.
|
Kinda off topic, but coincidently he was featured on the Simpsons episode today. Weird. Sigh....
|
didn't we already figure this out back in the late 90's?
|
On January 13 2010 12:35 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2010 12:29 ShoreT wrote:On January 13 2010 11:01 Saturnize wrote:
McGwire still has talent thought. Steroids don't turn you into a superhero overnight. Steroids can make you see better, swing faster, run faster, hit farther. So yeah, they kind of do turn you into a super hero. McGwire keeps saying that steroids couldn't change his swing, but they could have allowed him to alter his swing due to faster reaction time / a faster swing. ive never heard of steroids allowing you to see better. Pretty sure you are confusing that with HGH. More strength would probably give him a quicker bat which would let him lay off pitches longer and pick his spots along with having more power. Look what it did to Bonds who was already a top 5 position player of his generation before roiding up.
When I said steriods I really meant PED's in general, although McGwire did admit to HGH use (he claimed only once or twice).
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
