EPTOn January 12 2010 12:00 Mastermind wrote:
I'm a little surprised he admitted it.
I'm a little surprised he admitted it.
Well, he's got nothing much to lose these days. Not gonna get into the HoF, might as well come clean.
McGwire admits steroid use - Page 3
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Well, he's got nothing much to lose these days. Not gonna get into the HoF, might as well come clean. | ||
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proberecall
United States104 Posts
On January 12 2010 06:57 dcberkeley wrote: The question is, would you have included Tiger Woods in that list a month ago? The difference is being caught or not. Tiger Woods doesn't cheat in golf, he only cheats on his wife haha. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 12 2010 12:32 igotmyown wrote: Ok, so you can't dispute the long history of steroids in baseball so you give a smart ass answer about that? If you trust the Lacey investigation, go ahead but it was already found that Jordan lied during that investigation. I know your reply will just be asking for a source, but I have too much to do to find it for you. I'm sure you can dig up the facts of the investigation on your own, just fine.Funny, I didn't know Congress also investigated Jordan's retirement, in 1973. Give a source, please. And it's kind of funny that you think it was just a crackpot Simmons theory he came up with a year or two ago. Jack Mccallum was writing about it in SI back in '93 as the retirement and investigation went on. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
However, look at your original post. Except that the reason Jordan went to baseball was to avoid heat on his gambling issues and how it could be tied to his playing career. I have an issue with someone hand-waving speculation into an irrefutable fact, thereby lending false authority which is used to ground the later arguments. This is the first of 3 hand-waving arguments 1: Gambling is The Reason Jordan went into baseball 2: Adding evidence for steroids in baseball during Hank Aaron's era proves #1 3: Jack McCallum basically wrote #1 Say if you had written, Hank Aaron steroids blah blah... People suspected Jordan went into baseball because of gambling accusations, and if it had extended to gambling within the NBA it could have tarnished his career and he would not be a model sportsman - then I would have no problem with it. Note that only his gambling on basketball would have compromised his, er, sportsmanship. I commented solely on your substituting speculation with fact about Jordan, and somehow that's the only point that isn't addressed. #2 I checked for the Jack Mccallum story - since I don't want to the truth to be a victim of a 3rd attempt at proof through authority + Show Spoiler + Following the gambling uproar, he faced the task of defending his reputation against those who would characterize him as out of control. McCallum is one reporter who has noticed the change wrought by this lifestyle that is akin to living in a fishbowl: “Gone is much of the spontaneous joy that Jordan brought to the game in 1984, when he entered the league with a head of hair, a pair of North Carolina shorts beneath his Bulls uniform and a boyish appetite for fame and glory…. somewhere amid all the adulation and pressure, a spark went out of Jordan—one that, it seems, will never return.” So gambling accusations = pressure, and less joy. There's no way you can conclude this as The Reason he quit, given that there were other minor factors like, say, his father dying. So either you're providing a misleading statement, or you think Stern suspended him, which leads us back to crappy conspiracy theories, about which I have not found a single McCallum article. Which potentially leads us to #4: McCallum wrote about a conspiracy theory to suspend Jordan over gambling. Summary: let's not misrepresent speculation as the truth, so people won't be misinformed | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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ShoreT
United States489 Posts
1. He was ready to tell the public about he steroid use, but he feared that he could be prosecuted for possession of some of the drugs. (Although he could have told about his steroid use in 2007 after the status of limitations was up) 2. He talked with some senators (Davis was his name I think?) about getting immunity from prosecution and he would come clean. During these discussions he admitted to using PEDS 3. Essentially at the hearings he pleaded the 5th based on his lawyer's advice because immunity was not granted. Now, that being said, some of the stuff he has said is completely stupid. He claimed that steriods "did not help him, which leads to the obvious question; if they didn't help, why did did he do them? Also, he claimed he only used them for medical reasons, which is simply garbage. This seems like a situation that is similar to A-Rod's admission of steriod use; they told some of the truth, but not the entire truth. By telling only part of the truth McGwire is ruining any chance of going to the Hall of Fame (not that he had a chance IMO anyway). It is also interesting that now that McGwire has admitted using steriods there are people for calling Sammy Sosa to "come out of the closet" so to speak. I can't imagine why any of these guys think that they even have a shot at going into the Hall without coming clean. | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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ShoreT
United States489 Posts
On January 13 2010 11:01 Saturnize wrote: McGwire still has talent thought. Steroids don't turn you into a superhero overnight. Steroids can make you see better, swing faster, run faster, hit farther. So yeah, they kind of do turn you into a super hero. McGwire keeps saying that steroids couldn't change his swing, but they could have allowed him to alter his swing due to faster reaction time / a faster swing. | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
On January 13 2010 12:29 ShoreT wrote: Steroids can make you see better, swing faster, run faster, hit farther. So yeah, they kind of do turn you into a super hero. McGwire keeps saying that steroids couldn't change his swing, but they could have allowed him to alter his swing due to faster reaction time / a faster swing. ive never heard of steroids allowing you to see better. Pretty sure you are confusing that with HGH. More strength would probably give him a quicker bat which would let him lay off pitches longer and pick his spots along with having more power. Look what it did to Bonds who was already a top 5 position player of his generation before roiding up. | ||
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eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
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Faronel
United States658 Posts
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ShoreT
United States489 Posts
On January 13 2010 12:35 Sadist wrote: ive never heard of steroids allowing you to see better. Pretty sure you are confusing that with HGH. More strength would probably give him a quicker bat which would let him lay off pitches longer and pick his spots along with having more power. Look what it did to Bonds who was already a top 5 position player of his generation before roiding up. When I said steriods I really meant PED's in general, although McGwire did admit to HGH use (he claimed only once or twice). | ||
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