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On May 23 2010 16:24 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 14:41 Juicyfruit wrote:
My AD kat gets more than double the creepscore of AP kat. Take that into consideration. AP Kat farms kills, and that's all she can do. my AP kat would stomp all over your AD kat. seriously. kobe24 and statikk are the only ones i can remember who i felt were truly "better" kats. kobe is probably the #1 kat on the server and runs an AP build almost identical to mine. besides wtf are you doing farming with kat? she's one of the best roaming/ganking heroes in the game and the single best tower diving champ. you HAVE no time to get a high cs. if youre sitting in a lane afk-farming trying to max your bloodthirster stacks then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how kat is to be played.
I wonder if Furor still plays this game. I would like to hear what he thinks of the new Kat, seeing as he was previously the best Kat before all the changes.
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Guinsoo's Rageblade for master yi. Y/N?
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Not over other more useful things no.
That is not to say it's useless on him
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On May 23 2010 22:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
Guinsoo's Rageblade for master yi. Y/N?
Consider what you would drop for it.
BT? No
Bloodrazors? No
Soto? No
IE? No
Phantom? No
Mallet? No
LW? No
Banshee's ? No
And consider why in the world you would want the AP. AS is good for Yi since it helps trigger his double attack but AP is neglectable as hell, the extra damage on alpha isnt worth it
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Tried AP kat for the first time. MUCH MUCH better. although i would probably trade the GA for a banshees to cover my ult
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On May 23 2010 15:08 nataziel wrote:
Fiddles is so hard to play if your team decides to initiate before you're charging, I hate it sooooo much. Either they run in before everyone's there and waste a stun or they engage in stupid, stupid places and I'm forced to ult in the open and get silenced, it's just horrible
This is just part of playing Fiddle. What you do in this case is NOT ULT. You run up, get a bouncing bird off on the nearest enemy, fear if someone breaks out to try to chase you down (and if so your team can focus the crap out of them), then back off. If the team fight gets going full blast and stops moving, you can think about ulting (from a position where the enemy can't see you, obviously -- you're packing ghost, so you can get on them in a hurry...right?), but if it's being pushed around just stay back and contribute with fear/bird when you can.
Fiddle's ult is flashy, but what makes a good Fiddle player is using his CC correctly.
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On May 23 2010 23:28 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 22:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
Guinsoo's Rageblade for master yi. Y/N? Consider what you would drop for it. BT? No Bloodrazors? No Soto? No IE? No Phantom? No Mallet? No LW? No Banshee's ? No And consider why in the world you would want the AP. AS is good for Yi since it helps trigger his double attack but AP is neglectable as hell, the extra damage on alpha isnt worth it
AP Yi is sooo viable. The amount of aoe burst dmg he deals is insane. Not to forget the 1200+ heal in 5 seconds and 300armor/mr makes him unkillable if theres no cc. I found great success in soloing mid with a doran ring then either getting mejais or just rushing zhonyas. I have no problem farming zhonya whatsoever because alpha strike gives you an instant 4 creep kills per wave. I follow Hotshotgg's build of zhonya/void staff then getting a lichbane if i'm ahead. Zhonya's active/meditate can help him to survive teamfights. I have survived countless times from a kat's ult because of the invulnerability. Not to mention his new ultimate refreshes all his cooldowns after a kill means you could literally steamroll a team with nonstop alphastrikes.
The thing about AP yi is that it solves his survivability issues as you play as a more hit and run character with some minor tanking with heal/zhonya.
If anyone wants to try I run 9/0/21 ignite ghost armor pen reds/quins yellow dodge/blue flat cds and max R>Q>W>E
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On May 23 2010 23:28 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 22:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
Guinsoo's Rageblade for master yi. Y/N? Consider what you would drop for it. BT? No Bloodrazors? No Soto? No IE? No Phantom? No Mallet? No LW? No Banshee's ? No And consider why in the world you would want the AP. AS is good for Yi since it helps trigger his double attack but AP is neglectable as hell, the extra damage on alpha isnt worth it
AP Yi is actually way better than AS/AD, you must not have seen a good one yet.
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On May 24 2010 01:07 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 23:28 Iplaythings wrote:On May 23 2010 22:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
Guinsoo's Rageblade for master yi. Y/N? Consider what you would drop for it. BT? No Bloodrazors? No Soto? No IE? No Phantom? No Mallet? No LW? No Banshee's ? No And consider why in the world you would want the AP. AS is good for Yi since it helps trigger his double attack but AP is neglectable as hell, the extra damage on alpha isnt worth it AP Yi is actually way better than AS/AD, you must not have seen a good one yet.
Never seen one at all. But oh well... In case of AP yi then Rageblade sounds just fine I guess.
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Hmm... I wonder if double attack procs GRB 2x...
I have to test out AP Yi some time.
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On May 23 2010 16 :24 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 14:41 Juicyfruit wrote:
My AD kat gets more than double the creepscore of AP kat. Take that into consideration. AP Kat farms kills, and that's all she can do. my AP kat would stomp all over your AD kat. seriously. kobe24 and statikk are the only ones i can remember who i felt were truly "better" kats. kobe is probably the #1 kat on the server and runs an AP build almost identical to mine. besides wtf are you doing farming with kat? she's one of the best roaming/ganking heroes in the game and the single best tower diving champ. you HAVE no time to get a high cs. if youre sitting in a lane afk-farming trying to max your bloodthirster stacks then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how kat is to be played.
I'm playing AD into tanking Kat.. Does that suck too?
I just started LoL a few weeks ago, but kat seems to be the hero I'm doing best with, and even in random games I have 28-20, getting a score like 15-25/3-8/10-20 almost every game and it seems to go alright.
I start with pendant+6 pots, then I proceed to getting a Bloodthirster(getting bf sword before scepter) and then I Mercury's Treads, Frozen Mallet, Warmog's Armor, Banshee's Veil and then for the finishing item I tend to get Randuin's Omen, I guess another option could be Atma's Impaler.
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so like what would be item build for ap yi
guessing chalice boots rageblade voidstaff zhonya?
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On May 24 2010 03:23 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 16 :24 redtooth wrote:On May 23 2010 14:41 Juicyfruit wrote:
My AD kat gets more than double the creepscore of AP kat. Take that into consideration. AP Kat farms kills, and that's all she can do. my AP kat would stomp all over your AD kat. seriously. kobe24 and statikk are the only ones i can remember who i felt were truly "better" kats. kobe is probably the #1 kat on the server and runs an AP build almost identical to mine. besides wtf are you doing farming with kat? she's one of the best roaming/ganking heroes in the game and the single best tower diving champ. you HAVE no time to get a high cs. if youre sitting in a lane afk-farming trying to max your bloodthirster stacks then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how kat is to be played. I'm playing AD into tanking Kat.. Does that suck too? I just started LoL a few weeks ago, but kat seems to be the hero I'm doing best with, and even in random games I have 28-20, getting a score like 15-25/3-8/10-20 almost every game and it seems to go alright. I start with pendant+6 pots, then I proceed to getting a Bloodthirster(getting bf sword before scepter) and then I Mercury's Treads, Frozen Mallet, Warmog's Armor, Banshee's Veil and then for the finishing item I tend to get Randuin's Omen, I guess another option could be Atma's Impaler.
Well keep in mind that "hero xxx sucks" or "buold xxx is unplayable" doesn't actually mean that this hero is awful, just it is underdog compared to other heroes/builds. You can play well with any hero, say trynd but only if you actually "feel" tryd and "don;t feel" his superior counterparts (say, Jax)
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On May 24 2010 03:43 FlameSworD wrote:
so like what would be item build for ap yi
guessing chalice boots rageblade voidstaff zhonya?
I've been playing around with ap yi quite a bit and I use a similar build. I'm starting to think rageblade isn't really worth it though - need to find a replacement.
You'll definitely want an early mejai's, anyways
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On May 24 2010 00:21 HypnoticPoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 23:28 Iplaythings wrote:On May 23 2010 22:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
Guinsoo's Rageblade for master yi. Y/N? Consider what you would drop for it. BT? No Bloodrazors? No Soto? No IE? No Phantom? No Mallet? No LW? No Banshee's ? No And consider why in the world you would want the AP. AS is good for Yi since it helps trigger his double attack but AP is neglectable as hell, the extra damage on alpha isnt worth it AP Yi is sooo viable. The amount of aoe burst dmg he deals is insane. Not to forget the 1200+ heal in 5 seconds and 300armor/mr makes him unkillable if theres no cc. I found great success in soloing mid with a doran ring then either getting mejais or just rushing zhonyas. I have no problem farming zhonya whatsoever because alpha strike gives you an instant 4 creep kills per wave. I follow Hotshotgg's build of zhonya/void staff then getting a lichbane if i'm ahead. Zhonya's active/meditate can help him to survive teamfights. I have survived countless times from a kat's ult because of the invulnerability. Not to mention his new ultimate refreshes all his cooldowns after a kill means you could literally steamroll a team with nonstop alphastrikes. The thing about AP yi is that it solves his survivability issues as you play as a more hit and run character with some minor tanking with heal/zhonya. If anyone wants to try I run 9/0/21 ignite ghost armor pen reds/quins yellow dodge/blue flat cds and max R>Q>W>E
Lol Poo I think I played against your AP Yi. I got absolutely steam rolled that game and played like crap, although iirc it was a 4v5 anyway. It was the game where everyone was going /yawn. If it wasn't you then it was an AP Yi who was kicking ass.
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AP Yi is soooooooooo fun, gotta love being able to tank stuff using meditate. I usually go dorans, boots, meja's (if I'm doing well), zonya's, void staff.
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I honestly thought your malphite was better, but I guess it's easier to look good tanking than supporting.
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It's easier to look good with a tank that kills ranged DPS heroes than it is with a support hero that spends 1/5 her money on wards and only gets kills randomly 
Also a strong tank has more of a direct effect on the game. You can see the Malphite initiate and whack half their team to half health; you see but immediately forget when a Janna saves people, defends lanes, and pushes lanes to set up a big team push.
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i think its more of how janna's ult can screw someone over in getting a kill and they only see that rather then u saving 4 other people
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