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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 17:02:44
October 03 2012 16:50 GMT
#1601
On October 04 2012 00:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:05 BurningSera wrote:
On October 03 2012 16:55 Kupon3ss wrote:
Enchanted statsx3 is also utterly ridiculous for starting new characters, once u get a set of midlevel (~40) focus based rings/amulets that have a bunch of stats on them, u can go straight focus for around 15 levels, then suddenly slap on your lv 60-70 gear on your level 15 character, its pretty hilarious


That reminds me of doing my special vendor portal. Was thinking to get to lvl100 and use it but i think I'll do one when i get home. So the plan is I'll watch some SL3 while let the game opens for awhile.


So that means it is open now?


Ya Search for 'Boon' (game name is Boon Vendor for awhile)you should be able to find it (or sort lvl in Veteran difficulty find me at lvl85) , pw is tltl2. I opened the scroll in a lvl105 map, i did not click on him so he wouldn't disappear. This is NG+ btw. Happy shopping guys!

[image loading]

edit: ok found out that people can't see him. I think i will need to open another one when we have 6 people in the game.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
October 03 2012 17:19 GMT
#1602
This game is absolutely amazing. I really can't find one thing that I don't like about it, everything is just so well designed. Played a mp game today with two engies, and they were completely different buillds - one was wielding 2H sword and just destroying everything in his path, while other was running with ton of mechanical and summoned minions, blasting everything with cannon.

But the best things are items, I can spend hours just twinking my setup by adding sockets, changing gems, enchanting, transmuting and gambling.

Description on this unique had me laughing for a while:

[image loading]
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
October 03 2012 17:40 GMT
#1603
danm thats a good helm
So wait? I'm bad? =(
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
October 03 2012 17:41 GMT
#1604
Guys come join if you want, i'll open another boon once we cleared this lvl105 map xD
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 03 2012 17:47 GMT
#1605
On October 04 2012 02:41 BurningSera wrote:
Guys come join if you want, i'll open another boon once we cleared this lvl105 map xD


Come join the horror that is 100% haunt.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 17:55:42
October 03 2012 17:47 GMT
#1606
On October 04 2012 02:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 02:41 BurningSera wrote:
Guys come join if you want, i'll open another boon once we cleared this lvl105 map xD


Come join the horror that is 100% haunt.


lol did everyone just crashed? Who was you?

Q_Q wasted my lvl105 map

lol sorry for the failure, my first time open this scroll. Now if we counted in Kupo then we still have 2 spots, PM me if you want a spot.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 19:28:38
October 03 2012 19:05 GMT
#1607
Ok since steam is down, we'll do this boon vendor now!!

Game name and pw are the same.

Ok so it was only me and blitz because steam decided to back up again so i gotta run back to dota Q_Q

I have 2 more scrolls so i'll it again when i get to 100. So the thing is you need to open the scroll when the players are with you in game, otherwise people cant see him.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
October 03 2012 21:15 GMT
#1608
Ok, a bit of theorycrafting regarding stats...let's say I'm wielding a sword that does 100 physical damage and 100 fire damage. If a skills says "does 25% of weapon DPS as ice damage", will the total damage you make increase with strenght (because you are increasing weapong DPS) or with focus (as you are increasing the fire and ice damage)? Or with both?

I would think with both. So if I'm investing only in str I want weapons that do purely physical damage and skills that do purely physical damage. If the weapon/skill does both phys and magic, I would want both. Am I getting this right?
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
October 03 2012 21:29 GMT
#1609
iirc focus only increases elemental damage points of a percentage per level, whereas you see a more a substantial gain from str, this is probably there is usually a +bonus elemental passive skill for each class.
starleague forever
happyft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States470 Posts
October 03 2012 22:20 GMT
#1610
On October 04 2012 00:53 a176 wrote:
i wanted to do a shotgunlander but its depressing when lvl1 glaive just rapes everything


Yeah, the dps difference is simply insane. On a single target, glaives are at least 100% more dps ... and clear crowds better since rank 5 glaives home in on 4 different targets, with superior range too. Just started Act 3 and I'm still 1 or 2 shotting creep waves, and I kill champion/bosses SO much faster than with my shotgunlander.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
October 03 2012 22:20 GMT
#1611
On October 04 2012 06:15 Odoakar wrote:
Ok, a bit of theorycrafting regarding stats...let's say I'm wielding a sword that does 100 physical damage and 100 fire damage. If a skills says "does 25% of weapon DPS as ice damage", will the total damage you make increase with strenght (because you are increasing weapong DPS) or with focus (as you are increasing the fire and ice damage)? Or with both?

I would think with both. So if I'm investing only in str I want weapons that do purely physical damage and skills that do purely physical damage. If the weapon/skill does both phys and magic, I would want both. Am I getting this right?

Strength will increase all parts of the weapon damage, both the physical AND the fire damage. Focus would only increase the fire damage. So depending on your class, pumping only STR might work.

Basically, if you only use skills that state something like %Weapon DPS as blahblah, then focus won't help it. Spells that say something like +100 physical damage, +10 electric damage scale off of only focus, independent of weapon.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-03 23:09:39
October 03 2012 22:21 GMT
#1612
On October 04 2012 07:20 happyft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:53 a176 wrote:
i wanted to do a shotgunlander but its depressing when lvl1 glaive just rapes everything


Yeah, the dps difference is simply insane. On a single target, glaives are at least 100% more dps ... and clear crowds better since rank 5 glaives home in on 4 different targets, with superior range too. Just started Act 3 and I'm still 1 or 2 shotting creep waves, and I kill champion/bosses SO much faster than with my shotgunlander.

Honestly, I'm rolling a 2H Pistol Outlander on Normal just so I can do a fun strength/dex/focus hybrid build and still face roll things. Since it's normal, your DPS should be fine and you can do any build you want; 0 into vit ftw.

Question to outlanders: does Share the Wealth work in single player? As in, if you activate it, do you get the bonuses for yourself even with no allies?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
chaos021
Profile Joined March 2012
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 04:07:46
October 04 2012 03:44 GMT
#1613
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 04 2012 07:21 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 07:20 happyft wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:53 a176 wrote:
i wanted to do a shotgunlander but its depressing when lvl1 glaive just rapes everything


Yeah, the dps difference is simply insane. On a single target, glaives are at least 100% more dps ... and clear crowds better since rank 5 glaives home in on 4 different targets, with superior range too. Just started Act 3 and I'm still 1 or 2 shotting creep waves, and I kill champion/bosses SO much faster than with my shotgunlander.

Honestly, I'm rolling a 2H Pistol Outlander on Normal just so I can do a fun strength/dex/focus hybrid build and still face roll things. Since it's normal, your DPS should be fine and you can do any build you want; 0 into vit ftw.

Question to outlanders: does Share the Wealth work in single player? As in, if you activate it, do you get the bonuses for yourself even with no allies?


The skill says that you get that percentage as an additional bonus to what you already get. So yes, you get it too.

EDIT: Just confirmed it. You get it as a constantly rolling temporary buff.
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
October 04 2012 04:09 GMT
#1614
I've met a very annoying bug!!!! For some reason the loot is not displayed casually, i have to press ALT to see any loot or chests. I didn't turn off anything, plus i checked in settings if anything was checked/uncheked.

Any Clues? It's super annoying!
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
October 04 2012 04:25 GMT
#1615
On October 04 2012 13:09 CaM27 wrote:
I've met a very annoying bug!!!! For some reason the loot is not displayed casually, i have to press ALT to see any loot or chests. I didn't turn off anything, plus i checked in settings if anything was checked/uncheked.

Any Clues? It's super annoying!

bottom left of screen next to health globe, make sure compass is green
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 07:23:36
October 04 2012 07:22 GMT
#1616
On October 04 2012 06:15 Odoakar wrote:
Ok, a bit of theorycrafting regarding stats...let's say I'm wielding a sword that does 100 physical damage and 100 fire damage. If a skills says "does 25% of weapon DPS as ice damage", will the total damage you make increase with strenght (because you are increasing weapong DPS) or with focus (as you are increasing the fire and ice damage)? Or with both?

I would think with both. So if I'm investing only in str I want weapons that do purely physical damage and skills that do purely physical damage. If the weapon/skill does both phys and magic, I would want both. Am I getting this right?
Not really. Here is how it works:

Strength boosts weapon damage (and thus DPS) no matter what element it is. So a skill using weapon DPS will have that portion of the damage improved by strength. It does not boost conveyed physical damage.

Focus boosts weapon damage that is elemental, plus conveyed damage over time. It also boosts the damage of any skill you use, including DoT. The only exceptions are minion damage, and the physical damage of a weapon using a skill that deals pure weapon damage or DPS. Yes, Focus boosts pure Physical damage on skills, such as shield bash or glaive shatter.

On a side note, any flat damage from your gear is never increased by anything. If your gear gives you +12 melee damage, that is +12 damage you deal per hit after everything else. Same goes for +12 ice damage on a ring or whatever.

As for the question itself... having both is just the same as having more of one. 100 str and 100 focus is exactly the same as 200 focus or 200 str if you use a skill based on weapon DPS. Any % increase in this game is additive, with few exceptions.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 07:28:15
October 04 2012 07:26 GMT
#1617
On October 04 2012 07:21 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 07:20 happyft wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:53 a176 wrote:
i wanted to do a shotgunlander but its depressing when lvl1 glaive just rapes everything


Yeah, the dps difference is simply insane. On a single target, glaives are at least 100% more dps ... and clear crowds better since rank 5 glaives home in on 4 different targets, with superior range too. Just started Act 3 and I'm still 1 or 2 shotting creep waves, and I kill champion/bosses SO much faster than with my shotgunlander.

Honestly, I'm rolling a 2H Pistol Outlander on Normal just so I can do a fun strength/dex/focus hybrid build and still face roll things. Since it's normal, your DPS should be fine and you can do any build you want; 0 into vit ftw.

Question to outlanders: does Share the Wealth work in single player? As in, if you activate it, do you get the bonuses for yourself even with no allies?


Their dmg output lategame are not too far behind glaivelanders, the problem is that they are heavily gear dependent and end up relying heavily upon DoT application from multishot abilities to achieve comparable dps (for example hitting something 5-10 times with 10k dots with one skill).

It's a pity the shadowling skills are so worthless since that would have been a really cool outlander minion build to compensate for the lack of a "necro" feeling class/route

to respond to the poster above: while 100 str 100 focus = 200 str or 200 focus purely as a % of increased dmg mod, the fact that str also increases dmg done by crits makes it a better investment overall for weapon based dmg
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
October 04 2012 07:46 GMT
#1618
focus should boost twice if you use an elemental weapon and an elemental weapon skill, no?

But then again, stremgth increases crit damage, which is a rare damage multiplier that multiplies with other damage multipliers instead of adding to them.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 09:08:28
October 04 2012 08:32 GMT
#1619
how much do you guys crit for with glaive? i used to use it but was only doing 30-50k crits since i don't stack focus. now i use shadow shot and i'm critting for 150k with 70% crit chance

also my venomous hail hits 60k times ...12? i think lol. could be doing a lot more but i have 6 or 8 gem slots dedicated to survivability =(
Niso
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia148 Posts
October 04 2012 11:08 GMT
#1620
I am getting random FPS lag/Skipping when I go to mapworks. Every other place map is fine, but in mapworks it lags for a few seconds then is fine for a few then lags for a second. I have tried changing options and everything. I don't have an amazing computer but the rest of the game is fine. Do you guys have any clue?
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