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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 17 2015 02:11 GMT
#3221
On November 14 2015 00:28 bo1b wrote:
Does anyone have advice for the falco vs samus matchup?

I'm getting wrecked at basically everystage of this m/u as far as I can tell. Really trying to improve, and each tourny I go to I'm noticing improvement but I've basically hit this wall with that matchup.

Basically need some pointers on how I can safely approach, and not get completely fucked when hit.


don't get cc'd: learn her cc %s and don't hit her with non-dair aerials at low %, and don't hit her with weak aerials at mid-high %. at low %s keep it at lasers / grabs / retreating aerials, unless you see her overextend in a way that'll get you a dair -> shine -> uair or w/e. (You can also dair -> shine -> fastfall onto a plat and uptilt her if she tries to do anything funny on the way down.)

laser -> grab is a good mixup because samuses like to shield.

bait out up b's by doing aerial -> shield. you might need to angle your shield so you don't get shieldpoked, since samus's upb has 4 small hitboxes.

in general, be patient and wait for her to whiff / hit your shield unsafely, and punish that. you have control over the neutral with lasers, so you can even camp her out and force her to approach you.

don't side-b or up-b at missile height.

think about how to DI her hits. dtilt usually leads to another hit regardless of your DI, but dsmash probably won't unless you DI up+forward. on the other hand if you DI dsmash backward you probably end up offstage. DIing upthrow behind her isn't too great if the samus is good at getting the tipper bair.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 17 2015 08:39 GMT
#3222
That's probably the most helpful thing I've ever read in regards to melee, thank you so much

I'm off to a meet up on saturday where the samus will be playing, so I'll definitely practice what you wrote and hopefully make some improvements. Thanks again.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51463 Posts
November 18 2015 09:10 GMT
#3223
is the samus by chance noxxus? hahaha.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 19 2015 00:06 GMT
#3224
Nah. Just someone I met in the monthly ranbats in melbourne.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
November 22 2015 01:49 GMT
#3225
RIP m2k. He was playing super good this tourney though.
Liquipedia
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 22 2015 07:02 GMT
#3226
MIT lost to UMA in TMG
Berkeley lost to Irvine
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 22 2015 21:57 GMT
#3227
hmm anyone got any tips for forcing yourself to shield less?
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 22 2015 23:48 GMT
#3228
consciously notice every time you shield
consciously try to replace shielding with some other defensive action (dash away, wd back, pre-emptive move, whatever)

something like that
Writer
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 22 2015 23:53 GMT
#3229
okie ill just try to notice, i do it when i dont need to be defensive, like ill just hold R after i l cancel despite not being in danger.. really limits my movement
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Iway
Profile Joined December 2011
France163 Posts
November 23 2015 04:13 GMT
#3230
Master the wavedash oos and practice dash dancing and i think you'll be good. It's a problem everyone faced at some point (or still does, hello).

Sometimes your opponent is just too much aggressive and you gotta break his rythm, or stay in shield and suffer :p

Don't beat yourself too much about it though
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 23 2015 07:17 GMT
#3231
Moon beats Prof coming from losers at KotN

Silent Wolf dominates Druggedfox at NWM, though Chip (WA Marth) upsets Ka-master (!) and Bladewise to take 3rd
Writer
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
November 26 2015 13:32 GMT
#3232
damn jeapie
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Kirb
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany900 Posts
November 26 2015 16:22 GMT
#3233
No dreamhack hype? ^^
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-26 16:58:17
November 26 2015 16:51 GMT
#3234
yah!

go mahie!

WHYS HIS TIE OVER HIS JUMPER
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 26 2015 23:32 GMT
#3235
shroomed + macd taking out mango + s2j AND armada + android, amazing
Writer
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 13:39:47
November 27 2015 10:46 GMT
#3236
damn baxon and wes went out so early

despite this commentator's tie and jacket looking ridiculous hes good at comemntating
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 27 2015 21:23 GMT
#3237
talking about king funk? he's been around a while, yeah
Writer
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 27 2015 22:26 GMT
#3238
What's the deal with Leffen vs SFAT?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 27 2015 22:36 GMT
#3239
This is hilarious, haha
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 22:41:23
November 27 2015 22:41 GMT
#3240
rip zac

edit: they just don't like each other, and had some twitter beef
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