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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
July 24 2011 19:38 GMT
#1141
The first of the albums set to be sold at C80 have been revealed, according to VGMDB. The really big circles haven't put out anything yet (Alstroemeria, Demetori, and the like), but the twenty albums being previewed seem good enough.

Of note so far are the new albums for Yellow Zebra, TatshMusicCircle, IRON ATTACK!, and what appears to be a small MAIKAZE album for a few Ten Desires tracks that have been released thus far. And if you're into THOUSAND LEAVES, then you'll get your death metal fix come August.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Airact
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 21:28:43
July 24 2011 20:47 GMT
#1142
On July 24 2011 08:57 Caller wrote:
Summary of matches today (Caller vs. Kaal)

Youmu > Meiling:
Youmu OP button mash > any semblance of tactics

Youmu > Meiling:
Youmu button mash is just too strong against Meiling

Sakuya > Meiling:
Phantasmal Killer + Perfect Maid es #1 best finisher

Sakuya > Meiling:
Runs into a Soul Sculpture card... pain happens.

Sakuya > Meiling:
Knives. Knives everywhere.

Sakuya < Meiling
Lost terribly, LOL. Kept running into Chinese anti-air.

Alice < Meiling
Yeah I have no idea how to play Alice.

Suika > Meiling
Button mash keeps game really close, score is 1-1, 7% Suika, 5% Meiling, Meiling knocks Suika down to 3% hp just as giant catfish lands for the kill.

Final score: Caller 6:2 Kaal

How do you hit the Phantasmal Killer? Aside from random hits from it, I never get anything done with it.

I personally have heavy problems against Meiling in general until I get Perfect Maid up and even then it's all about the Perfect Maid timing. Then again, I play a bit passively because I don't have the skill to hit everything. Might be problematic.

What setups do Sakuya players here generally play with?

My main deck(I don't like using specific counter-decks. I would if I would know how to counter what.):
-4 Magic Star Sword
(My main attack skill of choice. Good for everything really, can finish a combo or two as well and because the knives are so fast, there is no real reason not to use this. I like it upgraded.)

-3 Perfect Maid
(No brainer in my honest opinion. Vanishing Everything is good, but a bit more situational than Perfect Maid as every character wants to melee at some point. I feel that Time Paradox is just bad. It finishes a couple comboes fine, but that's about it.

-1 Time Sign "Imaginary Vertical Time"
(It's a good suppress card and forces the opponent to either graze at you, graze in the air while losing energy, or be static and block. All those situations are in most cases into my advantage. It can finish a combo or two, but it's a bit tricky to use as a finisher)

-2 Watch "Luna Dial"
(Dash -> Light Magic -> Luna Dial. That's all. If done correctly, I haven't found my opponents blocking/grazing it. I fail this a lot and allow them to do that though. Dash -> Light Magic -> Luna Dial -> Melee Range Magic Star Sword spam does a good amount of damage.)

-1 Scarred Soul "Soul Sculpture"
(A combo finisher. A great combo finisher.)

-2 Magic Potion
(Good for healing destroyed orbs and in situations, where you can attack the opposing corner.)

-3 Stopwatch
(I have found some uses for this card. Mainly used to cover distance and alternatively to link some attacks. I like the versatility of this card as it can be used in defence, although a bit tricky to, and in offense.)

-4 Hakurouken
(Honestly, I'm a bit hesitant to actually keep Hakuroukens in my main deck because the only thing I use them for are either after dash-Melees or to do melee comboes, mostly Melee -> stop before last hit -> down-Light Magic -> Hakurouken -> Melee combo. Continue if enough orbs.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10347 Posts
July 24 2011 22:06 GMT
#1143
On July 25 2011 04:38 Aeres wrote:
The first of the albums set to be sold at C80 have been revealed, according to VGMDB. The really big circles haven't put out anything yet (Alstroemeria, Demetori, and the like), but the twenty albums being previewed seem good enough.

Of note so far are the new albums for Yellow Zebra, TatshMusicCircle, IRON ATTACK!, and what appears to be a small MAIKAZE album for a few Ten Desires tracks that have been released thus far. And if you're into THOUSAND LEAVES, then you'll get your death metal fix come August.


Wow thanks for the update, 20 albums, epic!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 24 2011 22:09 GMT
#1144
On July 25 2011 05:47 Airact wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 08:57 Caller wrote:
Summary of matches today (Caller vs. Kaal)

Youmu > Meiling:
Youmu OP button mash > any semblance of tactics

Youmu > Meiling:
Youmu button mash is just too strong against Meiling

Sakuya > Meiling:
Phantasmal Killer + Perfect Maid es #1 best finisher

Sakuya > Meiling:
Runs into a Soul Sculpture card... pain happens.

Sakuya > Meiling:
Knives. Knives everywhere.

Sakuya < Meiling
Lost terribly, LOL. Kept running into Chinese anti-air.

Alice < Meiling
Yeah I have no idea how to play Alice.

Suika > Meiling
Button mash keeps game really close, score is 1-1, 7% Suika, 5% Meiling, Meiling knocks Suika down to 3% hp just as giant catfish lands for the kill.

Final score: Caller 6:2 Kaal

How do you hit the Phantasmal Killer? Aside from random hits from it, I never get anything done with it.

I personally have heavy problems against Meiling in general until I get Perfect Maid up and even then it's all about the Perfect Maid timing. Then again, I play a bit passively because I don't have the skill to hit everything. Might be problematic.

What setups do Sakuya players here generally play with?

My main deck(I don't like using specific counter-decks. I would if I would know how to counter what.):
-4 Magic Star Sword
(My main attack skill of choice. Good for everything really, can finish a combo or two as well and because the knives are so fast, there is no real reason not to use this. I like it upgraded.)

-3 Perfect Maid
(No brainer in my honest opinion. Vanishing Everything is good, but a bit more situational than Perfect Maid as every character wants to melee at some point. I feel that Time Paradox is just bad. It finishes a couple comboes fine, but that's about it.

-1 Time Sign "Imaginary Vertical Time"
(It's a good suppress card and forces the opponent to either graze at you, graze in the air while losing energy, or be static and block. All those situations are in most cases into my advantage. It can finish a combo or two, but it's a bit tricky to use as a finisher)

-2 Watch "Luna Dial"
(Dash -> Light Magic -> Luna Dial. That's all. If done correctly, I haven't found my opponents blocking/grazing it. I fail this a lot and allow them to do that though. Dash -> Light Magic -> Luna Dial -> Melee Range Magic Star Sword spam does a good amount of damage.)

-1 Scarred Soul "Soul Sculpture"
(A combo finisher. A great combo finisher.)

-2 Magic Potion
(Good for healing destroyed orbs and in situations, where you can attack the opposing corner.)

-3 Stopwatch
(I have found some uses for this card. Mainly used to cover distance and alternatively to link some attacks. I like the versatility of this card as it can be used in defence, although a bit tricky to, and in offense.)

-4 Hakurouken
(Honestly, I'm a bit hesitant to actually keep Hakuroukens in my main deck because the only thing I use them for are either after dash-Melees or to do melee comboes, mostly Melee -> stop before last hit -> down-Light Magic -> Hakurouken -> Melee combo. Continue if enough orbs.

Phantasmal Killer I tend to use as an airborne defensive card, like when I'm anticipating an enemy attack. Because it activates much faster than Killing Doll, an enemy counter usually can't stop the knives in time, and then the knives will hit the enemy that just tried to stop your spell card after your "overcommitting." It's free 4k damage lul.

Against Kaal's Meiling all I pretty much do is fly around kiting with knives until his graze ends and he gets hit by them, and then i lol in his face while he rages about how weak Meiling is. Meiling has good ground-to-ground and good ground-to-air but her air-to-air and air-to-ground is terrible. It also didn't hurt that his pc was lagging lololol

The deck I'm currently running is:
4 Square Ricochet-The lone knife is useful for stopping charges because it comes from behind, and often is hard to see with all of sakuya's other knives running around. It's a good cheap shot to set up for combos. I like magic star sword but because my fingers are fat its virtually impossible to get it off reliably.

3 Perfect Maid-because Dio is a boss.

3 Eternal Meek-It's like a 2 card version of Soul Sculpture, just less accurate. It's good in corners though, and is a nice general walling card that you can use to force your opponent back on the defensive.

1 Inscribed Red Soul-A weaker Soul Sculpture, but when I'm pressed for cards it's a nice one to have, especially when I use it and bait for Eternal Meek, or vice versa.

1 Luminous Ricochet-Mostly kept for pinning people down as well as for anti-air, because this lets me hit them from below where they can't block.

2 Luna Dial-Duh, time stop. I fucking suck at landing this though, but every single Sakuya I've seen uses it so I figure it has its uses.

2 Phantasmal Killer-Like I said, a nice defense card to use in the air.

2 Soul Sculpture-Good finisher for combos. It costs a shitload though.

1 C. Ricochet-A way to keep people overly defensive because if they mistime the ricochet they take 4k damage for free. So usually they'll try to retreat during this card, where you can take your time and set up for a guard break or something.

1 ZAWARUDO-no explanation needed. A good card to use when the enemy is falling down and you have time to cast.

I don't tend to use system cards because I am bad at this game. My Youmu deck is full of rainments and folding fans though, they're nice to have to beat people down. Like Meiling.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Airact
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 23:31:37
July 24 2011 23:18 GMT
#1145
On July 25 2011 07:09 Caller wrote:
Against Kaal's Meiling all I pretty much do is fly around kiting with knives until his graze ends and he gets hit by them, and then i lol in his face while he rages about how weak Meiling is. Meiling has good ground-to-ground and good ground-to-air but her air-to-air and air-to-ground is terrible. It also didn't hurt that his pc was lagging lololol

In my opinion, Meiling feels like Utsuho that requires more skill, but that has far more damage potential. I fear Meiling more than Utsuho or Suika, that's for sure. Then again, I haven't played any competent players.

Talking about skill, I really need to fix my Remilia(my secondary) play, as if my Sakuya play is good enough -_-.

The combos I know for Sakuya are basically:
Melee -> Stop before last hit -> down-Light Magic -> normal-Heavy Magic -> Magic Star Sword/A fast Spell if corner situation(Soul Sculpture should be able to hit)

(Non-contact Melee(the kick) ->) forward-Melee(the stomp) -> down-Light Magic -> Cross-up Magic

Aerial - down-Melee(the kick that makes the opponent bounce from the ground) -> Light Magic -> Magic Star Sword

And the most troll one:

Melee -> Stop before last hit -> down-Light Magic -> Heavy Magic forcing him into a corner -> correctly timed Imaginary Vertical Time -> close in -> Full Melee combo for Limit.

If you are using heavy spell card deck, I would suggest using Ibuki Gourds to have the ability of having more cards to use. You trade some deckspace for faster card drawing.
Coming from semi-competitive card gaming, drawing cards is important and should always be considered, even if it might not be the best decision.

JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
July 24 2011 23:53 GMT
#1146
On July 25 2011 03:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
i still need to get my IAMP up lol...

some reason when i start to install, a message comes up, and it seems that the message says something about the name not being appropriate (it has unproper symbols like < > , / or something)

i tried a few solutions that helped other people, like renaming the files, but couldn't figure it out

Anyone have a idea? or know where i can get help?


3K Post!
I'm falling way behind ;_;

Hm not sure what the problem would be with your installation
Try finding one where you dont' have to install
or I can send you a PM for it

You can always go to http://iamp.mizuumi.net/wiki/Main_Page
Amazing resource, and drop by the #iamp channel as well :D
I should be there usually
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10347 Posts
July 25 2011 00:12 GMT
#1147
Oh, I just realized that the one I had had to install, despite the game not being too large...

Thanks !

Also, too bad my 3k post wasn't in this thread. But it's ok, I post a lot regularly so it shouldn't take more than a few months to get to 4k :D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 25 2011 00:31 GMT
#1148
On July 25 2011 08:18 Airact wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 07:09 Caller wrote:
Against Kaal's Meiling all I pretty much do is fly around kiting with knives until his graze ends and he gets hit by them, and then i lol in his face while he rages about how weak Meiling is. Meiling has good ground-to-ground and good ground-to-air but her air-to-air and air-to-ground is terrible. It also didn't hurt that his pc was lagging lololol

In my opinion, Meiling feels like Utsuho that requires more skill, but that has far more damage potential. I fear Meiling more than Utsuho or Suika, that's for sure. Then again, I haven't played any competent players.

Talking about skill, I really need to fix my Remilia(my secondary) play, as if my Sakuya play is good enough -_-.

The combos I know for Sakuya are basically:
Melee -> Stop before last hit -> down-Light Magic -> normal-Heavy Magic -> Magic Star Sword/A fast Spell if corner situation(Soul Sculpture should be able to hit)

(Non-contact Melee(the kick) ->) forward-Melee(the stomp) -> down-Light Magic -> Cross-up Magic

Aerial - down-Melee(the kick that makes the opponent bounce from the ground) -> Light Magic -> Magic Star Sword

And the most troll one:

Melee -> Stop before last hit -> down-Light Magic -> Heavy Magic forcing him into a corner -> correctly timed Imaginary Vertical Time -> close in -> Full Melee combo for Limit.

If you are using heavy spell card deck, I would suggest using Ibuki Gourds to have the ability of having more cards to use. You trade some deckspace for faster card drawing.
Coming from semi-competitive card gaming, drawing cards is important and should always be considered, even if it might not be the best decision.


the thing with sakuya is that her knives are so spammable that i almost never have lack of cards to spam spell cards, especially since my primary low cost burn is endless meek. So I never have to worry about drawing cards.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 01:59:00
July 25 2011 01:52 GMT
#1149
On July 25 2011 03:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
i still need to get my IAMP up lol...

some reason when i start to install, a message comes up, and it seems that the message says something about the name not being appropriate (it has unproper symbols like < > , / or something)

i tried a few solutions that helped other people, like renaming the files, but couldn't figure it out

Anyone have a idea? or know where i can get help?


control panel -> regional and language -> advanced -> set language for non unicode programs = japanese

edit: your folder paths should have the \ replaced with ¥ if it worked
the courage to be a lazy bum
pSikh0
Profile Joined January 2009
163 Posts
July 25 2011 02:38 GMT
#1150
Hmm it's too bad i won't be able to join in until my vacation's over

I usually play Patchouli or Yukari in Soku, but I need to get a lot of rust off my skills first
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10347 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 04:21:04
July 25 2011 04:07 GMT
#1151
On July 25 2011 10:52 ZoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 03:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
i still need to get my IAMP up lol...

some reason when i start to install, a message comes up, and it seems that the message says something about the name not being appropriate (it has unproper symbols like < > , / or something)

i tried a few solutions that helped other people, like renaming the files, but couldn't figure it out

Anyone have a idea? or know where i can get help?


control panel -> regional and language -> advanced -> set language for non unicode programs = japanese

edit: your folder paths should have the \ replaced with ¥ if it worked


Darn I tried that too the first time but it was still messed up o.o even after restarting PC

Anyway it works now :D Thanks for the working link JSH gave me

But there is a small problem. So I got the first part to extract just fine, but when I renamed the 2nd part and tried to extract, it said it did not find an archive. (when I got rid of the tag, they turned into RAR instead of 7zip... maybe that's why?)

I'm assuming that part 2 is just all the BGM music though, since I don't have any lol
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
July 25 2011 04:56 GMT
#1152
Are you guys playing 12.3 over hamachi?

If so could someone send me the name/pass of the server.
All play and no work makes Jack unemployed.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
July 25 2011 05:01 GMT
#1153
On July 25 2011 13:56 Antiochus wrote:
Are you guys playing 12.3 over hamachi?

If so could someone send me the name/pass of the server.

we doing direct connections lulul
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 05:20:37
July 25 2011 05:08 GMT
#1154
On July 25 2011 14:01 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 13:56 Antiochus wrote:
Are you guys playing 12.3 over hamachi?

If so could someone send me the name/pass of the server.

we doing direct connections lulul


What really? Why not just make a hamachi network?

I could make a network for us right now if anyone is interested >.>
All play and no work makes Jack unemployed.
ph33r
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada58 Posts
July 25 2011 05:31 GMT
#1155
Sorry for barging in on your fighter talk

C80 Hype!
- Demetori announced his participation back in May, but no idea if he's releasing anything new...
- ENS! Hope nayuta is in it this time (http://yfrog.com/gy4f5okj)
- Amateras Records' release has a number of Nico Nico Singers which gets me giddy (F9/wotamin in particular) (http://amateras-records.com/?p=632)
- more awesome piano from As/Hi (http://ashisoundworks.smat.ne.jp/0007_web/ashi0007.html)
- never heard of AsparTate, but the crossfade is nice, esp. the last track (http://www.rvdavid.me/aspartate_003/)
- another double release arrange/original by Tatsh
- more awesome jazz/lounge by DDBY, flap+frog and TOHO JAZZ MESSENGER
- UnluckyMorpheus! (http://sound.jp/ankimo/hmbb.xhtm)
- probably more...too many tracklists/crossfades to go through

On a side note, I remember discussion about bakeneko/Assaultdoor a number of pages back. They couldn't get a spot =\ They'll be at Touhou Kouroumo though.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10347 Posts
July 25 2011 05:36 GMT
#1156
On July 25 2011 14:08 Antiochus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 14:01 Caller wrote:
On July 25 2011 13:56 Antiochus wrote:
Are you guys playing 12.3 over hamachi?

If so could someone send me the name/pass of the server.

we doing direct connections lulul


What really? Why not just make a hamachi network?

I could make a network for us right now if anyone is interested >.>


Hey lets make one! gogo! for all TL touhou fans!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Antiochus
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada548 Posts
July 25 2011 07:10 GMT
#1157
Ok so I started a server but due to hamachi's limit of 16 people or so per server you need to PM me to get the server name and password.

I've taken the liberty however of Pming a few people in these last couple pages who were talking about Soku so they can join right away before I go to sleep in a few minutes.To anyone else who I missed I'll try to get to you tomorrow.
All play and no work makes Jack unemployed.
Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
July 25 2011 07:32 GMT
#1158
Hey guys, I don't stay very up-to-date Touhou related news, can anyone tell me if there's a release date set for the Ten Desires?
i wear a kitten scarf
pSikh0
Profile Joined January 2009
163 Posts
July 25 2011 09:09 GMT
#1159
On July 25 2011 16:32 Imbajoe wrote:
Hey guys, I don't stay very up-to-date Touhou related news, can anyone tell me if there's a release date set for the Ten Desires?

It should be released at Comiket 80 iirc, which starts on 8/12
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
July 25 2011 16:26 GMT
#1160
On July 25 2011 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 10:52 ZoW wrote:
On July 25 2011 03:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
i still need to get my IAMP up lol...

some reason when i start to install, a message comes up, and it seems that the message says something about the name not being appropriate (it has unproper symbols like < > , / or something)

i tried a few solutions that helped other people, like renaming the files, but couldn't figure it out

Anyone have a idea? or know where i can get help?


control panel -> regional and language -> advanced -> set language for non unicode programs = japanese

edit: your folder paths should have the \ replaced with ¥ if it worked


Darn I tried that too the first time but it was still messed up o.o even after restarting PC

Anyway it works now :D Thanks for the working link JSH gave me

But there is a small problem. So I got the first part to extract just fine, but when I renamed the 2nd part and tried to extract, it said it did not find an archive. (when I got rid of the tag, they turned into RAR instead of 7zip... maybe that's why?)

I'm assuming that part 2 is just all the BGM music though, since I don't have any lol


oh no
I always have my BG music off in IaMP so I didn't notice D:
Sorry

I don't think it's that good anyways, save a couple exceptions
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
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