EPTMind Over Mechanics - Page 4
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Scaramanga
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On November 16 2008 06:26 simcar wrote: I cant remember that MJY had 90%,but until facing Bisu his ZvP was about 86%. 2 Zoler,i see u even dont understand what SC:BW is.+ Show Spoiler + MB u are player D rank in iccup And my advice for some users of teamliquid :+ Show Spoiler + guys, before posting something ,at least learn how to play sc,pls gain at least B- in iccup and then post PLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,thank you pick your choice tl this poster is: A Troll B Just stupid C Just inmature D Laugh because hell be baned in 1 week E All of the above Back on topic: Nice article. I want to add something about the 2 top atm. Stork has shown a big evolution in his mind game (the preparation during his osl run was almost flawless), and bisu has also shown improvement in this area. While thinking about why these two are again on top form i noted that they are not as good as they used to be: they are playing much better than that. Technically their game has not "evolved", its their decision making and bo choices that have become incredible good, has an example stork didnt repeat a BO on his osl run and bisu doesnt abuse of dt every game. I really want to see some Terran and Zerg improving in this area, and lastly I want that Best catches that this is the biggest leak in his game. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
First article ive disagreed with. No trend will be broken, because there is no trend. This is starcraft as it always was, only a lot, and I mean a lot, better. Edit: If there is any confusion about what I meant: Mechanics allows you to overcome mind, mind allows you to overcome mechanics. They are one in the same. July, even with an advantage in confidence, would of not been able to defeat Best had he had poor macro, bad game sense, sloppy play, etc. You can not will yourself a victory. However Best could not have even reached the finals had he not had a huge degree of confidence, ability to inspire fear in his opponents, game sense, and style. Both are utterly required to play Starcraft to an optimum level, and therefore trying to splice, categorize, and evaluate their importance is nothing more than pointless. 'Style' for example, is nothing more than the difference in emphasis placed upon completely standarized, macro based play, and a more dangerous, assertive harass/aggressive based play. The skill sets are all there, and neither will reign supreme in definitely, for they are the same thing. Starcraft. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
I would really love to see Jaedong take this next step. He plays in a very controlling style...if you watch his games, as long as he is never completely shaken, and can get back into the pace of the game, he never loses. If you are even with Jaedong, you will lose. The issue is his play lately has been lacking that kind of dominating flavor. He ripped through people with perfect play, but never really shows that "panache" or "flair" that is being discussed in this article...the focus on the mind game. He's one of my favorite players, though, so I really hope to see him make it back on top. It'd be insane to see him transition into this kind of play. I think it'd be frightening in its dominance. | ||
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Raz0r
United States287 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On November 16 2008 07:36 Mikilatov wrote: Jesus, what's with all the banworthy garbage I've been encountering in the past week? Maybe it's just bad luck, but it seems every thread I go into lately has some trolling asshole MEATGRINDERING shit out of his mouth. Sorry to say I might have done some semi-trolling in a thread. It was late. I was frustrated. | ||
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Roxen000
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GearitUP
United States337 Posts
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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HonestTea
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On November 16 2008 07:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol well just to point out a little fun fact, Zoler was a B+ Terran, which I doubt you are. Plus rest of your post doesn't even make sense, so I'm not even going to respond to any of it. Two other people have already done an exceptionally good job at mauling you for your blatant stupidity. On November 16 2008 07:36 Mikilatov wrote: Jesus, what's with all the banworthy garbage I've been encountering in the past week? Maybe it's just bad luck, but it seems every thread I go into lately has some trolling asshole MEATGRINDERING shit out of his mouth. On November 16 2008 06:48 CDRdude wrote: Isn't that the point of the article? Mind games for psychological damage? How is it out of context? I find your posts disrespectful, and I couldn't disagree more. I am a poor player, but I can still post more intelligently than you are apparently capable of. On November 16 2008 08:32 malongo wrote: pick your choice tl this poster is: A Troll B Just stupid C Just immature D Laugh because hell be baned in 1 week E All of the above Can't help but agree with you guys... I'd choose E, and I think this dudes last 5 posts or so are dedicated to flame guys here with a hundred times more posts than his.. and yeah, fix your grammar first before you flame anyone, k? | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR! | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 16 2008 00:26 Zoler wrote: obtw Zoler, the reason why Savior never attained those kind of stats is that iloveoov literally busted out and went on a killing spree (23-0 vs z comes to mind). Whereas Savior was a B-Team practice partner for a lot of 04,05 before busting out and raping left right and center. Iloveoov had considerable mental strength in his prime as well That is very true Savior won a lot, but 90%? Give me source on that fact pls. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/MSLPreview/OovScaryRecord.jpg) This is the one with the greatest domination ever and he isnt even at 90%. Iloveoovs domination was far greater than Saviors. Mental strength? I dont think so. The players with mental strength is called Boxer and Nada. Read this FE: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=73114  hell the sheer fact that there was an iloveoov curse verifies that claim. Oov created his own persona on the world of starcraft and his mental strength was unparalleled when he was able to create that image and indeed live that image... however things had to change eventually ^.^ | ||
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On November 16 2008 13:34 Plexa wrote: obtw Zoler, the reason why Savior never attained those kind of stats is that iloveoov literally busted out and went on a killing spree (23-0 vs z comes to mind). Whereas Savior was a B-Team practice partner for a lot of 04,05 before busting out and raping left right and center. Iloveoov had considerable mental strength in his prime as well hell the sheer fact that there was an iloveoov curse verifies that claim. Oov created his own persona on the world of starcraft and his mental strength was unparalleled when he was able to create that image and indeed live that image... however things had to change eventually ^.^Should've just linked to your iloveoov articles instead of typing that out He really was a beast. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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wasnt that his second OSL? | ||
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QibingZero
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 Stork is a 'mind' player rather than a 'mechanics' one.Personally I think a much better argument could be made just by viewing rA and  BoxeR and their play for the past 2-3 years. After all, their brilliance was the only reason they weren't terrible players once their mechanics were clearly second-rate to all the newer players. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On November 16 2008 19:51 Geo.Rion wrote: "Kingdom's apprentice, the expectations were high for him to walk the Royal Road" wasnt that his second OSL? I think this was meant for the time where he lost to Stork on the Ro8 I think, because of the imbalance that is Fantasy (The map) | ||
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TYL
Philippines116 Posts
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