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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
November 15 2008 18:08 GMT
#41
yeah jaedong and flash are some of the smartest players around right now

while there is a huge focus on mechanics, and they are the best at mechanics in their respective races, they are also know for being smart (if not always flashy) players
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
November 15 2008 18:12 GMT
#42
wonder kind = wonder kid, fix!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 15 2008 18:23 GMT
#43
very nice read. Good writeup.
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CommanderFluffy
Profile Joined June 2008
Taiwan1059 Posts
November 15 2008 19:13 GMT
#44
This was very well written and hits the nail on the head. good job, would read again.
Pain is temporary, but glory is forever.
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
November 15 2008 19:19 GMT
#45
awesome readd

def mind > mech
ggyo...
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
November 15 2008 19:23 GMT
#46
On November 16 2008 03:12 Raithed wrote:
wonder kind = wonder kid, fix!

http://www.answers.com/wunderkind
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Narrator
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
November 15 2008 19:43 GMT
#47
On November 16 2008 01:17 d(O.o)a wrote:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=puns

+ Show Spoiler +
But in all seriousness it was a very well written article a great read!

Yeah, I had this in my head as I was reading the article, as well. XD

Pretty interesting article. It would be great if SC returned to old school form.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5712 Posts
November 15 2008 19:48 GMT
#48
On November 15 2008 23:07 disciple wrote:
Great article, thou I must respectfully disagree with JD being pure mechanic monster. As much as I dont like him, he is imo the smartest zerg for now. His borrowing tactics vs sair/reaver, obs snipes are to prove my statement. Just watch JD vs Bisu on colosseum, the hydra traps for bisu's shuttles were amazing. JD knows how to adapt in most of the situations.


Yeah, not to mention the fact how he toyed with UpMagic. Remember the game on Fantasy?
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
November 15 2008 19:59 GMT
#49
Great read. I am really impressed with the conclusion's separation of the 'art' and 'science' of Starcraft - Fantastically put.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 15 2008 19:59 GMT
#50
I agree with much of this, starcraft is a very dynamic game and the balance between mechanics and inventive play is a cyclical process. Stork is an interesting study in this concept, he went from being a very inventive player (in his earlier days) to becoming an absolute machine. When he played fantasy in the OSL though he pulled out all the stops and there was a ton of creative and inventive play. Even now in single games he often plays a boring style, but he clearly knows when to bring out non-standard moves in a series.

The pendulum is going to swing back. Players will catch up to what jd/flash have (I like how you refer to it as normalization) and then the edge will have to be gained by players who are able to think on the fly, and the cycle will continue.
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NahLGaE
Profile Joined February 2008
Korea (South)523 Posts
November 15 2008 20:04 GMT
#51
good read but the part about stork bringing in probes is kind of out of context since it wasnt like an all in rush (like july's 5pool) since he did it after he knew that he won already and was just proving a point for psychological damage if anything.
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kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
November 15 2008 21:24 GMT
#52
On November 16 2008 02:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
really nice article, and yeah I must agree. When that flare shows it is absolutely incredible.

Do we all remember Casy vs Sea.jy?
+ Show Spoiler [game vod] +

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/8627_Casy_vs_Jy/vod
+ Show Spoiler [Game spoiler] +
For those who don't know, after casy successfully nuked the shit out of Jy in this game, Jy who was considered on par with JaeDong retired afterwards. This vicious nuking killed his mentality and will to compete to the point where he retired completely.


i'm pretty sure he didn't retire because of that.

good article. for me i'd have to say i like watching mechanics more than anything.
simcar
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)118 Posts
November 15 2008 21:26 GMT
#53
I cant remember that MJY had 90%,but until facing Bisu his ZvP was about 86%.
2 Zoler,i see u even dont understand what SC:BW is.+ Show Spoiler +
MB u are player D rank in iccup
Just watch Savior's game againt anybody,in BO3 and in BO5 he never used 1 strat again. For example in GOMTV MSL S3 againts Free[gm] he didnt use same tacticks. Just watch it.
And my advice for some users of teamliquid :+ Show Spoiler +
guys, before posting something ,at least learn how to play sc,pls gain at least B- in iccup and then post PLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,thank you
Savior will destroy everybody!!!
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
November 15 2008 21:39 GMT
#54
tis a very great read!
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
November 15 2008 21:48 GMT
#55
On November 16 2008 05:04 NahLGaE wrote:
good read but the part about stork bringing in probes is kind of out of context since it wasnt like an all in rush (like july's 5pool) since he did it after he knew that he won already and was just proving a point for psychological damage if anything.

Isn't that the point of the article? Mind games for psychological damage? How is it out of context?

On November 16 2008 06:26 simcar wrote:
I cant remember that MJY had 90%,but until facing Bisu his ZvP was about 86%.
2 Zoler,i see u even dont understand what SC:BW is.+ Show Spoiler +
MB u are player D rank in iccup
Just watch Savior's game againt anybody,in BO3 and in BO5 he never used 1 strat again. For example in GOMTV MSL S3 againts Free[gm] he didnt use same tacticks. Just watch it.
And my advice for some users of teamliquid :+ Show Spoiler +
guys, before posting something ,at least learn how to play sc,pls gain at least B- in iccup and then post PLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,thank you

I find your posts disrespectful, and I couldn't disagree more. I am a poor player, but I can still post more intelligently than you are apparently capable of.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-15 22:37:20
November 15 2008 22:36 GMT
#56
On November 16 2008 06:26 simcar wrote:
I cant remember that MJY had 90%,but until facing Bisu his ZvP was about 86%.
2 Zoler,i see u even dont understand what SC:BW is.+ Show Spoiler +
MB u are player D rank in iccup
Just watch Savior's game againt anybody,in BO3 and in BO5 he never used 1 strat again. For example in GOMTV MSL S3 againts Free[gm] he didnt use same tacticks. Just watch it.
And my advice for some users of teamliquid :+ Show Spoiler +
guys, before posting something ,at least learn how to play sc,pls gain at least B- in iccup and then post PLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,thank you


Jesus, what's with all the banworthy garbage I've been encountering in the past week? Maybe it's just bad luck, but it seems every thread I go into lately has some trolling asshole MEATGRINDERING shit out of his mouth.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
November 15 2008 22:40 GMT
#57
On November 16 2008 06:24 kramus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2008 02:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
really nice article, and yeah I must agree. When that flare shows it is absolutely incredible.

Do we all remember Casy vs Sea.jy?
+ Show Spoiler [game vod] +

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/8627_Casy_vs_Jy/vod
+ Show Spoiler [Game spoiler] +
For those who don't know, after casy successfully nuked the shit out of Jy in this game, Jy who was considered on par with JaeDong retired afterwards. This vicious nuking killed his mentality and will to compete to the point where he retired completely.


i'm pretty sure he didn't retire because of that.

good article. for me i'd have to say i like watching mechanics more than anything.


that was the last game before he retired. I dont know if any interviews have ever been translated, but its long been believed that failing to make that OSL caused him to retire. And casy was the one to knock him out of OSC.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
November 15 2008 22:44 GMT
#58
On November 16 2008 06:26 simcar wrote:
I cant remember that MJY had 90%,but until facing Bisu his ZvP was about 86%.
2 Zoler,i see u even dont understand what SC:BW is.+ Show Spoiler +
MB u are player D rank in iccup
Just watch Savior's game againt anybody,in BO3 and in BO5 he never used 1 strat again. For example in GOMTV MSL S3 againts Free[gm] he didnt use same tacticks. Just watch it.
And my advice for some users of teamliquid :+ Show Spoiler +
guys, before posting something ,at least learn how to play sc,pls gain at least B- in iccup and then post PLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,thank you

lol well just to point out a little fun fact, Zoler was a B+ Terran, which I doubt you are.

Plus rest of your post doesn't even make sense, so I'm not even going to respond to any of it. Two other people have already done an exceptionally good job at mauling you for your blatant stupidity.
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
November 15 2008 22:53 GMT
#59
On November 16 2008 06:26 simcar wrote:
I cant remember that MJY had 90%,but until facing Bisu his ZvP was about 86%.
2 Zoler,i see u even dont understand what SC:BW is.+ Show Spoiler +
MB u are player D rank in iccup
Just watch Savior's game againt anybody,in BO3 and in BO5 he never used 1 strat again. For example in GOMTV MSL S3 againts Free[gm] he didnt use same tacticks. Just watch it.
And my advice for some users of teamliquid :+ Show Spoiler +
guys, before posting something ,at least learn how to play sc,pls gain at least B- in iccup and then post PLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,thank you


Lol, How old are you kid?
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
November 15 2008 22:56 GMT
#60
Reminds me when Jaedong 9pooled against Flash's FE in an ace match in PL.

He just started crying.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
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