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On November 15 2008 23:50 simcar wrote:2 Zoler , in replays he did 3 hatch play,but watch his VODS and u will see that he is talent,and he uses his brain.ROBOTS can not be in FINALS 6 times without break !!! see---> Jaedong,FLash etc... I think u + Show Spoiler +noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STFU PLS
hahahha I see you are a fanboy. fanboys always get angry when you say something bad about their love. and what, he is talent?  ]
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Awesome read. I'm still amazed that this humble 2D game of Brood War that is over 10 years old is being constantly re-discovered everyday
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Nice read, very very well written.
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Very nice read which is very well written! thx
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I remember Boxers lockdown on Battlecruiesers (Nada's i think) or a godly match Nal_ra vs Savior or Nal_ra vs Boxer.
Old times, old times...
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On November 16 2008 00:05 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2008 23:50 simcar wrote:2 Zoler , in replays he did 3 hatch play,but watch his VODS and u will see that he is talent,and he uses his brain.ROBOTS can not be in FINALS 6 times without break !!! see---> Jaedong,FLash etc... I think u + Show Spoiler +noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STFU PLS hahahha I see you are a fanboy. fanboys always get angry when you say something bad about their love. and what, he is talent? ]
maybe he meant talented...
and yeah, I agree with your post zoler, he did the same thing every game, but I think that you failed to mention that his game was untouchable thats why he had that 90% win rate and you got flamed by someone with less that 20 posts.
I haven't really been in the sAviOr era, but I think he was one of the great players who were untouchable, won an OSL, then slumped, and is making a come back. This is when the Mind gets in, just look at Boxer, 2 straight OSLs, only getting defeated by the Legend Of Fall (like 4 times). He is a very good example of a player with a good, even exceptional, mental strength. sAviOr stayed in the spotlight with his perfect game sense and his talent, but after winning the OSL, he went into a slump.
I'd love to see him in a comeback. and yeah, he is a fanboy.
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On November 16 2008 00:19 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 00:05 Zoler wrote:On November 15 2008 23:50 simcar wrote:2 Zoler , in replays he did 3 hatch play,but watch his VODS and u will see that he is talent,and he uses his brain.ROBOTS can not be in FINALS 6 times without break !!! see---> Jaedong,FLash etc... I think u + Show Spoiler +noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STFU PLS hahahha I see you are a fanboy. fanboys always get angry when you say something bad about their love. and what, he is talent? ] maybe he meant talented... and yeah, I agree with your post zoler, he did the same thing every game, but I think that you failed to mention that his game was untouchable thats why he had that 90% win rate and you got flamed by someone with less that 20 posts. I haven't really been in the sAviOr era, but I think he was one of the great players who were untouchable, won an OSL, then slumped, and is making a come back. This is when the Mind gets in, just look at Boxer, 2 straight OSLs, only getting defeated by the Legend Of Fall (like 4 times). He is a very good example of a player with a good, even exceptional, mental strength. sAviOr stayed in the spotlight with his perfect game sense and his talent, but after winning the OSL, he went into a slump. I'd love to see him in a comeback. and yeah, he is a fanboy.
That is very true Savior won a lot, but 90%? Give me source on that fact pls.
This is the one with the greatest domination ever and he isnt even at 90%. Iloveoovs domination was far greater than Saviors. Mental strength? I dont think so. The players with mental strength is called Boxer and Nada. Read this FE:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=73114
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On November 16 2008 00:19 Phradamon wrote:
I remember Boxers lockdown on Battlecruiesers (Nada's i think) or a godly match Nal_ra vs Savior or Nal_ra vs Boxer.
Old times, old times...
yeah, nal_Ra vs savior on shin beaks was very nice (Both games, the short and long one)..
nal_rA vs boxer was another epic one, the one in andromeda, it was like "Shit, that was possible in that match up???"
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On November 16 2008 00:26 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 00:19 SilverSkyLark wrote:On November 16 2008 00:05 Zoler wrote:On November 15 2008 23:50 simcar wrote:2 Zoler , in replays he did 3 hatch play,but watch his VODS and u will see that he is talent,and he uses his brain.ROBOTS can not be in FINALS 6 times without break !!! see---> Jaedong,FLash etc... I think u + Show Spoiler +noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STFU PLS hahahha I see you are a fanboy. fanboys always get angry when you say something bad about their love. and what, he is talent? ] maybe he meant talented... and yeah, I agree with your post zoler, he did the same thing every game, but I think that you failed to mention that his game was untouchable thats why he had that 90% win rate and you got flamed by someone with less that 20 posts. I haven't really been in the sAviOr era, but I think he was one of the great players who were untouchable, won an OSL, then slumped, and is making a come back. This is when the Mind gets in, just look at Boxer, 2 straight OSLs, only getting defeated by the Legend Of Fall (like 4 times). He is a very good example of a player with a good, even exceptional, mental strength. sAviOr stayed in the spotlight with his perfect game sense and his talent, but after winning the OSL, he went into a slump. I'd love to see him in a comeback. and yeah, he is a fanboy. That is very true Savior won a lot, but 90%? Give me source on that fact pls. This is the one with the greatest domination ever and he isnt even at 90%. Iloveoovs domination was far greater than Saviors. Mental strength? I dont think so. The players with mental strength is called Boxer and Nada. Read this FE: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=73114
Hmm, I remember a vid I saw and there was something like 90.something% win percentage. I'm not sure because the text was in Korean, its just a short highlight vid.
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On November 16 2008 00:31 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2008 00:26 Zoler wrote:On November 16 2008 00:19 SilverSkyLark wrote:On November 16 2008 00:05 Zoler wrote:On November 15 2008 23:50 simcar wrote:2 Zoler , in replays he did 3 hatch play,but watch his VODS and u will see that he is talent,and he uses his brain.ROBOTS can not be in FINALS 6 times without break !!! see---> Jaedong,FLash etc... I think u + Show Spoiler +noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STFU PLS hahahha I see you are a fanboy. fanboys always get angry when you say something bad about their love. and what, he is talent? ] maybe he meant talented... and yeah, I agree with your post zoler, he did the same thing every game, but I think that you failed to mention that his game was untouchable thats why he had that 90% win rate and you got flamed by someone with less that 20 posts. I haven't really been in the sAviOr era, but I think he was one of the great players who were untouchable, won an OSL, then slumped, and is making a come back. This is when the Mind gets in, just look at Boxer, 2 straight OSLs, only getting defeated by the Legend Of Fall (like 4 times). He is a very good example of a player with a good, even exceptional, mental strength. sAviOr stayed in the spotlight with his perfect game sense and his talent, but after winning the OSL, he went into a slump. I'd love to see him in a comeback. and yeah, he is a fanboy. That is very true Savior won a lot, but 90%? Give me source on that fact pls. This is the one with the greatest domination ever and he isnt even at 90%. Iloveoovs domination was far greater than Saviors. Mental strength? I dont think so. The players with mental strength is called Boxer and Nada. Read this FE: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=73114 Hmm, I remember a vid I saw and there was something like 90.something% win percentage. I'm not sure because the text was in Korean, its just a short highlight vid.
yeah that is true, but that was his winning percentage is just that tournament, it wasnt his overall percentage
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really really nice read, GJ
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Was a nice read, but I felt that the third last paragraph was a bit unnecessary. Might just be that I'm a bit too used to reading about the "grace" and "oomph" of Boxer. That entire paragraph is just too mushy and romantic for me, really. =P
Again, other than that paragraph, I really enjoyed this read.
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I thought by the time BeSt lost to July in the OSL finals, it was impossible for him to be a Royal Roader because he had already participated in another OSL?
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nice read!
I would call it "psychology" instead of "attitude" though. Its not really new as well and I think u missed the biggest and longest phenomena in this respect to date - Saviors dominance. His dominance was almost purely due to psychology or "attitude", as you call it. Once Bisu broke his psychological armor of invincibility, it was over.
to zoler: savior did not just use the same strat again and again... beautiful early guards against midas or his unbelievable defence of daezangs 4 gate zeal push come to mind... he was very much adaptable in his prime. What would you think made him this dominant? He sure wasnt the dominant monster of his time because he just could play one BO nobody had an answer to. It was psychology or "attitude" that set him far apart from his opponents, everyone in their right mind who actually watched the games during the Savior era can agree with that I think.
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really nice article, and yeah I must agree. When that flare shows it is absolutely incredible.
Do we all remember Casy vs Sea.jy?
+ Show Spoiler [game vod] +
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Holy Sh*t, amazing write up.
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I always thought Jaedong struggled because he didn't have a tough enough mind to keep himself at the top of his game constantly. Jaedong in his prime seemed to be really creative, or at least adaptable. He seems to have a more flexible style than sAviOr and July.
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On November 16 2008 02:54 mister.bubbles wrote:
I always thought Jaedong struggled because he didn't have a tough enough mind to keep himself at the top of his game constantly. Jaedong in his prime seemed to be really creative, or at least adaptable. He seems to have a more flexible style than sAviOr and July.
that is my thought too
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Ooh~
Nice read. Nice read indeed~
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