EPTkawoq's post is also a great read. Pretty much proves haji's post.
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Realpenguin
8253 Posts
kawoq's post is also a great read. Pretty much proves haji's post. | ||
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War_Minister
Canada86 Posts
I won't look at the WCG the same way anymore... | ||
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liosama
Australia843 Posts
On November 06 2008 15:27 Fen wrote: WCG Aus had announced that there was not going to be a C&C3 player sent that year. However on the day, they changed their minds. None of the competative C&C players showed up and this guy went on to win the spot. Hahah i read that on the paper, the guy was braggign about how he "never played C&C3 before" http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/he-came-played-and-conquered/2007/08/28/1188067085510.html He was a friend of a friend. But yeah, joke. I knew about WCG back in 02/03, but back then, i was following CPL and ESWC which were decent enough comps for cs/q3 (i didnt follow sc back int he day) The scene has, changed. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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SlickR12345
Macedonia408 Posts
Anyways I fully agree with the article and stupid games with no "C" from "competitive" can't be even remotley compared and have the same weight as Starcraft, counter strike, unreal and/or quake 4. | ||
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Dalroti
Canada70 Posts
Some reasons I am not happy: 1. NO CANADA!! I mean how am i supposed to become professional if my country is not even competing internationally!!!!!! I sent them an e-mail and they said it was some financial problems. 2. Stupid games. Ok Age of Empires 3 is good. but a mobile game??????? Virtua fighter? iv never heard of that. Carom 3D???? Wat is that? Judging by the pic it looks like pool -_-. 3. Everything else. After reading this article... I have changed my mind about WCG. Oh well, it must be 10 times better next year. Wtih Starcraft 2 in it, if it gets realeased in time. | ||
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
Carom3D has a decent sized community but they only know about Carom3D, they don't read other E-sports sites and whatnot so they aren't very vocal. Also, it's only popular in some countries like Lithuania, Bulgaria and Brazil for some reason... I agree with Asphalt 4 though, there really isn't a community playing that game, of the 10 players at the grand finals, 2 are ex-Starcraft players ([-Bluewolf-] and Phoenix66) and 2 are ex-C&C players (a-L.Beta and WarMachine_BuJa) | ||
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siggy
United States39 Posts
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
lolz | ||
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
On November 07 2008 11:27 siggy wrote: Guitar hero 3 is a legitimate choice. There is a large competitive following, with high amounts of skill required to play it at a top level. -_- hell no. | ||
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
Good on Inc. for trying to get them to see some sense. I have a couple LOLs to share from WCG US. First is the new game which is called Red Stone I think.... at WCG US, only one actual team showed up, so eliminated players from the other RTS's started forming teams on the spot. Why the fuck not, eh? Incontrol and Idra teamed up and did decently well in the Red Stone tournament despite never having played it before. I didn't recognize the first place finishers at the ceremony (maybe they were the actual team?), but the second place team was two of the eliminated Age of Empires players. I'm pretty sure they hadn't played it before either, and they each got a few hundred bucks out of the deal. And as Xeris mentioned, there was a fucking cell phone racing game being played as well. Saturday night I ran into some guys on the elevator, and one of laughed and told me "I'm going to be on the main stage tomorrow to play some cell phone racing game that I just started playing yesterday!" I recognized him in the second place spot on the podium the next day. Did I mention there was no soundproofing at WCG US? Me and Diggity had to cast without giving away information about what was going on. The other casters didn't even try, though, and I heard reports of the CS teams responding to what was being said.... immediately going to the room that was mentioned to kill a guy, for instance. That all said... I would like to be optimistic, too, though. We tried talking to some WCG people as well, and will continue to do so. The guys at the bottom seemed to be pretty good, I must say. The refs on the scene handled things well, I thought. The guys at eSportsTV, who were in charge of all the technical stuff (cameras, MCs, etc) were mostly in agreement with us (all but the head guy) about the game selection and what have you, but they didn't have much say in the matter, either. The way they see it... more people play GH3 so more people will want to watch GH3 than something as old as Starcraft. And to be completely honest..... GH3 had the seats pretty packed every time it went on stage. WCG is catering to the lay person crowd who don't really care if a game is competitive because they will just watch games that they play at home. Okay, I'm not sure where I'm going with this anymore, and I'm kindof ruining my own point about trying to be hopeful now. But we did convince some people that BW was exciting, though. And when we showed everyone gathered around the RTS tournament area while the stage seats were empty for FIFA08, we even convinced them to put the BW 2/3 match on stage, so... who knows. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On November 07 2008 11:27 siggy wrote: Guitar hero 3 is a legitimate choice. There is a large competitive following, with high amounts of skill required to play it at a top level. The thing about guitar hero is ANYONE can be good at it, and it requires no thought whatsoever. In fact, I the only reason I don't like that game is that thought actually interferes with you playing it. I have a friend who's a drummer and 100% all the drum songs on rock band on expert, but it's not because he's a pro gamer, it's because he's an amateur drummer. | ||
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Roxen000
1226 Posts
On November 06 2008 21:48 Dvz(Dark) wrote: Did you all read Roxen000 is comment? there was now Brood War player from Australia! Now rise your hands everyone who remembers Legionarie? He was a great player! He finished 3rd once! That is an achievement, it is so sad not to see him or any other representing Australia. It is pretty sad. I remember back at the start of the year, I believe only 30 or so people expressed interest in competing in Starcraft from Australia. 30 people was not enough to support the game for this year so yeah =/ I am really hoping that changes for SC2. | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
Of course there are going to be several problems but they can be found in any international tournaments. Just like the beginnings of nearly all professional sports leagues, there are problems, especially with money. Be grateful for WCG - they've done a lot for eSports. | ||
LosingID8
CA10827 Posts
On November 06 2008 23:10 Navane wrote: I honestly don't see any problem with WCG. So a company decided to do a bad job at organizing a world wide tournament. If I bake shitty pizza's, who the hell is gonna complain? No one, people will just buy someone elses pizza and I will go out of bussiness. Since WCG is not going out of business, appearantly people buy their pizza's. And I don't think people buy pizza's if they don;t like them. Ergo, WCG has no problem. And if some one does not have a problem, they will not change. Since you are the one with the problem, i suggest you change. Not WCG. wait... you're being serious? | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
But when I say "I suggest you change" i didnt mean personally to the op. That was a bit sloppy written. I ment it like: "People who don't like WCG's pizza's should not buy it" | ||
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
The WCG 2002 Grand Finals in Korea was sublime because of the huge interest from the Koreans, which really did make the whole spectacle feel like real olympics. I can definately say that I have been a bit dissapointed ever since because I wanted the tournament to be as big and special as that. However, despite not being able to carry that kind of scene, WCG still is huge. I don't really think it's importance has diminished any bit through the years. The thing that has hurt them the most is the big amount of prominent players not being able to go due the visa problems year after year, something which I'm sure they are only partially to blame for. The fans enjoy the idea that WCG provides an event big enough to gather all the best teams and players year after year, and this is really all the matters. It doesn't seem likely to change. Obviously, WCG has rivals, but it is establishing a great tradition, and since it only comes once a year, of course there will be other big tournaments for the most popular games. I have to say, that I don't see Starcraft 2 being so popular that another event will take on the role of WCG. In Counter-Strike there have been other tournaments with similar success, like CPN and ESWC, but they don't take anything away for WCG. Having been part of the gaming scene for a long time, having followed the Counter-Strike, Warcraft 3 and Starcraft scenes, I have seen so many organizers make so many foolish and frustrating decision. Really, WCG does nothing that will set them apart. Time after time, I have seen organizers be out of touch with the fans, fail to provide coverage, replays, decent playing condition, the right playing format, good qualifiers, etc. I think WCG are doing fairly well, considering that surely they have limited resources. The only concrete points that I can point to them really messing up, where they could easily make a change, is in regards to their website and how they sometimes don't release replays for games and often not in good time. WCG have failed with many national qualifiers, and I have heard some horrible stories, but no doubt it is hard to get everything right in such a big organization. I actually didn't know that they hired local organizers; often I have seen that they just coorporate with other people, who want to organize a big event and make it a WCG qualifier. The local organizers normally have to get sponsors themselves to fund the tournaments, and I don't see how WCG could make ends meet if they had to pay for everything. I don't really consider the missing qualifiers, I just greatly appreciate the fact that WCG are making an event such as this possible. Even though some of the best players cannot come, many good players still come. And we enjoy it, year after year. It's truly fantastic that they have got this up and running and they seem to be very stable running it. I have heard of great qualifiers as well, and overall WCG adds up to many exciting and enjoyable tournaments each year. There is no doubt that if WCG had money to pay for it all, they could have almost flawless qualifiers for every game. However, it is quite limited by the fact that this is just about gaming, and often there aren't a lot of people around willing to organize or fund qualifiers. WCG seems like quite a beaurocracy, and there are definately things that could be improved, but in the end we don't know what lies behind it all. I have heard that for several years, a guy in Bulgaria who got the license for hosting the national Warcraft 3 WCG qualifier, has made it impossible for anyone the play at the qualifier. So, each year he went himself and kept the money. If WCG were more hands-on, they'd see through this and do something about it, but furtunately there are better conditions for organizing qualifiers in other countries where there are already big gaming organization or a huge interest in the games. Many Central European and Scandinavian countries often have good qualifiers for some of the games because of their popularity. When there is great interest, more things become possible, and we see many different organizations and people involved in carrying out different tournaments. Korean qualifier do not seem to have failed either. WCG is definately no disgrace, and the tournament is indeed, in spirit, the olympics of gaming, helping esports prosper. | ||
Chill
Calgary25979 Posts
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
On November 08 2008 01:08 Navane wrote: edited most of it out: i was just repeating myself But when I say "I suggest you change" i didnt mean personally to the op. That was a bit sloppy written. I ment it like: "People who don't like WCG's pizza's should not buy it" The entire point of Hajis article was that WCG has pretty much said "Hey fuck that dominos shit over there, come get the best pizza in the world at WCG!". Then all these fucking people show up and try their hardest to get to the pizza before WCG closes. Anyway your pizza analogy sucks. WCG should not have set the bar so high for themselves because now people like Haji and myself, amongst many others I am sure, feel cheated. This is not the epitomy of world wide e-Sports. I daresay that this is honestly the worst tournament of its kind, though there arent many others that are not based in Korea. | ||
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