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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
On November 06 2008 12:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote: [/b]b]PROMISE you SC would be dead outside of korea WCG was actually what made me start watching starcraft, I was watching my favorite warcraft players play, and there was some starcraft so i just watched that too | ||
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
but actually i couldnt care less; nice article btw  | ||
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GearitUP
United States337 Posts
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t_co
United States702 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19141 Posts
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
But why writing "I suggest that everyone hack for this wcg, because apparently it's completely okay to do so.” – Chill" just under the picture of the CS French team ? | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
You keep cmparing gaming with sports associations, but progaming has been around for 8 years, and sports could evolve for decades. I play this sport, floorball. It is big in Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and Czech Republic. But when I came to the UK, I faced much smaller comunity. And with them the newly born comitee. People are arguing, nobody knows how to organise even the basic things like communication between bodies of Scotland and England, and the referees are utter jokes. But I believe things will pick up, as more people that want to be involved will pour into the game. The rules will be made over time, and a strong Comitee will emerge years from today. And its very simmilar in Starcraft. The comitees are not established, and the problem starts at national level. If progaming would be anything like old sports, than each country would have a clear governing body, with stable members, organisers, websites and schedules. Just like in the majority of popular sports. They would organise events for its members, like national championships, cups etc. They would have a stable governing body, which could be voted on meetings of comitee from different parts of the country, in chosen terms, assuring that the right people are at the top. If this situation will ever happen, than WCG can work just like an olympic comitee. Give limits, throw some general rules (maps, format, funding requirements) at the national comitees (don't have to be wcg, if every country would have one governing body, than it would be given the mandate automatically) and take care of the main event and its smoothness. The example here is CMSP In Czech Republic. Its the only organisation in Czech Republic and Slovakia, with same people at the top. And although we sometimes bitch about it, it is doing its job like in any sport. It is responsible for all official events in Czech Republic, organises Czech Championships, helps to cover Lancraft, and amongst other things is of course the WCG Organiser. It has its flaws, but its a new organisation so it will develop over time. The problem here is not on the WCG side, but on the community in each country and lack of competent people being able to form one governing body, as it happened in mass majority of sports. + Show Spoiler + I am only talking about the national level problems you complaint about. The bad strategic level decisions like maps are obviously WCG's problem. And obviously games are not sports, and as far as I recall there is not a publisher that released athletics lobbying for more disciplines to be at the Olympics. Sad but true - money will always have its say in this industry. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Singapore827 Posts
I would agree with Lemon. The fortunate thing is that E-Sports is still young, even at 8 years old. Give it time, say 5 to 10 more years. Then we will see how things should be better. When you have passionate ex-gamers running the show, its obviously better since they know their stuff. Just look at Tasteless doing a fantastic job at GOMTV. Look at the retired korean progamers becoming coaches, observers and commentators. It looks not much for now, but surely there is progress. I think this is crazy, but lets say if Boxer at 35 years old becomes KESPA president or something of equal position in Korea E-Sports, things WILL change. Personally I've challenged myself to be a referee for WCG SG broodwar next year. No offense, but its a little weird for the lead referee to ask me how to spot the illegal bugs. I took it in good stride to show him how, but I say it made me compelled enough to become a referee myself. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On November 06 2008 20:31 NeverTheEndlessWiz wrote: Well written Haji! However this also means something we as gamers need to give : real gamers need to take up key roles in WCG management, not people who have zero/little idea about gaming. Very often, money speaks loudly to them. The fortunate thing is that E-Sports is still young, even at 8 years old. Give it time, say 5 to 10 more years. Then we will see how things should be better. When you have passionate ex-gamers running the show, its obviously better since they know their stuff. Just look at Tasteless doing a fantastic job at GOMTV. Look at the retired korean progamers becoming coaches, observers and commentators. It looks not much for now, but surely there is progress. I think this is crazy, but lets say if Boxer at 35 years old becomes KESPA president or something of equal position in Korea E-Sports, things WILL change. Personally I've challenged myself to be a referee for WCG SG broodwar next year. No offense, but its a little weird for the lead referee to ask me how to spot the illegal bugs. I took it in good stride to show him how, but I say it made me compelled enough to become a referee myself. Well said. You see this in emerging sports everywhere. Players complaint, post bad comments about the organisers, but they never do the right thing. Instead of this article there should be separate thread for every problematic national wcg organisation, contacts of the organisers and and urge for people to offer their expertise and managerial skills to them for next wcg with discussion and next course of action. There is little experience, many of the procedures are made on the run and mistakes are likely to occur, and as I found out in situations like these, what you don't do yourself, you don't get... | ||
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stenole
Norway870 Posts
I get the impression that the people in charge of arranging national WCG events will often have affiliations to a single gaming community. So you will have CS people arranging WCG for Warcraft 3 and BW players. They will also decide on how many players are sent to the grand final and the distribution of prizes and can even decide that "Hey, we won't even bother with BW. The players are just a bunch of elitist button-bashing noobs anyway". Sometimes you will have volounteers that are really motivated and work hard to make things happen though. These people and groups take initiative to get things moving, keep things professional and manage to find funding. The countries who have people like this are lucky, and the gamers there should be thankful. Very well written, Haji. I just wish it came with instructions for improvement of the situation. | ||
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SirTea
United States48 Posts
No We Love Katamari? No Viva Pinata? This is lame. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On November 06 2008 18:32 Nitro68 wrote: Agree 100%, great article. But why writing "I suggest that everyone hack for this wcg, because apparently it's completely okay to do so.” – Chill" just under the picture of the CS French team ? Had nothing to do with the picture :p i just needed somewhere to edit that pic in lol. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
On November 06 2008 17:56 GearitUP wrote: !!!! WOW! That KawaiiRice guy comes into my Team channel all the time... I had no idea he was he was such an asshole.. I dont understand why they didn't see someone helping Darkshadow in a game... Wouldn't the whispers come up on the screen...? Thats absolute bullshit I'm so angry that WCG allows these things to happen... If he msges to lastshadow only it wont come up on the screen. | ||
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Dvz(Dark)
Panama15 Posts
Number of participants for Brood War in the year 2005: 250!!! Number of participants for Brood War in the year 2008: 6 ??? WHAT? yes! only 6 people why? on 2006 we had about 200 and in 2007 we were 210, how come that now only 6 players compited? All previous years we use to play on an internet cafe, we all played against the computer and the 32 best scores made it to the round of elimination. This year they decided to do an online qualification, what a shame it was impossible for me to play, everything was in a rush there was no time, they anounced the qualification process late, the passwords to go in to Battle.net and GameOn didnt worked I wonder how those 6 guys did to play??? It was painfull it was hell. I am very dissapointed as this year I didnt enjoyed to see friends and players that I only see face to face once a year there was no spirit no soul on the WCG2008 Panama. sad, sad. sad. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
you neglected to mention the outside coverage of wcg though. for an event trying to be the Olympics of video gaming, why is it that its flat out impossible to find out anything about the event? their site is so poorly coded that even when there's nothing on the horizon it still doesn't load properly, let alone during the wcg itself when everyone is trying to look up results. don't even get me started about the stream. its basically impossible to follow wcg unless you're there | ||
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Capuano
United States28 Posts
Be sure to digg the article. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2763 Posts
If I bake shitty pizza's, who the hell is gonna complain? No one, people will just buy someone elses pizza and I will go out of bussiness. Since WCG is not going out of business, appearantly people buy their pizza's. And I don't think people buy pizza's if they don;t like them. Ergo, WCG has no problem. And if some one does not have a problem, they will not change. Since you are the one with the problem, i suggest you change. Not WCG. | ||
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