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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
I'd gleaned from the general attitude towards WCG, and the bits I've read here and there about it that it was bad, but seriously...this is a whole 'nother level. | ||
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parkin
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
Just think of it. CS 1on1? isn't that a team game? The best team in the philippines didn't even compete for the first year because they took the people that were the best of the best when it comes to one on one. Unfortunately, they didn't even have the chemistry to play as a whole and they got their asses whoop. hehe.. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32275 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
Thanks to gondolin for filling in the holes for the war3 part, and Beside_kr for pointing out my mistake! (it was 2006, not 2007) SPILL THE DIRT!!  | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
One of the reasons TSL was so great was that it didn't have to deal with all this shit. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32275 Posts
Argentina has 2 major gaming sites, Alkon and 3DGames. Well we have more, but those 2 are the ones with "more prestige". To make it short, 3dg holds the more mature players usually, the best ones in each game too (cept maybe for CS) and overall has better organization. Argentina didn't get a WCG for the year 2007, so 3dgames gathered some money and sent only a wcg representative (which is the one with decent chances of winning, along with FIFA maybe if im not mistaken). He went, got third in the hardest group, etc. In 2008, everyone wanted argentina to have a decent WCG so Alkon said they would organize it. They got the permission and everything, made online qualifiers in net cafes and some others online. Most qualifiers had entrance fees. Long story short, WCG got cancelled like one week before the finals had to be held? The organization blamed the economic crisis. They said companies didn't want to use money to sponsor, etc. Except for Intel, they said everyone else drew back the money they promised. Anyway, they calculations to pay for trips and stuff were way off, people called to the place where the finals were supposed to be held and they got the manager of the place saying no registrations were settled for that date. Everyone suspects of the organizer running with the money of the qualies, but who knows. Bleh.  | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
So yeah, I'm just saying give it time (maybe 10 or 20 years) and there will be positive change, but not immediately. Feel free to criticize all you want in the meantime though | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
However, WCG has always had some problems that I felt you implied were new and shocking. Local WCG events depend so largely on how hard working the national organizer is, if they suck, they suck I'm afraid. In 2001 the BeNeLux qualifier was largely considered a joke as almost all the players left in protest while gosus like Garak and Pixel ended up representing Netherlands at the finals. Mexico had a similarly bad qualifier that year, familiar with the guy that lost like 10 scvs to Elky's scout and completely misplaced his expansion CC so that it was miles from any mineral patches? I also don't really think it's fair for you to say what game is a "real game" and what isn't. If it really has a decent sized, worldwide community, it should be given a chance. I admit that TH8 was a disaster and DoA4 isn't really a legitimate fighting game but DoA was replaced with VF5 this year and those qualifiers proved to be as sad as the DoA qualifiers with many DoA4 veterans making comebacks simply because there isn't a VF5 community in their country. NFS is taken very seriously in some countries and has professional teams. I don't really have a solution either, ESWC suffers from the same incompetence, maybe if their were more checks and balances organizers like BFES and PGL wouldn't be allowed to continue their reign of incompetence. The Olympics are as commercial as anything I've ever seen but it still has it's dignity, I wonder how it does it. Maybe because there is so many people watching that they would be outraged if the Nike Sack Race was included in the olympics as an event. Maybe people need to get angry at companies like EA, Microsoft and Samsung for having such a heavy hand in the WCG. Or maybe the WCG should just end, but would that be good for the community or E-Sports as a whole? I honestly don't know... By the way, the Warcraft 3 player was from Luxembourg, the Belgian organizer was asked to qualify a player from Luxembourg as well as their Belgian team but only after they had held their qualifiers, they apparently attempted to ask the previous winner (DVD) but he was unable to go or something. It was a really shitty thing to happen to a community and I'm glad the community was so upset. I think it happened this year as well but nami was actually able to go instead of some newb. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
The Olympics is also about money. The difference is, olympics BRING IN money. WCG does not. Countries bribe the Olympic commitee for the chance to invest billions of dollars. The day WCG can get a good audience, plenty of sponsors, and enough money to invest back into a solid infrastructure, will the day this kind of crap won't happen. I think if you want to look at it positively, at least WCG is bringing in big sponsors and promoting esports in general. That's better than nothing, I guess. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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jaesung
124 Posts
OP is keep comparing WCG to an ACTUAL OLYMPIC. WCG is not backed/sponsored by government or country like OLYMPIC does. They dont have money, they do their best to keep things in order. and about wcg omitting some countries.. i dont see how this is WCG fault when your country or sponsors in your country could have helped the players. Seriously, you expecting WCG organize hundres and thousands of players themselves in every country? Well shit, what does your country do? At least WCG is hosting for most of us. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I am really close to the WCG USA people and actually to a certain degree Mr. Lee himself (top korean for WCG). I don't say this as a "look at me" kind of statement but rather as a beacon of hope. I have not-so-subtly told several of the WCG USA people that I want to help them and I think they need it. This is not because they are incompetent or because they have failed. It is because I uniquely know the market from an economic standpoint and a gamer/player standpoint. Paul Brewer comes close as he himself is a gamer and also one of the top WCG USA people who actually cares about the integrity of the competition. Previous to WCG USA he worked for ESPN and ran their Madden competitions where players competed in the very popular game Madden 200X. He however is 1 voice in a sea of people that are a bit older, know a lot less (about games) and care a LOT more about the raw dollar on paper. The aforementioned "corners" that can be cut like $10,000 are constantly being cut because they want to put that money into marketing or straight to the profit margin. I know this for a fact because I discuss things with them on an insider level. I will not go into details because I know/respect those involved and do not want to cause problems for them. The point I am trying to make is that what I have said in the past.. numerous times here and even in face to face talks with said WCG USA people is that WCG will get left in the dust come SC2 if they continue to operate the way they do. This isn't the quite banter of a SC nerd who doesn't know what he is saying. This is the steely cold logic of a person who cares deeply about eSports and knows enough about both sides to evaluate the situation adequately. Already MLG has hijacked top teams in games like Halo, CS and other games. The teams that go to national or even world finals are hardly the very top teams.. often it is the 5-10th teams because the top 4-5 are at another tourney far more prestigious with a bigger cash prize. SC has to go to WCG because we have _nothing_ else (save for TSL, a new element). When SC2 explodes the competetive scene and broadens the market from korea to europe, america and beyond we will see WCG scrambling (too late) to make a mark for itself. People will be talking about the ESPN National SC2 finals or the Samsung Euro Championship. Why does this matter? We have bigger tourneys, so what if WCG falls apart and dies? WCG is where we (sc players) got our roots. They were the ones who brought this game onboard so many years ago and have kept it despite it being an aged game that is far too complex for most people to understand. For all its faults WCG has made SC what it is today. If we didn't have WCG I PROMISE you SC would be dead outside of korea (and very well within) circa 2004-5. We needed WCG and they need us.. it is a symbiotic relationship. The passionate bleeding heart inside me demands that we return the favor and shake them by their shoulders asking them to adapt and reform. TL is the most powerful community website regarding SC. They check this website and they speak to individuals (namely me) about what they can do. I will work my hardest to get them to pay attention.. do your part anyway you can. | ||
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