• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:41
CEST 02:41
KST 09:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia7Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues25LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers?
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion Pros React To: SoulKey's 5-Peat Challenge BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN CPL12 SIGN UP are open!!!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Borderlands 3
Dota 2
LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1158 users

Rings Disgraced - Page 3

Forum Index > Final Edits
152 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
November 06 2008 03:38 GMT
#41
man my image of WCG being a quality product was just utterly destroyed.
guess it was for the better...
Im-JaY
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada69 Posts
November 06 2008 03:40 GMT
#42
I didn't realize that the whole of WCG was this messed up. I thought that it was just a few isolated incidents here and there in the qualifiers, and in some cases a lack of funding. > A very enlightening read. However this doesn't surprise me because as always, it unfortunately comes down to dollar signs.

btw, That is a really cool pic in the OP.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-06 03:48:59
November 06 2008 03:43 GMT
#43
This is the first WCG I've been following so I'm not so sure about the poor tournament setups, but if it's as described it is pretty bad. The game lists for WCG are a joke though. Didn't realize Guitar Hero was actually being included in the tournaments, when I saw it in pictures I thought it was just for people to have fun. Also isn't one of the racing games a cell phone racing games?

Anyways if TL is so upset why not tell their best possible contact to change WCG, Tasteless? He's casting in WCG, lives in Korea, knows people in the proscene, etc. I'm sure if anyone connected to the foreign SC scene has a chance to change WCG it would be him.

On a side note while I'm sure there are more valid fighting games than DOA, but I did see on TV there were progamers that play DOA. The way they live is similar to the way Korean SC progamers live, in dorms , practicing with each other, etc.
Phantom
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada2151 Posts
November 06 2008 03:45 GMT
#44
WCG has become just another e-sports FESTIVAL, the competition is merely for show.
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/members/Phantom
jaesung
Profile Joined November 2006
124 Posts
November 06 2008 03:54 GMT
#45
OP has nicely informed many TL.net community that participant of WCG is nothing but a show maker.

No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
November 06 2008 03:58 GMT
#46
in our country wcg its a disaster.. year after year we waiting for a national qualy and never happens...

its sad for all the gamers around the world dont have a real tournament and organization for test our habilities and knowledge.

i hope tha in a short time, the situation reverts, all want a real e-sport fest!!
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
November 06 2008 04:08 GMT
#47
thanks thedeadhaji,
this was a great, informative read.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
November 06 2008 04:15 GMT
#48
wcg... venezuela wcg is prolly the biggest disgrace loool
w/e
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
November 06 2008 04:16 GMT
#49
I think the main problem is the autonomy given to all the national wcg organisers. It basically is:

WCG Central gives power to local WCG org --> Local WCG org. is run by morons who don't give a fuck about competitive gaming and WCG itself and are there to squeeze some easy bucks --> Morons who don't give a crap about the event itself try to attract sponsors, who can clearly notice this guys have no fucking idea what they are trying to sell them --> they kick moronic representatives out of their offices.

I wonder if WCG Central could get more involved in the local organisers, like send a supervisor or something. But right now their way of acting is more like: let's give them full responsability and see what money they can drag in by fall.

Oh, btw, you guys all realise that the only reason we still have BW in WCG it's because Samsung is the biggest sponsor of WCG(actually I think Samsung owns the majority of WCG)? And not including the national esport would be like not giving the progaming they are so proud of any recognition at all.

Had it not been for Samsung, BW would have been gone from the WCG game lineups a long time ago. Then again, hadn't it been for Samsung, we wouldn't even have WCG in the first place.
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
November 06 2008 04:23 GMT
#50
So true...

I was so angry about WCG Canada.

Quite great article, pretty good read.
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
November 06 2008 04:25 GMT
#51
I enjoyed the article..

However, the comments on the game selection is a little off.. Your obviously going to be biased cause of your game preference, and I will be the first to say that SC BW is the best competitive game ever, but does it really mean other games shouldn't be played internationally?? That's like saying that no games should have a chance but yours.

Halo for example is a pretty established competitive FPS, and there is a clear skill gap between the pros and the am bracket, its not the best FPS ever, and Halo 3 is actually less competitive then Halo 1, but its still a good game. However WCG is a joke as far as halo community is concerned, not a single top 16 team attended from the US, I could have probably came in top three if my team had attended.. Canada had one top 16 team attend... but mostly due to the scheduling. Who schedules a WCG qualifier the same weekend as the playoffs for seeds for the national championships happen in Dallas??? Now the U.S.A., the only place Halo is played as far as the competitive gaming world goes, is not going to medal.. Fail on WCG's part.

Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
gondolin
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
France332 Posts
November 06 2008 04:28 GMT
#52

Thanks to gondolin for filling in the holes for the war3 part, and Beside_kr for pointing out my mistake! (it was 2006, not 2007)


No problem, if you want more information about it, this discussion resume well what happened:
http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-52462.html

+ Show Spoiler +

Frozgard
11-26-2005, 06:52 PM
Some of you may have followed the discussions that arose from the fact that one of the players in WCG apparently had never played a game of Warcraft 3 in his life. This person was representing Luxembourg and was playing under the country's nickname. Here is a bit of information that I managed to glean from forums about gaming in Luxembourg.

First of all, a non-profit organisation called LESF (http://www.lesf.lu/) ( Luxembourg Electronic Sports Federation) contacted the WCG organisers to hold a national qualifier in Luxembourg. By default, only one spot was open for the country, with the possibility of having more spots at the national organiser's expense. Since LESF is pretty new and sponsorship for gaming is hard to come by, they planned to send only one player to Singapour. However, apparently they didn't know which game the spot was for. So they held off organising a qualifier until they would know which game it would be for. Also, they didn't talk about the spot nor the possibility that one gamer may be able to represent the country in the international finals. So nobody except the few organisers knew what was going on at the time.

Then, three days before the WCG Finals were about to start, they recieved confirmation that the spot was in fact for Warcraft III. Now, the organisers didn't publicise this either but in a hurry tried to contact Warcraft 3 players they knew. From what I saw, only a few were contacted and out of these nobody could attend because of the short timeframe and school / work commitments. So in the end they asked around if anybody could go and finally they found this Peter Freitag guy. He had indeed not played any Warcraft before and the only reason he was sent was to not void the ticket.

I'll try and get an official statement from LESF and translate this into English if necessary. The blame lies with them and their inactivity and failure to have any communication at all about the issues they were facing or at least contacting the wider LAN community in Luxembourg. It's a sad story of an inefficient organisation, but at least there doesn't seem to have been a willingness to commit fraud against the War3 community in Luxembourg.

Personnally I'm quite disappointed by the end result and by this failure. I hope the wider Warcraft community will realise that this person's skill doesn't represent the best skill of Warcraft 3 in Luxembourg in any way and that we, the Warcraft 3 players from Luxembourg are the ones who have been really hurt by this turn of events.

As final words, I would like to thank the people who have helped me track down the information I needed to find and all the people who have lent moral support. We all want a fair and square WCG, where players deserve to be there and show the best level their country has to offer. And I hope that this incident will stay isolated, but will still serve as a reminder to those who organise, follow the scene and play Warcraft III.

Frozgard


I don't know if Frozgard is still active, but he was a pretty good and cool orc from luxembourg (although not pro level), and he even got qualified for eswc i think (but he was worth it )
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14898 Posts
November 06 2008 04:32 GMT
#53
good read thanks haji
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
November 06 2008 04:33 GMT
#54
I don't feel so bad for missing '07 when it was in my hometown. I am kinda disgusted with video gaming now.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 06 2008 04:33 GMT
#55
That's why there was no ace combat in the wcg. They only included it when it was exclusive for xbox.

I think Virtua Fighter is included but not too sure about that.

I also agree on some countries not funding their teams. My country hasn't been competing in StarCraft ever since SteelHeart 2-0'ed his group and got 2-0'd by Hwasin, the government said that our players weren't worthy. It wasn't really SteelHeart's fault if he had to go against Hwasin after the group stages. Now they sponsor Guitar Hero (in which we won 2nd place in the South East Asian World Cyber Games).

Even our olympic team didn't get enough funding, I guess its really that corrupted in here.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 06 2008 04:39 GMT
#56
lol you forgot the fact that there is actually CELL PHONE RACING GAME at WCG O_O!
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Felagund
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines504 Posts
November 06 2008 04:40 GMT
#57
On November 06 2008 12:23 jaesung wrote:
too long to read. basically OP is telling us that WCG is disappointed.
OP is keep comparing WCG to an ACTUAL OLYMPIC.
WCG is not backed/sponsored by government or country like OLYMPIC does.
They dont have money, they do their best to keep things in order.

and about wcg omitting some countries.. i dont see how this is WCG fault when your country or sponsors in your country could have helped the players.

Seriously, you expecting WCG organize hundres and thousands of players themselves in every country? Well shit, what does your country do?
At least WCG is hosting for most of us.

So have you read it or not?
TL CJ Entusman #5 "now she is unarmed, u shall go gather ur army, siege ur tanks and her choke and send some vessels to spot her lurkers, at this time she may have defilers so, if u spot some, unsiege and bring fbs" -Ki_Do
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
November 06 2008 04:55 GMT
#58
guitar hero is a legitimately competitive game, in the sense that some people are better than others and it can be pretty impressive to watch someone really good at it. I think it belongs perhaps at a different kind of place, maybe. Like World Bemani Games, if that existed, along with games like DDR, PIU, Pop'n Music, etc. Bemani is just a different genre of game, really. Not sure if it fits in well with all the others at WCG.
NightToad
Profile Joined July 2008
60 Posts
November 06 2008 05:05 GMT
#59
I remember a few years back there was actually online vote for which games should be included. I can't remember which exactly, but most were legitimate titles from each genre.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
November 06 2008 05:14 GMT
#60
Hmmmm... WCG Canada is a bit different. Our organizers are really great people trying their best and they care. So they can be lumped in with the Germans.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech56
NeuroSwarm 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 1343
sSak 64
NaDa 23
Dota 2
monkeys_forever494
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 561
Counter-Strike
fl0m1701
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1021
Other Games
summit1g5088
Grubby3568
XaKoH 103
Mew2King25
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2548
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta49
• musti20045 38
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22078
League of Legends
• Doublelift5343
Other Games
• imaqtpie1122
• Scarra504
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
9h 19m
Maestros of the Game
16h 19m
BSL Team Wars
18h 19m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
1d 10h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.