I Loved Victory (Part Two) - Page 3

On March 08 2008 06:53 Letmelose wrote:
Very, very nice. I have some quibbles on several issues though.

1. You claim that Oov was the most dominating player in history. Many would agree with you (Personally, I'd put him over Savior, don't know enough about Nada and Boxer to judge), but you put WAY too much on these ELO ratings. With greater number of televised matches available nowadays, ELO ratings puts the older gamers at a great disadvantage. That's why we see all these post-2003 performances dominating the rankings. Do you really believe that Nal_Ra's best days was in the year 2006 for example?

2. The emphasis on the individual league titles to belittle Boxer: Boxer stuck with three individual titles? Come on. Boxer was on a roll before his debut on OGN. OSL back then isn't the ultimate tournament to be in like it is today. Boxer himself said that he didn't bother qualifying for the OSL even if he could because there were other tournaments which took less time with better larger cash prizes. Plus, MSL didn't even exist back then. Hell, KPGA tournaments only came into form in 2002. You can argue that we have to the draw a line with all these "non OGN/MBC tournaments" otherwise we'll go all the way back to the days when Giyom was kicking everyone's ass. Except that Giyom's records during his prime is all but gone. Boxer's records are there to be found. They are JAW DROPPING (can't find a link ATM). Just like Oov's. Except that they're not OSL/MSL matches, but that's not Boxer's fault really.

3. And speaking of individual leagues. Much of Oov's "dazzling" figures are the result of non-OGN/MSL matches. Put the statistics of OSL/MSL alone, and Oov's stats become more mortal. Still leagues better than basically 99% of all the gamers out there, but still, not enough to put him a cut above the likes of Nada. Just because the non-OGN/MSL matches of recent days are televised and regarded as "official matches" doesn't mean that they are of any more meaning than matches of the similar nature played two years ago.

4. TLPD: It's one of the best sources for statistic nuts on the web, but it has its faults. GoRush holds the longest winning streakdefinately "offical matches" with 15. If I remember correctly, Yellow is the one with the longest winning streak if we count unofficial matches as well.

On March 07 2008 05:22 ChkChk.Boom wrote:



Ahh, the man who inspired me to start playing terran when i first started.

On March 08 2008 08:03 Plexa wrote:

You raise good points about the validity of elo but i don't see how the greater number of games in this day and age can disadvantage the older gamers? Look at Jaedong for example he has achieved an insane elo today with all the extra games going on. Personally i dont see anything wrong with the amount of emphasis i put on elo. There is essentially no other way of comparison bar quoting records like 77-20 or whatever that statistic was. Elo is merely a supporting tool to demonstrate oov's greatness in another light, and i think thats all that the elo section should be taken as.


That was never meant to belittle boxer by any means. It was merely comparing oov to other gamers that we love and admire. The sheer number of titles oov has is very impressive by any means, and by showing that other gamers never reached the same level of success (except for nada) it once again shows just how much of an impact oov made on the scene. Even if Giyom has way better 1st placings in various non-official tournaments, thats not the point. It is merely trying to present the achievements that oov reached against contemporaries and fan favorites.


I disagree. Look at the three MSLs he first competed in - he lost one series (his frist game against NaDa in trigem) and won all others. His total stats are something like 31-8 which is just sick. He went 5-1 in Gillette OSL before he ran into july, he still ended up with an impressive 10-6 over all. That makes his total stats like 41-14, that isn't impressive? The non-OSL/MSL tournaments were like Proleague, Teamleague, iTv, KT-KTF etc Of these only iTv, Proleague and Teamleague affected oov that much, infact iTv damaged oovs record severely (he met july multiple times).


I'll be honest, im not 100% of the streak record i just remember people making a fuss about Jaedong on the verge of beating oovs win streak record. Thankfully Best stopped the win streak and tied with oov. Whether or not Gorush's record stands in the eyes of whoever made that claim i dont know.