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AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
March 08 2008 20:01 GMT
#61
just finished the read, awsome write-up; your style is almost academic and reads so well. props.
I wrote a song once.
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2751 Posts
March 08 2008 20:33 GMT
#62
Thanks, great read!

Maybe some one could do something like this on more oldschoolers who still participate? I know from TL that they are big names, but I know few about them.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
March 08 2008 21:15 GMT
#63
I'll just nag you just once more. This argument on emphasis on ELO ratings is really just a minor detail that we should maybe just agree to disagree on. Keep up the great work.

The FP thingy is just emphasizing what we already know: Oov is the most successful gamer ever if we only take the two major individual leagues (OSL/MSL) of today into consideration. Only Savior comes a close in that regard. I'm fine on that issue. I know it's basically impossible to make a grading system that is fair on all eras. But that's exactly what I'm arguing. These gradings we see nowdays are based on the gaming scene of today.

I also concede that Oov's rise to success was faster than ANY gamer alive. In fact, Oov's winning percentage was godly from the start and started to fall with his trophy count. His 2003 (his debut year if I remember right) statistics are out of this world. Check out his 2004 statistics though. They're not as high as you'd think they'd be. You talk as if Oov had 90% winning percentage while sweeping all the trophies. That's not true. His crazy records are from his early days when most of his matches were of relatively lower standards (being an official match says nothing about the importance of the game). I'm willing to bet that if we take a similar portion from Boxer or Nada's peaks, we'd see similar percentages. Maybe Oov still comes out on top. I won't be surprised. ELO ratings doesn't persuade me one bit though.

BTW Here's a link I found about Boxer. It's in Korean though.

http://cafe.naver.com/hpeople.cafe?iframe_url=/ArticleRead.nhn?articleid=4153

It's about Boxer's pre-1.08 days which also happens to be a chunk of his pre-OSL days. He was a force to be reckoned with back then too. Take into consideration that OSL was just one of many tournaments (that happened to be televised) back then. FP on PGR will nullify much of his "force" even though much of these tournaments were HUGE back then. They just died out. Doesn't mean they were small back then though.

To summarize.for those of you who don't speak Korean:

Hanbit OSL Qualification/Main tournament 17-1
GameQ Season 3 9-1
ZZGame Invitational 6-0
GGTV 9-3
WCG Qualification/Main tournament 20-0
ITV Ranking Season 3 9-3

Crazy stuff. I'm not sure exactly how the ELO rankings work, but dunno how it managed to calculate all that AND his performances afterwards to a point that doesn't even top Iris' peak (no disprect to Iris of course).
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 08 2008 22:22 GMT
#64
Boxer will always be the most influential, charismatic and loved Terran gamer ever. This article was never meant to knock Boxer or what he did in the 1.07/1.08 days. Sure ELO is a flawed system of measuring stuff, and it excludes stuff like ZZGame Invitational as a special event and is probably really inaccurate the further you go back because of those tournaments weren't considered official.

But, you conceded the point i was trying to get across - oov's rise was the fastest out of any progamer. ELO can never be used as a standalone tool or a principle argument but its great for supporting evidence. And thats what i was using it for here. Sure its inaccurate, sure it doesn't do boxer/grr etc justice, but it still gets across the point. And if you don't feel that ELO is suited for this purpose, then you are probably more than justified to think so; i probably could have used the PGR Force graph instead or something similar to illustrate the point; but at the end of the day it gives additional insight into the winrate of oov and thats pretty much it (e.g. he peaked before he won his OSL, like, way before)
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Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
March 09 2008 09:00 GMT
#65
<3 Kiwis

You did a awsomejob with this

SKt did wrong to kick aficionado as manager, he was always best man in team and he could never be replaced by oov.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
March 09 2008 09:08 GMT
#66
Wow, 27-0 streak vs. zerg? That's just ridiculous.

Great article, long live iloveoov!
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 09 2008 10:35 GMT
#67
On March 09 2008 18:00 Ilvy wrote:
<3 Kiwis

You did a awsomejob with this

SKt did wrong to kick aficionado as manager, he was always best man in team and he could never be replaced by oov.
Totally agreed, aficionado is a talent magnet ^^ any smart team (hello soul?) would hire him instantly
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AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
March 09 2008 16:11 GMT
#68
omfg i almost cry =(!
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
March 10 2008 09:41 GMT
#69
Request
Does anyone know where the picture of oov's stat that i think pop once posted is at? It showed him all scary with like everything in the 70%s
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Schiller
Profile Joined March 2006
Germany308 Posts
March 10 2008 23:55 GMT
#70
According to TLDP GoRush had 15 Wins in row... is that right?
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
March 11 2008 01:33 GMT
#71
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iloveoov / Flash / Fantasy / Midas / Boxer -BW forever
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
March 11 2008 05:06 GMT
#72
On March 11 2008 10:33 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
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Godly <33
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
March 11 2008 15:22 GMT
#73
AMAZING ARTICLE
I will eat you alive
bahhh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States888 Posts
March 12 2008 18:37 GMT
#74
Savior came close, as did Nada and Jaedong, but they all failed. He truly was the Monster Terran.


stopped reading there.
proA.June91
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Vietnam445 Posts
March 13 2008 03:57 GMT
#75
:-?
how could you know it all?
such an amazing guy, both you and oov ^^!
I love it
Fear is not what I'll get. It is what I've created myself
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
March 13 2008 06:04 GMT
#76
On March 13 2008 03:37 bahhh wrote:
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Savior came close, as did Nada and Jaedong, but they all failed. He truly was the Monster Terran.


stopped reading there.


Maybe if you read a little more you'll see why Jaedong was mentioned :/
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TheRaven
Profile Joined March 2008
China8 Posts
March 17 2008 01:55 GMT
#77
Thanks a lot. I learned much reading your article. I used to imitate iloveoov's style without knowing its meaning. Now I know some.
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amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
March 17 2008 22:17 GMT
#78
very very nice read
pzeta
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Spain106 Posts
March 18 2008 16:34 GMT
#79
great read, thank you
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
March 25 2008 03:21 GMT
#80
Great read. Though I disagree with your praise's of Jaedong. Obviously hes Bonjwa, and a top tier player. But hes relatively new at that. He's been the top player, for how long? Only a few months really. I think its too soon to say Jaedong came close to surpassing Oov's level of dominance. Hell, its too soon to say hes surpassed Saviors or Nada's. Hes just begun his career as Bonjwa! And already there is a contender who could potentially knock him from the spot. Just my 2 cents. GREAT read though.
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