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God of the Battlefield: Part 1 - Page 26

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v3ctor
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada53 Posts
May 25 2011 05:08 GMT
#501
Ver writing bonjwa!
Makes me wish I was watching BW during Savior's run.
MeteorRise
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada611 Posts
May 25 2011 05:09 GMT
#502
Damn it. This feels too bittersweet. Just can't forget the match fixing that ruined his greatness.
Elegance, in all things.
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
May 25 2011 05:11 GMT
#503
a great post...

i almost cry over my keyboard, so many emotions come to me.. and not all are good...

why savior!!


why!!!!!!!!
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
May 25 2011 05:12 GMT
#504
On May 25 2011 13:58 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
Though he will never again play competitively, we recognize that he played at a level that may never be reached again


LOL -- this is pure bullshit. Respect where it's due -- he won a few tournaments in his time, and had a decent win-rate, I guess -- but this article way overhypes him and is so exaggerated it's almost hyperbole. Savior isn't even in the running for "best player ever". He was washed up and slumping for at least two years before he finally "retired". His BEST year is lower than flash's overall winrate for his ENTIRE CAREER.

"He played at a level that may never be reached again" -- god I hope not. Even B-team scrubs are now better than savior ever was.

Wow, calm down man. Read these few things:

1. The author is not saying that Savior is better skill-wise than anyone; as you said, there are many B-teamers now who are better than Savior, which was why he was barely seen towards the end of his career.

2. Savior gave birth to the term "Bonjwa". His win-rate and such isn't incredibly impressive from some angles, I suppose. However, it's the incredible sense of DOMINANCE that created the legend. Savior was on FIRE at one point. Go check the MSL records, and LOOK. UZOO MSL to the Pringles 2 MSL. 4 consecutive finals, 3 wins, 1 loss in a ZvZ final. Then immediately goes on to win an OSL. You want to talk about "Bonjwa"s... Savior defined the word, and it was then assigned to the 3 terran legends preceding him. Add this to the way he revolutionized ZvT... and you've got something incredibly rare: someone who revolutionizes and DOMINATES at the same time. Hence the writer's stance.

Anyway, I thought this was a fantastic article. One of the best reads I think I've had all year. Excellent excellent excellent quality, and a very very saddening piece.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
ToastedBagel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada90 Posts
May 25 2011 05:12 GMT
#505
This is amazing, I was just starting to get into Savior's replays too. Honestly one of the most interesting things I've read on TL.

So, when is part 2 coming? I am very excited!
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
May 25 2011 05:14 GMT
#506
This reminds me of how some movies got their release pushed back until well after September 11.

Worth the wait!
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
May 25 2011 05:15 GMT
#507
I still cant believe savior did something like what he did..

Amazing, i mean a-m-a-z-i-n-g article. Forever Bonjwa!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria911 Posts
May 25 2011 05:18 GMT
#508
sick write up Ver!

p.s. I want a rematch now that I am better
Livin' this life like it was written.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
May 25 2011 05:21 GMT
#509
It's actually sad seeing some of those posts in here about the matchfixing scandal who don't really understand how it all went down.

Recommended read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
TL+ Member
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2269 Posts
May 25 2011 05:23 GMT
#510
about 3 or 4 years ago i was playing on US West, with some korean clanmates while watching sAviOr vs NaDa SuperFight, we were talking about the game, and one of the korean guys says :"That zerg player is perfect"

that resumes savior's era... sAviOr played PERFECTLY...

its like todays FlaSh..
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
May 25 2011 05:23 GMT
#511
can't wait for part 2.

awesome article. too bad for me i only started following bw around 2008 and was only able to see his decline =[ kinda like how i missed the jordan era too. shame
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 05:29:05
May 25 2011 05:27 GMT
#512
On May 25 2011 13:53 BreatheDeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 13:03 yayitsjae wrote:
pretty sure most of his games were fixed. you can't trust this guy anymore now that he got caught..


Give the guy credit, he was the bisu of zvt and zvp, guys a legend. the match fixing prolly came afterwards as an easy way to get money, people do it in all sorts of other things too, everyone is human.

savior was the bisu of zvp... his win rate in zvp made zvp look unfair like tvz looked unfair at the time, What made savior ZvT awe-inspiring was that during a time when top zerg couldn't muster up a win half the time savior could do so better then most terran could win at tvz and he could do so very convincingly usually crushing the terran.

The match fixing was probably just to keep up a life style he could no longer support when he couldn't muster up title after title
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66159 Posts
May 25 2011 05:29 GMT
#513
this is the best BW i've probably seen on TL. amazingly accurate and well-observed article. i love it!

btw, just to add on. another reason why the break against the "Iron Curtain" for iloveoov vs sAviOr was also because of the army positioning. If you notice how sAviOr slowly breaks apart the Iron Curtain, it wasn't smashing units from one single direction. It was spread out, such that lings won't die too much from splash damage from tanks that were attacking the ultras. Ultras attacked not as a bunch, but separated. If you also notice, they attacked from a wide angle, from top to bottom, all spread out. Tank splash wasn't concentrated, which allowed lings to get close and thus, use the tanks' splash against itself.

Brilliant article, this is a masterpiece. No one can ever deny the feats that sAviOr accomplished, and this article will shut the doubters up. Ma Jae Yoon 4 lyfe.
POGGERS
SeeiSee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
May 25 2011 05:30 GMT
#514
That was an insane article and a great read. Read the whole thing and then watched all the VODs. I wasn't around during that time but thats alright, reliving this kind of thing is the best
Do you see what I see?
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 25 2011 05:30 GMT
#515
he is/was such an amazing player. its such a dissapointment he threw it all away with the match fixing : (
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
May 25 2011 05:31 GMT
#516
I miss ipxzerg
beach beers buds beezies b-b-b-baaanelings
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
May 25 2011 05:32 GMT
#517
MJY brought me to BW and nearly drove me from it. I love him and hate him in equal measure and in the end of the day I can not look on him with distaste. He is the true bonjwa, the leader of the swarm, and the maestro. I cried when I found out about the scandal and nothing about broodwar can be the same. But.......
It doesn't matter, any day, at any time I'd take him back. Nothing compares to Savior. I can't help but feel like Flash's god-line is trash, because I loved Savior. And despite everything I still do. He was my way into Starcraft and that's all that matters.

Ma Jae Yoon. You failed me. And nothing will be the same.
But, what can I say. You were the greatest, and I can't take that from you.
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
PBC
Profile Joined March 2011
167 Posts
May 25 2011 05:35 GMT
#518
On May 25 2011 13:58 integral wrote:
Show nested quote +
Though he will never again play competitively, we recognize that he played at a level that may never be reached again


LOL -- this is pure bullshit. Respect where it's due -- he won a few tournaments in his time, and had a decent win-rate, I guess -- but this article way overhypes him and is so exaggerated it's almost hyperbole. Savior isn't even in the running for "best player ever". He was washed up and slumping for at least two years before he finally "retired". His BEST year is lower than flash's overall winrate for his ENTIRE CAREER.

"He played at a level that may never be reached again" -- god I hope not. Even B-team scrubs are now better than savior ever was.

... savior in his prime was showing dominance over his fellow peers. what he did in his golden years was what Flash is currently doing. Of course brood war evolved, but I think when the author says Savior was one of the best, he was referring to his [savior's] peers. You're taking Savior out of context and time period. It would be like saying boxer sucks because practice partners can beat him.

frosecold
Profile Joined January 2011
Venezuela76 Posts
May 25 2011 05:39 GMT
#519
Fair enough
Being a pro its not easy at all, i know it,i cant be one
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
May 25 2011 05:41 GMT
#520
On May 25 2011 14:12 Keone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 13:58 integral wrote:
Though he will never again play competitively, we recognize that he played at a level that may never be reached again


LOL -- this is pure bullshit. Respect where it's due -- he won a few tournaments in his time, and had a decent win-rate, I guess -- but this article way overhypes him and is so exaggerated it's almost hyperbole. Savior isn't even in the running for "best player ever". He was washed up and slumping for at least two years before he finally "retired". His BEST year is lower than flash's overall winrate for his ENTIRE CAREER.

"He played at a level that may never be reached again" -- god I hope not. Even B-team scrubs are now better than savior ever was.

Wow, calm down man. Read these few things:

1. The author is not saying that Savior is better skill-wise than anyone; as you said, there are many B-teamers now who are better than Savior, which was why he was barely seen towards the end of his career.

2. Savior gave birth to the term "Bonjwa". His win-rate and such isn't incredibly impressive from some angles, I suppose. However, it's the incredible sense of DOMINANCE that created the legend. Savior was on FIRE at one point. Go check the MSL records, and LOOK. UZOO MSL to the Pringles 2 MSL. 4 consecutive finals, 3 wins, 1 loss in a ZvZ final. Then immediately goes on to win an OSL. You want to talk about "Bonjwa"s... Savior defined the word, and it was then assigned to the 3 terran legends preceding him. Add this to the way he revolutionized ZvT... and you've got something incredibly rare: someone who revolutionizes and DOMINATES at the same time. Hence the writer's stance.

Anyway, I thought this was a fantastic article. One of the best reads I think I've had all year. Excellent excellent excellent quality, and a very very saddening piece.


You actually have to be there to absorb the moment I guess. July was the first zerg that I followed with any regularity, and when July said that he was nothing compared to Yellow, I wanted to study Yellow inside out. What he achieved and what was said about him made the cause all the more great.

But whenever I try to start off the journey by watching Coca-Cola OSL finals of 2001, I just can't appreciate the game for what it is. All I end up doing is judging the game with a modern-eye and laugh at the players for how terrible they are compared to players of today. What Savior has done during his peak was something very special, and someone who has skipped all the drama, the circumstances involved during that time just can't appreciate the full experience simply by checking out the TLPD statistics and watching some VODs. High calibre articles like these go a long way in capturing some of the moment, but you can't force someone to understand why Savior's glory days are so fondly remembered.
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