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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 22 2007 05:53 GMT
#21
Bisu's army position during the last battle was fucking flawless

He boldly stood mid-map with an army that couldn't fight Hwasin's consolidated force, waiting for Hwasin to try and bring his new goliaths to his tanks. Bisu caught Hwasin with his pants down through impeccable positioning, and his perfect storms ensured that Hwasin couldn't just walk his goliaths away.

Beautiful game by Bisu, I was in awe of his prowess during both the second and third games of that series.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
GuYuTe-
Profile Joined February 2005
United States550 Posts
October 22 2007 06:24 GMT
#22
On October 22 2007 11:28 Wizard wrote:
"Well that did a lot of damage"
"Shut up, or I'm not taking you home"

<3


Warranted a true LOL.
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
October 22 2007 06:25 GMT
#23
Hwasin vs. Bisu is not fun to watch, Bisu just owns him.... even if Hwasin gets an advantage.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
October 22 2007 06:29 GMT
#24
i just saw this. wow what a quick writeup.
i had an orgasm.
thought bisu lost for sure. so sure. where the fuck did he get his army from.
Lhyviathan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Australia975 Posts
October 22 2007 06:29 GMT
#25
Marvellous game analysis, OP.
Nal_rA = The Fourth Race
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
October 22 2007 06:50 GMT
#26
Awesome writeup ! I just love the pics.
I'm downloading the game now, really looking forward into watching it.

I have a feeling Bisu vs Hwasin will become one of the main duels on the korean scene.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 22 2007 07:35 GMT
#27
I think there are still players that can beat Bisu. Offcourse he is a great player which always finds gaps, but take for example KwanrO. He didn't have alot of ZvP so Bisu will not know his style very well, he can't analyze before the bo5 set. He will have to analyze ingame which is very hard.

Kwanro is new and has alot of passion. He still is the underdog :D!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 22 2007 07:43 GMT
#28
Both games were absolutely awesome to watch live. Some fearless moves by the Bruce Lee Toss there, and Hwasin fought one hell of a game two. I sure as hell hope this becomes a major rivalry, because neither disappointed this time around.
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betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
October 22 2007 08:01 GMT
#29
I really liked the third game in the set because it really demonstrated thins about the pvt matchup that I have always believed should be true, but never seem to come to fruition - the biggest of these for me is that terran is slow but powerful whereas protoss is fast and adaptable - which is why I like protoss, and am always mortified when terran wins with a slow unstoppable, unimaginative push.

I think the last game showed it properly because hwasin had a huge attack but it was so far away from is own base that the counter attack was so swift and effective that terran has no time to reposition himself. my favourite moment was when the carriers of bisu leave their defense of the expansion early - when more damage could be done to the invading army in favour of a counter attack which is far more devastating, with the idea: "his whole army is here now, I can finish him off before he even gets back." however, I think hwasin would have won if he had pulled some of his arms back quicker, when it was clear that the top expansion was dead - he over committed.

to me, this is what sc should be - too much of the time it depends on single battles and jostleing for position with huge armies, and harassment. but this was more like a sacrifice in chess - or like overbalancing someone in a judo match using their own momentum against them.

zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
October 22 2007 08:03 GMT
#30
After Bisu won the 2nd game so clearly even though his reaver did zero damage I was totally convinced he would take the series. I would have gg'ed just by looking at Bisu at the beginning of game 3. He just LOOKED invincible, it was scary.

During the game I never thought for a second Bisu could lose this. I think this is pretty much what the OP described. If you had looked at a still just before a battle, unit / supply count, upgrades etc you would have said, yea, sure, Terran's gonna win this. But watching the game it just felt to me like Bisu was totally dominating the game, even at the OMG that's all Bisu's got moment.

As far as beating Bisu is concerned: It will take a player as close to perfection as Bisu is. After this series, I don't see any player who could achieve this in the near future.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
October 22 2007 08:19 GMT
#31
Imho Hwasin lost it when he decided to "just" vult harrass after properly defending vs the DT drops. Had he done a timing push ASAP Bisu would have had a really hard time defending, and -at least- couldn't have gone carriers.

But Hwasin hardly ever does any timing attack at all. :/
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Red_Dragon
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Croatia2862 Posts
October 22 2007 09:21 GMT
#32
It was so amazing when Bisu engaged Hwasins superior army many times and he managed to kill more than he should have. It is so hard to believe. One thing I noticed when watching that game live. Bisu is not even aware of the size of Hwasins army, he first pulls his guys back, but then like he said to himself fuck it. He engages in the fight and yet somehow kills good amount of terran force. This guy (Bisu) is so confident in his skill, macro and micro. Amazing player to watch.

Bisu reminds me much of Ra at the peak of his carer. I still remember how Ra could (greatly outnumbered) just obliterate NaDa`s army. Ra could do so much damage with so little units thanks to his great micro. It makes you think no one else than Ra could have done that. Bisu does the same thing.
Climbing walls of an endless circle
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
October 22 2007 10:10 GMT
#33
Steve is so right. I forgot to mention Bisu's AMAZING positioning in that last minute. Had Hwasin been able to properly flank and consolidate his forces in proper position in the middle, Bisu would've been so fucked.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
Lhyviathan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Australia975 Posts
October 22 2007 10:59 GMT
#34
I FULLY endorse this thread's elevation to featured status.
Nal_rA = The Fourth Race
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5298 Posts
October 22 2007 11:10 GMT
#35
"Far from the worn path of reason
Further away from the sane
He battles his shadows and demons
Fighting to light the way

And the dust and the dirt cloud his vision
Onward he rides unafraid
He fights the good fight for good reason
A star that refuses to fade"
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
wAVEland
Profile Joined May 2007
Germany169 Posts
October 22 2007 11:41 GMT
#36
On October 22 2007 10:55 Oxygen wrote:
I have never had a favorite player; I always liked to root for the underdog, and never really liked the most dominating player on the scene. Bisu has changed that for me. He has so much flair that I can't help liking him.

I whole heartedly agree with this one.
Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
October 22 2007 12:33 GMT
#37
On October 22 2007 17:19 PoP wrote:
Imho Hwasin lost it when he decided to "just" vult harrass after properly defending vs the DT drops. Had he done a timing push ASAP Bisu would have had a really hard time defending, and -at least- couldn't have gone carriers.

But Hwasin hardly ever does any timing attack at all. :/


Yes, that's what I thought too. Bisu actually took a big gamble there. After his DT drop did almost no damage, he immediately expanded 2 times.
Hwasin didn't attack until much later. This means Bisu was able to get back into the game (he obviously was at a disadvantage by going fast DT drop against strong DT defense).
saranghaeCY-
Profile Joined October 2007
United States446 Posts
October 22 2007 13:16 GMT
#38
nice write-up !
~
sohee_pink
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Philippines447 Posts
October 22 2007 13:22 GMT
#39
HwaSIn ....oh well...hopefully next time?
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
October 22 2007 13:42 GMT
#40
Well that's the problem with Hwasin's highly precise play. It's highly precise because that's what he ALWAYS does. I'm not saying he should cheese now and then, but one who's seen many of his VODs will most likely be able to feel Hwasin's moves. Not like Bisu, of course, but one will have a general idea of what he'll do next. He always pushes when he has a certain number of tanks and a certain number of vults, with little variations. He never goes anything other than 1 fact expand, which is just a shame because if you look at his unit control early game it's horrifying. I bet that if this guy would go 2 fact (or even 3) in TvP he could take down A LOT of players in less than 10 minutes. Especially since everyone is expecting 1-fact-expo.

I didn't like Hwasin that much, because he's too predictable, but his unit controll is extremely good... too bad he's really predictable.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
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