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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
On February 25 2007 14:18 Highways wrote: Cause most people here are terran loving idiots Terran has been on top for the longest time let the other races have some fun >.> anyways GOOOOOO savior when are msl finals? | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Didn't July come to 4 OSL finals and won 2 of them? Savior has only come to 1 and won 1. | ||
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J_RIGGED
United States10 Posts
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On February 25 2007 05:49 gravity wrote: Watching July muta-ling micro at his best and it's all "hell yeah, this is rape, how the hell did he kill so many M&M", watching Savior's muta-ling micro veers from "pretty good" to "please stop fucking up, Savior". (Savior is better than July for other reasons of course.) gravity you must be kidding me. you could argue that julys muta micro might be better, but there is no way julys is clearly better than saviors. i couldnt' find where you said that savior didnt kill much with his mutas, but anyway, you just dont understand what terrans have been doing recently vs savior. did you watch iris's builds in the semifinal? his build in most, if not ALL of those games were aimed at stopping muta harass. many rax early, super fast vessel tech. and then im pretty sure you didnt watch his games vs hwasin either. for example, the game on blitz, hwasin built like 200 turrets. when terrans do that, you're just not going to get many kills with your mutas. did you ever watch his games vs oov? when those 2 first started playing, savior picked him apart with his muta micro. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On February 25 2007 16:37 Tien wrote: BTW, where does Julyzerg come into this? Didn't July come to 4 OSL finals and won 2 of them? Savior has only come to 1 and won 1. July was the one that proved that zerg could win at the very, very highest level of play, but he never dominated like savior. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
This is worse than Oov ever could have hoped to be. EDIT: Just so you all know, yes this post is a joke, but I really do hate seeing him win.  | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
the fact that he wins so often in deciding game3's and game5's just shows how psychologically strong he is. everyone else seems to feel the pressure in those situations and savior doesn't. like michael jordan, tiger woods, and federer, he is the absolute BEST ace finisher, he always hits the game winning shot, wins on the final day, beats his opponent in the finals, etc. someone needs to compile every savior boX and see his record in the final deciding games, it has to be something like 10-1 | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On February 25 2007 01:58 jkillashark wrote: sAviOr plays StarCraft so perfectly. That is why I don't like him being on the top. WHAT?????? sAviOr plays Zerg so perfectly. I can't see how anybody could take more than 30% of games from him. He's just too good. He plays StarCraft so perfect hat it's BORING. Even the aggressive 9 pool build sAviOr manages to build a huge economy Zerg. Zerg used to be about low eco high micro attacks. sAviOr with his perfect play has turned Zerg into a heavy macro race just like Terran and Protoss. sAviOr executes his micro perfectly just like all the other pros. His macro is the best of all the Zerg by far. So why does he continue to bore me game after game? It's because he plays so safely. BoxeR excited the world with his amazing micro. He played such a flawful game and still won. He microed when the match was on the line. If he didn't dodge that lurker spine he could potentially lose the game. Having that on the line is what made his games so exciting. He played such a dangerous game of StarCraft and won. sAviOr plays such a safe way of StarCraft and wins. Goodness gracious how boring. I think sAviOr is an amazing player. This doesn't mean I like to watch him. I think watching sAviOr is just boring. Cool, he has art defiler usage. Cool, his muta micro is like Shark/July. Cool, his scourge usage is crazy. Cool, he plays with an enormous economy. sAviOr is amazing. Amazingly BORING. Having boring players own the crown is like having Italy as the World Cup champions again. (Italy plays some pretty boring football in my opinion. Oh and I'm not associating sAviOr as a defensive player because Italy plays boring defensive football. I'm just comparing them to him because they both bore me.) I honestly think it's not good that he's number 1. The more sAviOr games I see the more lame this sAviOr is boring argument is sounding. For a start there's the contention that he only plays macro -heavy games. In this season's MSL quarter-final against Justin he zergling-rushed him not once but twice! He also managed to win using guardians against Midas which these days is pretty damn rare. Of course, his favourite build is 3-hatch - muta harass which has been so effective. But look how many terrans throw out the same old FE- Sk terrran sci vessel abuse every single time. They've all become clones of each other. Against terran FE unless zerg also FE's they'll most of the time lose, which is only entertaining if you're a fan of the terran player. Its like zerg players are only meant to be entertaining when they try some risky strategy against a safe terran strat and lose. But this is what it comes down to really isn't it. Why can't people just admit the real reason they don't like him is because he took down some of their heroes? If you think game 5 vs Iris and game 1 vs Nada were boring perhaps you should be watching Warcraft. | ||
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DTDominion
United States2148 Posts
Savior never explicitly attacks or defends. He merely does what's necessary to extract a GG from his opponent. Sometimes attacking is how he defends his assets. Sometimes defending is how he further chokes his opponent. The tactics haven't changed that much. July used Defilers and Mutalisks well before Savior. I had previously wondered why Zergs didn't use 3 Hatch Mutas more. But Savior put it all together in a blend unlike anything anyone has ever seen before. | ||
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VenetianSnares
Netherlands292 Posts
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
On February 25 2007 23:05 DTDominion wrote: I think what everyone's missing is that Savior is changing StarCraft in a way that Napoleon changed western warfare. Partly true, though let's not forget that Napoleon's genius made him lose touch with reality towards the end of his rule, whereas Savior seems to have no such trouble. | ||
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Evilmonkey.
United States1628 Posts
My thread got featured! ^_^ | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
On February 25 2007 23:56 VenetianSnares wrote: SaviOr is the true Magician of Management these days, controling the gameflow like a puppetmaster. | ||
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sweatpants
United States940 Posts
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VenetianSnares
Netherlands292 Posts
On February 26 2007 00:20 The Storyteller wrote: Partly true, though let's not forget that Napoleon's genius made him lose touch with reality towards the end of his rule, whereas Savior seems to have no such trouble. Who says we're towards the end of saviors domination though? It's true most of the past greats have went into some kind of slump after taking their first OSL (apart from boxer), but we'll just have to wait and see if the same thing happens to savior aswell. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 25 2007 23:05 DTDominion wrote: I think this is more of a result of timing and strategic balance than anything else. I'm sure savior would not waste one second of game time standing still, and he will attack when he has a certain advantage, and usually he will attack at the exact moment or crest of this advantage, making it seem like he is making limited strikes. I think what everyone's missing is that Savior is changing StarCraft in a way that Napoleon changed western warfare. Savior never explicitly attacks or defends. He merely does what's necessary to extract a GG from his opponent. Sometimes attacking is how he defends his assets. Sometimes defending is how he further chokes his opponent. The tactics haven't changed that much. July used Defilers and Mutalisks well before Savior. I had previously wondered why Zergs didn't use 3 Hatch Mutas more. But Savior put it all together in a blend unlike anything anyone has ever seen before. | ||
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muramasa
Canada1299 Posts
Right now, it may be a little bit boring. But, when someone does come along and smacks Savior around, it'll be huge. For instance, if Bisu somehow manages to beat Savior in the MSL finals, it will be the single greatest thing ever to happen. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13004 Posts
There was a time when I thought Boxer would never lose and there was a time when I thought Oov would never lose. Guess what? They both started losing! In as much as Boxer and Oov lost interest, they also forced the competition to grow stronger. People had to find ways to get better so they could beat the juggernauts of the time, and look where it has taken BW. Savior is soso good, but he won't win forever. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19133 Posts
On February 25 2007 22:19 Hot_Bid wrote: its funny nobody was complaining about defiler balance until savior if you watch the nada vs yarnc game where yarnc gets to defilers on the same map you will see how much stronger savior is in the other aspects instead of just abusing one unit. savior's defiler use is the best of all time, but it's merely and end result of all the other stuff he does. he works and works and works to set himself up for those few defilers, and then counts on absolute perfect usage of them. ^ Word I remember loads of people saying "but Nada won't lose his vessels like Midas/Hwasin/Iris did!" But he did, twice. In both games that it really got to that level, he lost them. Even the first one he built in game one at his initial assault. This makes me wonder when people will see that it's not *luck* or even sloppiness on the terrans part most of the time. Savior sets up the most sick flank and as he takes out/engages the grouped army below while he plagues/scourges down almost a control group of vessels. I'll stress it, he does practically *every* endgame vs terrans. That first game vs nada where he did the plague get irradiated, double consume plague again with which he got all the vessels just shows the kind of determination and punctuality which earns him those monster vessel kills. The man always have exactly the right number of scourges at the right time in the right places. you gotta give him some credit for that, and more then a bit imho. The way he handles terran vessels makes his defiler usage just that much stronger and he prevails where other zergs crumble and die endgame to the endless torrent of irradiates which wears them down. Especially when the minerals start to run low or theres a comparatively low stream of income for both players. Like Hot_Bid said, the man sets himself up for the strike. He starts working towards that coup de grace from the second he hatches in with those first 4 drones. He's a strategist, a general and not a hero  .I won't even go into the psychological aspect Savior brings to his games and how he totally ownz that shizznizzle. He forces people into making mistakes by his play, comments, everything. He is playing the match already when doing an interview or w/e for example in his mind. He grabs every opportunity he gets to influence his opponent with both hands and WORKS it. P.s. I totally found myself in that comment that Savior doesn't have a definable style. I'd define his play more as " intuitively" and " reactively" with the maps and his opponent in mind. Savior plays versus someone, while most people play themselves and the way they are and how their style develloped. It's a kind of superfluous instinctive playstyle, and imho it's really suiting to the race in question. Beastzerg ftw, RAWR!! :D | ||
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