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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
May 23 2018 12:58 GMT
#4681
Rematch curse strikes again, good for Zest, showing better games the second time around.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
May 23 2018 14:49 GMT
#4682
RO8 again is good, Rogue and soO will be tough but if its innovation or dear I think they are beatable for Zest.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-23 16:11:34
May 23 2018 16:10 GMT
#4683
My money is on Innovation. He's better than Dear straight up, soO can't really ZvT and I don't believe in Rogue at all right now. That's not the worst draw for Zest.

Honestly the one I'm most worried about from that group is soO. He's a great ZvPer and goes into overdrive in knockout stages. The other three are all doable.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
bestiszest
Profile Joined March 2015
France103 Posts
May 23 2018 18:11 GMT
#4684
I'm not a believer either I even think Rogue could be Zest best match up out of the four
Kt Rolster Zest and TY myboys freaking teamkills :'(
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
May 23 2018 19:00 GMT
#4685
It is easy to dismiss rogue based on online results, but in the ro32 he easily won vs stats for example. Ofc in the past rogue never made a big run in gsl, so there is that. :D
I am just really pessimistic about Zest in general, i definitely need a great offline run to really see him as a contender for anything again. Hopefully!
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Adastrom
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada219 Posts
May 23 2018 21:41 GMT
#4686
On May 24 2018 03:11 bestiszest wrote:
I'm not a believer either I even think Rogue could be Zest best match up out of the four


I think inno is slightly better for zest given pvt is his best mu atm. I don't think inno is in his tip form either , tho hes close
Lol pvz
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-23 23:15:57
May 23 2018 23:08 GMT
#4687
On May 24 2018 01:10 Olli wrote:
My money is on Innovation. He's better than Dear straight up, soO can't really ZvT and I don't believe in Rogue at all right now. That's not the worst draw for Zest.

Honestly the one I'm most worried about from that group is soO. He's a great ZvPer and goes into overdrive in knockout stages. The other three are all doable.


Happy to see that Zest advanced, even if it was via the rematch curse. I have to agree with Olli on this one. Rogue is probably the strongest player in Group B, but the way the group is set up makes me think that Inno has the best chance of advancing first.

Which leads us to Zest vs Inno in the Ro8, a matchup with a long history. They have a very close lifetime record, but paradoxically, whenever they meet it tends to be rather onesided. Last time it was Zest that got the better end of that onesidedness, but with the recent Terran buffs I'd hesitate to predict the same result again. The largest concern for Zest is probably adapting to the new meta, something he doesn't exactly have the best record with. Zest likes his Colossi in PvT, and I'd theorycraft that the PvT meta is definitely shifting away from Colossi after the Marauder+Viking buffs.

I'm a big fan of both players though, so I'm pretty conflicted about it.
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Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 24 2018 03:47 GMT
#4688
Zest sent Inno home in the rd of 16 last time and he will send Inno home again if they meet in the rd of 8.

Unlike pvsnp I'm not conflicted at all. I want Zest to destroy him.
bestiszest
Profile Joined March 2015
France103 Posts
May 24 2018 06:25 GMT
#4689
I feel like Zest matches alright vs Rogue because his freaking good at defending all ins (especilly nydus)
And idk about his PvT either, it's been a long since I've seen him playing terrans, even in online cups.

Anyway we will know in a few days!
Kt Rolster Zest and TY myboys freaking teamkills :'(
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
May 24 2018 21:32 GMT
#4690
He beat Rogue a few times recently, and he can kill Inno aswell. Its Soo who iam afraid of for Zest.
Plopus
Profile Joined November 2014
Switzerland112 Posts
May 26 2018 06:31 GMT
#4691
Zest vs Dear is quite hard to predict. I know Zest's PvP is not the best at the moment althrough he did well against Patience (or Patience did poorly). But I don't remember when I saw Dear playing against a strong Protoss for the last time. Maybe it was he GSL season 1 where he did poorly against Protoss (Classic, SoS).
We will see!
ADTempys
Profile Joined December 2017
Finland60 Posts
May 26 2018 08:16 GMT
#4692
Zest vs Dear history is super Zest favored I'm very confident
Zest is Best
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
May 26 2018 08:18 GMT
#4693
Zest couldn't have got a better outcome to be honest. Just has to stop himself going sOs dark shrine mind games in PvP thats how he lost super tournament.
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 26 2018 08:28 GMT
#4694
Dear is 12-10 vs Protoss this calender year. That includes wins over Nice, Cloudy, Cyan, Trust and JYP. If you consider Showtime and Creator as top tier his record vs top tier Protoss is just 7-10.

He's played Zest twice and they each won one.

In GSL season 1 he got to the rd of 16 by beating Byul twice. Then he went out 0-2 in the rd of 16 losing to Maru and Gumiho.

Seems like Dear is deadly against Zergs but not as much vs the other 2 races. I'm giving Zest a slight edge.

Rogue basically blew it vs Dear. He had a hundred army supply advantage and still lost. Give Dear credit for resourcefulness making that dark shrine. The DTs chipped away at Rogue's worker count while giving him time to close the gap in army supply.



Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 26 2018 08:31 GMT
#4695
Zest is a better PvPer than Dear. The question is does he show that or not.

He's also a better PvPer than herO for example but seemed lost in the super cup
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 26 2018 13:41 GMT
#4696
Could have been a worse draw all things considered. Dear is supposedly really good right now, though, so certainly won't be easy. Still, it's a PvP, a lot can happen.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 26 2018 13:59 GMT
#4697
On the plus side there's a very good chance we get an all protoss side of the bracket. Given that D1 will almost certainly be Stats/sOs, and C2 will likely be either Classic or Trap.

If that is the case then Zest should be practicing nothing but PvP and he is historically better than the others when that happens.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-28 10:37:56
May 28 2018 10:35 GMT
#4698
Let's remember what Artosis said after Solar typed GG in game. I'm paraphrasing here....

"When you see Zest play like that how could you ever doubt him? It's going to be Zest vs Rogue in the final I'm telling you."






Plopus
Profile Joined November 2014
Switzerland112 Posts
May 31 2018 08:38 GMT
#4699
The more I see Dear playing, the more I doubt the fact that Zest can beat him. Dear looks on fire at the moment!
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
May 31 2018 14:27 GMT
#4700
Zest is the sleeper of this GSL like stats last season, going to quietly get through every round.
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