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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 16:06:04
January 14 2013 16:04 GMT
#13421
Ah, he pulled out of IEM, sensible decision.

http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season7/katowice/news/212626/
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
January 14 2013 16:07 GMT
#13422
On January 15 2013 00:35 tigonridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 00:25 The_Darkness wrote:
On January 15 2013 00:03 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 23:27 The_Darkness wrote:
On January 14 2013 20:43 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 19:54 ratbert wrote:
why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man


So what is positive? Saying that he's one of the best players in the world when clearly results show otherwise? Being positive means acknowledging what's there and encouraging Stephano to focus on improving areas where he's obviously weak at. Being in denial is what is truly negative.


He's slipped a bit recently but what's the point of coming in his fanclub and belaboring the point? He's still a top player judging by Elo and you can tell the talent is there, especially since he has barely been practicing. You can't be as dominant in tvp and tvz as he is and not have the potential to be just as good in zvz. His current zvz is a result of his utterly neglecting the matchup.


When did I ever say that he isn't a top player in terms of Elo? You can still have high Elo if one of your match-ups is relatively bad. Elo isn't too useful in determining a player's tournament "winability", because Starcraft tournaments don't run like Chess tournaments. That is one weakness of the Elo rating system. If you're awful at any of the matchups, you have no hope of winning, no matter how good you are at other matchups... unless you become super lucky and manage to climb the tournament tree without ever facing your weak matchup.

My hunch is that his ZvZ will improve significant in the weeks to come, though, due to his new determination to be a more serious progamer. The key question is: how will that last? Possibly until he flies back to Europe.


If you're a top player in terms of Elo, you are a top player. Full stop. Moreover, his Elo was high becuase he was winning and placing highly in almost every single tournament he entered in 2012. He was for the first three quarters of 2012 probably the best zerg in the world other than DRG. He also wins tons of money, becuase he wins tons of tournaments. Notice the common theme here -- Stephano's winning. Unless you just started following SCII, you would never say the things you're saying. This guy just figures out ways to win. Yeah, he's continuing to struggle a bit in zvz and it's cost him but if there's anyone you should have faith in it's him.


The common theme is him winning in foreign tournaments.

Basing winability on overall Elo is a mistake, due to the nature of Starcraft. I do have faith in him. Not blind faith, though.


Since his Elo corresponds with his excellent results, you're wrong. And your position about not having "blind faith" is reasonable, but the way you post it, and the number of times you've posted it, tells me you're likely a troll. You've made your point. Please stop posting.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
January 14 2013 16:12 GMT
#13423
thank god he pulled out of IEM, since he lost to DRG he can now completely focus on recovering and practicing =)
Sephinor
Profile Joined August 2011
83 Posts
January 14 2013 16:25 GMT
#13424
I hope the last few days will motivate him to work hard on his ZvZ which is really nowhere near good enough anymore not to make any zerg he faces a threat. :/
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
January 14 2013 16:26 GMT
#13425
On January 15 2013 00:15 tigonridge wrote:
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On January 15 2013 00:07 revel8 wrote:
Shame he lost today. Already you have the whingers ^ talking smack here in his fanclub. Once he is in full health and can spend some time practicing with Jaedong and Revival on the new ProLeague maps he should improve.


He definitely will improve, because he's Stephano. No one is talking smack, just talking fact. My view of Stephano is pretty much the same as it was months ago, when he was still winning. Same with how much I feel supportive of him. It's good to have a balanced perspective of the people you admire. You should try it sometime.


I do have a balanced perspective. Always. Don't presume to insult me because you have a pessimistic view on things.
tigonridge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States71 Posts
January 14 2013 16:35 GMT
#13426
On January 15 2013 01:26 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 00:15 tigonridge wrote:
On January 15 2013 00:07 revel8 wrote:
Shame he lost today. Already you have the whingers ^ talking smack here in his fanclub. Once he is in full health and can spend some time practicing with Jaedong and Revival on the new ProLeague maps he should improve.


He definitely will improve, because he's Stephano. No one is talking smack, just talking fact. My view of Stephano is pretty much the same as it was months ago, when he was still winning. Same with how much I feel supportive of him. It's good to have a balanced perspective of the people you admire. You should try it sometime.


I do have a balanced perspective. Always. Don't presume to insult me because you have a pessimistic view on things.

If I were pessimistic, I would've said that he's never going to improve his ZvZ. Don't presume to call me a whiner or trash talker because you can't handle constructive criticism.
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
January 14 2013 16:36 GMT
#13427
I think he must be waiting for the infestor nerf, he already prepared himself to play some infestor-less style in ZvT, and that way there will be less ZvZ to do anyways. ^^
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
January 14 2013 17:20 GMT
#13428
For those of you you didn't see it, here is an interview of Hydra about his performance in the Proleague match EGTL vs CJ :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393058

Here is an excerpt :
"Every Zerg player feels inspired whenever they see Stephano initiate a build order. I can't help but think that Stephano is probably the best player when it comes to decision making."

Kespa players are already fans

And if Stephano reads this thread : Rest well and we have faith you will fix your ZvZ and get your confidance back in this matchup!
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 19:23:42
January 14 2013 19:22 GMT
#13429
On January 15 2013 02:20 Thurken wrote:
For those of you you didn't see it, here is an interview of Hydra about his performance in the Proleague match EGTL vs CJ :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393058

Here is an excerpt :
"Every Zerg player feels inspired whenever they see Stephano initiate a build order. I can't help but think that Stephano is probably the best player when it comes to decision making."

Kespa players are already fans

And if Stephano reads this thread : Rest well and we have faith you will fix your ZvZ and get your confidance back in this matchup!


Thanks for highlighting the article. I always love reading stuff like this. The Korean commentators apparently were gushing over his build against byoung as well, so his reception byKESPA-related parties seems to be exceptional.

What makes his decision making and builds (outside zvz) even more impressive is that Stephano to this point seems to figure everything out on his own. He has no coach or team helping him think things through, and he doesn't even grind away on the ladder to gain the sort of intuition you get from just playing tons of games. The guy is a genius.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
January 14 2013 23:44 GMT
#13430
I know it is a bit of a useless reasoning but I hope MVP doesn't qualify for ro16, because in this case Stephano is screwed if the nomination process is the same.
MVP is first in the GSL ranking so he chose first. He won't pick Stephano (stephano beat him in IS pretty convincingly). But 2nd best GSL point winner, who will 100% be a zerg (Sniper, Life or DRG) will pick him (even if a crazy upset happen like Huk making in through because he will be picked by MVP). And when you are in this group, the last picked is the last player remaining, i.e a zerg (it has always been like that). That means Stephano + 2 zergs.

If MVP isn't in ro16. Stephano will be picked by a zerg but the last player of the group will be the 9th picked up, so less likely a zerg. (but i think even in this best case scenario, it is at least 50% chance there are two zergs+him the way the system works)

If the nomination is randomed it will be better.
tigonridge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States71 Posts
January 15 2013 07:28 GMT
#13431
On January 15 2013 08:44 Thurken wrote:
I know it is a bit of a useless reasoning but I hope MVP doesn't qualify for ro16, because in this case Stephano is screwed if the nomination process is the same.
MVP is first in the GSL ranking so he chose first. He won't pick Stephano (stephano beat him in IS pretty convincingly). But 2nd best GSL point winner, who will 100% be a zerg (Sniper, Life or DRG) will pick him (even if a crazy upset happen like Huk making in through because he will be picked by MVP). And when you are in this group, the last picked is the last player remaining, i.e a zerg (it has always been like that). That means Stephano + 2 zergs.

If MVP isn't in ro16. Stephano will be picked by a zerg but the last player of the group will be the 9th picked up, so less likely a zerg. (but i think even in this best case scenario, it is at least 50% chance there are two zergs+him the way the system works)

If the nomination is randomed it will be better.


I actually want Steph to go up against as many zergs as possible in the short-term. It's the best kind of motivation for him to temper his ZvZ.
dust7
Profile Joined March 2010
199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 07:48:32
January 15 2013 07:48 GMT
#13432
On January 13 2013 11:06 tigonridge wrote:
Stephy vs CJ Entus HerO


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I love how Hero replied to Stephano to even the score and reduce the chance of Stephano being DQd.
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
January 15 2013 09:28 GMT
#13433
On January 15 2013 02:20 Thurken wrote:
For those of you you didn't see it, here is an interview of Hydra about his performance in the Proleague match EGTL vs CJ :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393058

Here is an excerpt :
"Every Zerg player feels inspired whenever they see Stephano initiate a build order. I can't help but think that Stephano is probably the best player when it comes to decision making."

Kespa players are already fans

And if Stephano reads this thread : Rest well and we have faith you will fix your ZvZ and get your confidance back in this matchup!


Thanks for that:
What i also found really interesting was Sola's interview:

How did you prepare for today's match?

Sola - I studied Stephano's VODs so that I could prepare my strategies as I tried to match his play style so in the end, I told myself that I was fully capable of winning. I noticed that Stephano likes to play it safe so I decided that I would try to play an economic game before he could and then optimize my build order by going for roaches in order to secure my victory.


GSL players will do the same and study him extensively so Stephano needs to adapt to this way of practice. Otherwise he will lose to players that are weaker than him (hack and bogus are weaker than him in my opinion)
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
January 15 2013 12:04 GMT
#13434
On January 15 2013 08:44 Thurken wrote:
I know it is a bit of a useless reasoning but I hope MVP doesn't qualify for ro16, because in this case Stephano is screwed if the nomination process is the same.
MVP is first in the GSL ranking so he chose first. He won't pick Stephano (stephano beat him in IS pretty convincingly). But 2nd best GSL point winner, who will 100% be a zerg (Sniper, Life or DRG) will pick him (even if a crazy upset happen like Huk making in through because he will be picked by MVP). And when you are in this group, the last picked is the last player remaining, i.e a zerg (it has always been like that). That means Stephano + 2 zergs.

If MVP isn't in ro16. Stephano will be picked by a zerg but the last player of the group will be the 9th picked up, so less likely a zerg. (but i think even in this best case scenario, it is at least 50% chance there are two zergs+him the way the system works)

If the nomination is randomed it will be better.



It will depend on what other player qualify too, Sniper did pick Huk but Hyun picked BBoongBBoong, which means that he was less confident against Stephano than BBoongBBoong. It is true that his ZvZ is his worst matchup, and he can loose against Zerg that are supposed to be worst than him, but he's also able to win against the best Zerg in the world (DRG and Life for example). That's why he hasn't be choosed by Sniper or Hyun in round 1, even if it's ZvZ it's far from a Free Win against him.
Anjellycar
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Sweden416 Posts
January 15 2013 13:06 GMT
#13435
He's now streaming! http://twitch.tv/EGSTephano
Dont worry, be happy!
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
January 15 2013 14:33 GMT
#13436
the stream number are crazy.

3 liquid player streaming. together it's like 2.5 k.

Jaedong stream : 3k

stephano : 5k

and it's not a great time for US viewer now.

LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
CTIA
Profile Joined November 2012
France117 Posts
January 15 2013 15:54 GMT
#13437
just lost to mc on stream, went roach hydra while mc went 3 base blink stalker
Maru N1 MKP NesTea Mvp IdrA Ryung
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4031 Posts
January 15 2013 16:18 GMT
#13438
honestly i've never seen Stephano missing so many injects and banking so much money in midgame...
Drone is a way of living
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
January 15 2013 16:23 GMT
#13439
On January 16 2013 01:18 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
honestly i've never seen Stephano missing so many injects and banking so much money in midgame...


yeah i also noticed that the last time he was streaming. i think thats also a big reason why his zvz is so unstable, in other matchups its less noticable because units countering units, but in zvz roach wars like against DRG recently or his match against the Samsung khan zerg, the player with better injects usually wins
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
January 15 2013 16:55 GMT
#13440
It somehow seems that he has gotten slower in general
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