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hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
January 14 2013 08:54 GMT
#13381
his zvz is atrocious ...
tigonridge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States71 Posts
January 14 2013 08:57 GMT
#13382
Foreigners just can't compete with Koreans. No amount of talent can replace hard work.
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 09:15:25
January 14 2013 08:59 GMT
#13383
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code s groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.
Nelz
Profile Joined December 2011
309 Posts
January 14 2013 09:01 GMT
#13384
so sad but if EG-TL wins at the end it's ok, according to Stephano he is still pretty sick, sucks for him.
tigonridge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States71 Posts
January 14 2013 09:23 GMT
#13385
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote:
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.


I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans.

I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 09:33:17
January 14 2013 09:33 GMT
#13386
On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote:
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.


I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans.

I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans.


You're wrong. Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
January 14 2013 09:37 GMT
#13387
I'd say, mainly because it was a ZvZ. Stephano's ZvZ is really bad.
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
January 14 2013 09:40 GMT
#13388
To be honest, he also seems to be very sick, depending on how he feels it's already good of him to play, few month ago he probably would have stayed at home instead of playing. I hope he'll be back in shape soon, and gets his revenge against DRG in his GSL group!
abou
Profile Joined June 2010
Denmark26 Posts
January 14 2013 09:48 GMT
#13389
With regards to code s, at least there is no possibility of meeting DRG twice and he can move on beating only the terrans.
www.sc2replays.dk
tigonridge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States71 Posts
January 14 2013 09:57 GMT
#13390
On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote:
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.


I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans.

I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans.


You're wrong. Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ.


I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
January 14 2013 10:10 GMT
#13391
On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote:
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.


I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans.

I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans.


You're wrong. Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ.


I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL.


The biggest stephano's weakness is his predictability. He always do the same safe opening. So his opponents are playing very greedy (hatch -> gas -> pool, tech rush). And he never punishes them...

He has the micro and the apm to play micro wars and early agressivity in ZvZ. I dunno why he refuses so much to do so.
Morrisson
Profile Joined May 2011
289 Posts
January 14 2013 10:20 GMT
#13392
On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote:
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.


I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans.

I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans.


You're wrong for . Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ.


I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL.


The problem is not Koreans (and no, they are not gods to him). He has beaten many top tier Korean P and T to show that this is not the problem. He is not an underdog.
The problem is Z. He became horrible at it (remember IPL3 finals, were it was a ZvZ and he was playing great. He 2-0 violet and 4-0 lucky that tournament...) and cant seem to understand it for now. He just arrived in Korea, let's give him some time.
Black17
Profile Joined October 2011
France435 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 10:26:10
January 14 2013 10:22 GMT
#13393
On January 14 2013 19:10 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote:
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.


I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans.

I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans.


You're wrong. Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ.


I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL.


The biggest stephano's weakness is his predictability. He always do the same safe opening. So his opponents are playing very greedy (hatch -> gas -> pool, tech rush). And he never punishes them...

He has the micro and the apm to play micro wars and early agressivity in ZvZ. I dunno why he refuses so much to do so.


Actually he is pretty unpredictable in both ZvT and ZvP. But it seems that all the strenghts he has in those matchup are not true anymore in ZvZ; I think he's trying too much to play standard in ZvZ as he doesn't know the matchup that well. Therefore, he's a very passive style that is not at all what he's about.

Also, the kinda "sandwich" engagements that work so well in ZvT and ZvP don't seem to be so effective in ZvZ as opponents shoots a few shots before you complete the "sandwich". Imo he should just play as he used to, ZvZ is not that far away from 1 year ago when he was so good at it sending 5-6 roaches in every base of his opponent, completely outmicroing him.

To sum it up, I think the main weakness of his ZvZ is his lack of confidence in himself playing it. I feel he does not dare trying so many things in that matchup and plays passive and standard and usually gets caught pre hive with not enough units. He must regain his confidence to play sharp/creative, and with his level in micro anything can work really.

He might not like the matchup, but he has to chose to like it entering a game (like in a ZvT or ZvP) thinking like "oh yeah a ZvZ, I'm unbeatable at this". And that would make a great difference imo, because that would unleash all his potential: he has the micro and the map awareness to be the best ZvZ in the world imo.

But he will figure it out while he's in Korea, I have faith.
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 10:44:33
January 14 2013 10:40 GMT
#13394
And about IEM Katowice. I still don't think it is a very good idea, but since his code S matches are on the first of February, it won't hurt him too much. It might even give him another goal to work on his ZvZ.
tigonridge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 10:51:35
January 14 2013 10:50 GMT
#13395
On January 14 2013 19:20 Morrisson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote:
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.


I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans.

I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans.


You're wrong for . Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ.


I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL.


The problem is not Koreans (and no, they are not gods to him). He has beaten many top tier Korean P and T to show that this is not the problem. He is not an underdog.
The problem is Z. He became horrible at it (remember IPL3 finals, were it was a ZvZ and he was playing great. He 2-0 violet and 4-0 lucky that tournament...) and cant seem to understand it for now. He just arrived in Korea, let's give him some time.


You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it.
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
January 14 2013 10:54 GMT
#13396
why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
Anjellycar
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Sweden416 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-14 11:04:14
January 14 2013 11:03 GMT
#13397
We've always seen people going from the 'best' fans (while he does good) to negative, criticising people once his results are getting a bit different. Don't pay much attention to it ratbert! I personally feel a fanpage should be kept in a positive manner but I guess criticising everyone and everything seems to be one of the main attractions to people nowadays =[
Dont worry, be happy!
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
January 14 2013 11:03 GMT
#13398
You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it.


what's really fun is that if you post someting like that in naniwa FC, you get banned from TL for a week or a month.

same people that believe stephano is not top ten player ine the world think that naniwa is so let everyone believe what they want !
LockeTazeline October 31 2012 06:02. Posts 166 : A Bo9 is really just a Bo1 played 9 times.
Nelz
Profile Joined December 2011
309 Posts
January 14 2013 11:08 GMT
#13399
He's sick, we'll never know if he's terribly sick or just a little. Maybe he couldn't practice for the past 2 or 3 days or maybe he could, we don't know. We'll see in the near futur when he will be at 100% for sure if he can improve (a lot) his ZvZ.
abou
Profile Joined June 2010
Denmark26 Posts
January 14 2013 11:33 GMT
#13400
On January 14 2013 19:50 tigonridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 19:20 Morrisson wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:
On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote:
Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans)
The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 )
Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG.


I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans.

I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans.


You're wrong for . Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ.


I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL.


The problem is not Koreans (and no, they are not gods to him). He has beaten many top tier Korean P and T to show that this is not the problem. He is not an underdog.
The problem is Z. He became horrible at it (remember IPL3 finals, were it was a ZvZ and he was playing great. He 2-0 violet and 4-0 lucky that tournament...) and cant seem to understand it for now. He just arrived in Korea, let's give him some time.


You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it.


Saying that he is nowhere near top10 is just plain wrong. Any way you look at it, be it results vs koreans or price money earnings he is very near top10. His 2012 earnings puts him #3 at $134k and that is through consistent results in korean packed tournaments.
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