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hyperdemented
Austria372 Posts
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tigonridge
United States71 Posts
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Thurken
961 Posts
The code s groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 ) Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG. | ||
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Nelz
309 Posts
so sad but if EG-TL wins at the end it's ok, according to Stephano he is still pretty sick, sucks for him. | ||
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tigonridge
United States71 Posts
On January 14 2013 17:59 Thurken wrote: Yeah... (about the state of his ZvZ, not the stupid comment about foreigner not being able to compete with koreans) The code g groups have arrived : ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393253 ) Stephano is with Bogus, Hack and DRG. I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans. I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote: I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans. I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans. You're wrong. Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ. | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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abou
Denmark26 Posts
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tigonridge
United States71 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote: You're wrong. Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ. I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote: I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL. The biggest stephano's weakness is his predictability. He always do the same safe opening. So his opponents are playing very greedy (hatch -> gas -> pool, tech rush). And he never punishes them... He has the micro and the apm to play micro wars and early agressivity in ZvZ. I dunno why he refuses so much to do so. | ||
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Morrisson
289 Posts
On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote: I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL. The problem is not Koreans (and no, they are not gods to him). He has beaten many top tier Korean P and T to show that this is not the problem. He is not an underdog. The problem is Z. He became horrible at it (remember IPL3 finals, were it was a ZvZ and he was playing great. He 2-0 violet and 4-0 lucky that tournament...) and cant seem to understand it for now. He just arrived in Korea, let's give him some time. | ||
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Black17
France435 Posts
On January 14 2013 19:10 Insoleet wrote: The biggest stephano's weakness is his predictability. He always do the same safe opening. So his opponents are playing very greedy (hatch -> gas -> pool, tech rush). And he never punishes them... He has the micro and the apm to play micro wars and early agressivity in ZvZ. I dunno why he refuses so much to do so. Actually he is pretty unpredictable in both ZvT and ZvP. But it seems that all the strenghts he has in those matchup are not true anymore in ZvZ; I think he's trying too much to play standard in ZvZ as he doesn't know the matchup that well. Therefore, he's a very passive style that is not at all what he's about. Also, the kinda "sandwich" engagements that work so well in ZvT and ZvP don't seem to be so effective in ZvZ as opponents shoots a few shots before you complete the "sandwich". Imo he should just play as he used to, ZvZ is not that far away from 1 year ago when he was so good at it sending 5-6 roaches in every base of his opponent, completely outmicroing him. To sum it up, I think the main weakness of his ZvZ is his lack of confidence in himself playing it. I feel he does not dare trying so many things in that matchup and plays passive and standard and usually gets caught pre hive with not enough units. He must regain his confidence to play sharp/creative, and with his level in micro anything can work really. He might not like the matchup, but he has to chose to like it entering a game (like in a ZvT or ZvP) thinking like "oh yeah a ZvZ, I'm unbeatable at this". And that would make a great difference imo, because that would unleash all his potential: he has the micro and the map awareness to be the best ZvZ in the world imo. But he will figure it out while he's in Korea, I have faith. | ||
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Thurken
961 Posts
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tigonridge
United States71 Posts
On January 14 2013 19:20 Morrisson wrote: The problem is not Koreans (and no, they are not gods to him). He has beaten many top tier Korean P and T to show that this is not the problem. He is not an underdog. The problem is Z. He became horrible at it (remember IPL3 finals, were it was a ZvZ and he was playing great. He 2-0 violet and 4-0 lucky that tournament...) and cant seem to understand it for now. He just arrived in Korea, let's give him some time. You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it. | ||
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ratbert
Germany1041 Posts
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Anjellycar
Sweden416 Posts
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zedrOne
France471 Posts
You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it. what's really fun is that if you post someting like that in naniwa FC, you get banned from TL for a week or a month. same people that believe stephano is not top ten player ine the world think that naniwa is so let everyone believe what they want ! | ||
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Nelz
309 Posts
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abou
Denmark26 Posts
On January 14 2013 19:50 tigonridge wrote: You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it. Saying that he is nowhere near top10 is just plain wrong. Any way you look at it, be it results vs koreans or price money earnings he is very near top10. His 2012 earnings puts him #3 at $134k and that is through consistent results in korean packed tournaments. | ||
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