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On January 14 2013 19:54 ratbert wrote:why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man 
So what is positive? Saying that he's one of the best players in the world when clearly results show otherwise? Being positive means acknowledging what's there and encouraging Stephano to focus on improving areas where he's obviously weak at. Being in denial is what is truly negative.
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On January 14 2013 20:33 abou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 19:50 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 19:20 Morrisson wrote:On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans. I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans. You're wrong for . Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ. I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL. The problem is not Koreans (and no, they are not gods to him). He has beaten many top tier Korean P and T to show that this is not the problem. He is not an underdog. The problem is Z. He became horrible at it (remember IPL3 finals, were it was a ZvZ and he was playing great. He 2-0 violet and 4-0 lucky that tournament...) and cant seem to understand it for now. He just arrived in Korea, let's give him some time. You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it. Saying that he is nowhere near top10 is just plain wrong. Any way you look at it, be it results vs koreans or price money earnings he is very near top10. His 2012 earnings puts him #3 at $134k and that is through consistent results in korean packed tournaments.
I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about the present. Those "Korean packed" tournaments didn't have a lot of Korean zergs, btw. In all the tournaments he'd won, I don't recall one Korean zerg that he'd had to go up against. In that sense, he was lucky.
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On January 14 2013 19:50 tigonridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 19:20 Morrisson wrote:On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans. I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans. You're wrong for . Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ. I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL. The problem is not Koreans (and no, they are not gods to him). He has beaten many top tier Korean P and T to show that this is not the problem. He is not an underdog. The problem is Z. He became horrible at it (remember IPL3 finals, were it was a ZvZ and he was playing great. He 2-0 violet and 4-0 lucky that tournament...) and cant seem to understand it for now. He just arrived in Korea, let's give him some time. You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it.
You seem to be new around here...
If you followed stephano for a while now you would now that hes not an underdog, (except when it comes to his horrid zvz), it doesn't matter who the korean opponent is, nothing is set in stone as best shown in that GSL champ tour where he owned Life and Drg. Hes actually favoured in almost any game against T/P. He is quite famous even among koreans for quite a while now, they respect him and most study his style and copy it or practice counters against it.
Also we know hes not top10 and if you had followed stephano long enough you get to realize that he is not god or the best player in the world, he just has him moments of genius, you might have to wait a month two or three but eventualy he will swing back crush the best players in the world in a tournament and then go back to losing to noname eu diamond players for a another month or two.
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On January 14 2013 20:43 tigonridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 19:54 ratbert wrote:why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man So what is positive? Saying that he's one of the best players in the world when clearly results show otherwise? Being positive means acknowledging what's there and encouraging Stephano to focus on improving areas where he's obviously weak at. Being in denial is what is truly negative.
He's slipped a bit recently but what's the point of coming in his fanclub and belaboring the point? He's still a top player judging by Elo and you can tell the talent is there, especially since he has barely been practicing. You can't be as dominant in tvp and tvz as he is and not have the potential to be just as good in zvz. His current zvz is a result of his utterly neglecting the matchup.
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On January 14 2013 23:15 Meggiroth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 19:50 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 19:20 Morrisson wrote:On January 14 2013 18:57 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 18:33 Faust852 wrote:On January 14 2013 18:23 tigonridge wrote:I'll rephrase that. I meant that foreigners have very little fighting chance against Koreans. I'm cheering for Stephano, because to me, he's an underdog with a great personality... but still an underdog against these gaming demons (or deities if you wish) called Koreans. You're wrong for . Very few koreans are able to beat Stephano without preparation. His opponent is a total unknow player while Stephano is very popular and play a lot of games. That's why Stephano lost. And because it was a ZvZ. I agree about it being ZvZ, but a ton of Koreans are (guess what) zergs. He needs to step up his ZvZ substantially before there is even a 50/50 chance for him to advance to RO16 in GSL. The problem is not Koreans (and no, they are not gods to him). He has beaten many top tier Korean P and T to show that this is not the problem. He is not an underdog. The problem is Z. He became horrible at it (remember IPL3 finals, were it was a ZvZ and he was playing great. He 2-0 violet and 4-0 lucky that tournament...) and cant seem to understand it for now. He just arrived in Korea, let's give him some time. You may choose to only judge his performance based on only 2 of 3 match-ups, but I prefer the balanced perspective of evaluating at his skill as a whole package. His ZvT and ZvP may be in top 5 (zergs). As as whole player, he's nowhere near top10, and is an underdog in any tournament with many Korean zergs participating. Face it. You seem to be new around here... If you followed stephano for a while now you would now that hes not an underdog, (except when it comes to his horrid zvz), it doesn't matter who the korean opponent is, nothing is set in stone as best shown in that GSL champ tour where he owned Life and Drg. Hes actually favoured in almost any game against T/P. He is quite famous even among koreans for quite a while now, they respect him and most study his style and copy it or practice counters against it. Also we know hes not top10 and if you had followed stephano long enough you get to realize that he is not god or the best player in the world, he just has him moments of genius, you might have to wait a month two or three but eventualy he will swing back crush the best players in the world in a tournament and then go back to losing to noname eu diamond players for a another month or two.
"If you followed stephano for a while now you would now that hes not an underdog, (except when it comes to his horrid zvz), it doesn't matter who the korean opponent is, nothing is set in stone as best shown in that GSL champ tour where he owned Life and Drg."
That's the part of your post I disagree with. If you think beating another player in a BO1 is "owning," you have a serious perspective issue. Let's see Stephano "own" a Code S zerg in a BO5. Oh, wait...
Being godly at just ZvT and ZvP isn't enough in a Korean tournament. I think Stephano knows this, and I'm pretty sure he's going to put in the necessary hours to practice his ZvZ; so I'm still hopeful about his future prospect in Korea.
Btw, I've been following Stephan since late 2011. It's only this fanclub I'm new to.
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Come on ! practice ZvZ and get in shape, 2 terrans in the code S group which is pretty cool !
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On January 14 2013 23:27 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:43 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 19:54 ratbert wrote:why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man So what is positive? Saying that he's one of the best players in the world when clearly results show otherwise? Being positive means acknowledging what's there and encouraging Stephano to focus on improving areas where he's obviously weak at. Being in denial is what is truly negative. He's slipped a bit recently but what's the point of coming in his fanclub and belaboring the point? He's still a top player judging by Elo and you can tell the talent is there, especially since he has barely been practicing. You can't be as dominant in tvp and tvz as he is and not have the potential to be just as good in zvz. His current zvz is a result of his utterly neglecting the matchup.
When did I ever say that he isn't a top player in terms of Elo? You can still have high Elo if one of your match-ups is relatively bad. Elo isn't too useful in determining a player's tournament "winability", because Starcraft tournaments don't run like Chess tournaments. That is one weakness of the Elo rating system. If you're awful at any of the matchups, you have no hope of winning, no matter how good you are at other matchups... unless you become super lucky and manage to climb the tournament tree without ever facing your weak matchup.
My hunch is that his ZvZ will improve significant in the weeks to come, though, due to his new determination to be a more serious progamer. The key question is: how will that last? Possibly until he flies back to Europe.
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So, is the expectation still that he will go to Poland for IEM this weekend? I have a really hard time understanding that decision. I suppose His GSL group won't be played 'till the end of the month, so he might think that that will leave plenty room for preparation.
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Shame he lost today. Already you have the whingers ^ talking smack here in his fanclub. Once he is in full health and can spend some time practicing with Jaedong and Revival on the new ProLeague maps he should improve.
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Troll :
"he loose bo1 to korean zerg, and bo5 against DRG, so it's sure he is a very bad player.
he win bo1 against 3 of the top korean player, so it's sur he got luck and he is a bad player.
ELO mean nothing cause ...
Earning in tournament means nothing cause.... "
from one post to another your argument go against themself.... stop embarrassing yourself. make another post about EG curse and/or stephano's fall / drama and go troll in it.
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thanks Anjellycar, much appreciated 
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On January 15 2013 00:07 revel8 wrote:
Shame he lost today. Already you have the whingers ^ talking smack here in his fanclub. Once he is in full health and can spend some time practicing with Jaedong and Revival on the new ProLeague maps he should improve.
He definitely will improve, because he's Stephano. No one is talking smack, just talking fact. My view of Stephano is pretty much the same as it was months ago, when he was still winning. Same with how much I feel supportive of him. It's good to have a balanced perspective of the people you admire. You should try it sometime.
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On January 14 2013 20:43 tigonridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 19:54 ratbert wrote:why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man So what is positive? Saying that he's one of the best players in the world when clearly results show otherwise? Being positive means acknowledging what's there and encouraging Stephano to focus on improving areas where he's obviously weak at. Being in denial is what is truly negative.
you're right. i guess he goes into his fanclub on TL and is like "OH SHIT, this guy is right, i have accomplished nothing and would've never found out that zvz is my achilles heel without him" yeah ... right
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On January 15 2013 00:10 zedrOne wrote:
Troll :
"he loose bo1 to korean zerg, and bo5 against DRG, so it's sure he is a very bad player.
he win bo1 against 3 of the top korean player, so it's sur he got luck and he is a bad player.
ELO mean nothing cause ...
Earning in tournament means nothing cause.... "
from one post to another your argument go against themself.... stop embarrassing yourself. make another post about EG curse and/or stephano's fall / drama and go troll in it.
I don't know who's trolling here. I never said he's "a very bad player." I also never said Elo means nothing. I don't like creating drama, and tell it like it is. You have terrible reading comprehension skills, kid.
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On January 15 2013 00:16 ratbert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 20:43 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 19:54 ratbert wrote:why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man So what is positive? Saying that he's one of the best players in the world when clearly results show otherwise? Being positive means acknowledging what's there and encouraging Stephano to focus on improving areas where he's obviously weak at. Being in denial is what is truly negative. you're right. i guess he goes into his fanclub on TL and is like "OH SHIT, this guy is right, i have accomplished nothing and would've never found out that zvz is my achilles heel without him" yeah ... right
I don't even assume that he even reads this fanpage religiously. Maybe he does, who knows. I thought a fanclub is where you come to discuss the strengths and flaws of a person you respect. I guess I'm in the wrong fanclub. Sorry. I'll go, now.
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Stop being so depressive.
Since HSC until he gets to Korea, Stephano played a total of 3 games according to his EU account.
Now he's sick for several days and just starting to feel better : http://www.facebook.com/EGStephanoRC/posts/557745530919548
It's not the perfect combination to have good mechanics when playing proleague and IronSquid, as far as i know the only day he was not sick was the day he played MMA for IronSquid 2. He still won 2 games against CJ Entus while being sick.
He'll be fine, keep your faith.
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On January 15 2013 00:03 tigonridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 23:27 The_Darkness wrote:On January 14 2013 20:43 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 19:54 ratbert wrote:why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man So what is positive? Saying that he's one of the best players in the world when clearly results show otherwise? Being positive means acknowledging what's there and encouraging Stephano to focus on improving areas where he's obviously weak at. Being in denial is what is truly negative. He's slipped a bit recently but what's the point of coming in his fanclub and belaboring the point? He's still a top player judging by Elo and you can tell the talent is there, especially since he has barely been practicing. You can't be as dominant in tvp and tvz as he is and not have the potential to be just as good in zvz. His current zvz is a result of his utterly neglecting the matchup. When did I ever say that he isn't a top player in terms of Elo? You can still have high Elo if one of your match-ups is relatively bad. Elo isn't too useful in determining a player's tournament "winability", because Starcraft tournaments don't run like Chess tournaments. That is one weakness of the Elo rating system. If you're awful at any of the matchups, you have no hope of winning, no matter how good you are at other matchups... unless you become super lucky and manage to climb the tournament tree without ever facing your weak matchup. My hunch is that his ZvZ will improve significant in the weeks to come, though, due to his new determination to be a more serious progamer. The key question is: how will that last? Possibly until he flies back to Europe.
If you're a top player in terms of Elo, you are a top player. Full stop. Moreover, his Elo was high becuase he was winning and placing highly in almost every single tournament he entered in 2012. He was for the first three quarters of 2012 probably the best zerg in the world other than DRG. He also wins tons of money, becuase he wins tons of tournaments. Notice the common theme here -- Stephano's winning. Unless you just started following SCII, you would never say the things you're saying. This guy just figures out ways to win. Yeah, he's continuing to struggle a bit in zvz and it's cost him but if there's anyone you should have faith in it's him.
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On January 15 2013 00:25 The_Darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 00:03 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 23:27 The_Darkness wrote:On January 14 2013 20:43 tigonridge wrote:On January 14 2013 19:54 ratbert wrote:why does always someone have to come in here and play the negative nancy? let us have some fun man So what is positive? Saying that he's one of the best players in the world when clearly results show otherwise? Being positive means acknowledging what's there and encouraging Stephano to focus on improving areas where he's obviously weak at. Being in denial is what is truly negative. He's slipped a bit recently but what's the point of coming in his fanclub and belaboring the point? He's still a top player judging by Elo and you can tell the talent is there, especially since he has barely been practicing. You can't be as dominant in tvp and tvz as he is and not have the potential to be just as good in zvz. His current zvz is a result of his utterly neglecting the matchup. When did I ever say that he isn't a top player in terms of Elo? You can still have high Elo if one of your match-ups is relatively bad. Elo isn't too useful in determining a player's tournament "winability", because Starcraft tournaments don't run like Chess tournaments. That is one weakness of the Elo rating system. If you're awful at any of the matchups, you have no hope of winning, no matter how good you are at other matchups... unless you become super lucky and manage to climb the tournament tree without ever facing your weak matchup. My hunch is that his ZvZ will improve significant in the weeks to come, though, due to his new determination to be a more serious progamer. The key question is: how will that last? Possibly until he flies back to Europe. If you're a top player in terms of Elo, you are a top player. Full stop. Moreover, his Elo was high becuase he was winning and placing highly in almost every single tournament he entered in 2012. He was for the first three quarters of 2012 probably the best zerg in the world other than DRG. He also wins tons of money, becuase he wins tons of tournaments. Notice the common theme here -- Stephano's winning. Unless you just started following SCII, you would never say the things you're saying. This guy just figures out ways to win. Yeah, he's continuing to struggle a bit in zvz and it's cost him but if there's anyone you should have faith in it's him.
The common theme is him winning in foreign tournaments.
Basing winability on overall Elo is a mistake, due to the nature of Starcraft. I do have faith in him. Not blind faith, though.
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Good group for him IMO. Although talented, Bogus has looked very beatable lately in PL. If Stephano takes him to the late game I'm giving him the edge. I'd favor Stephano against Hack too, so I think there's a very good chance he makes it to the ro16 (regardless of whether he has to face DRG). GL!
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