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On August 24 2012 03:44 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds who are you to call anyone dumb? It's a perfectly logical choice of words for builds that are similar to normal cheese in a way that they only work if unscouted or poorly reacted to.
they already have a name for those builds, its called being greedy
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On August 24 2012 02:51 SnowZi wrote:Oh,I forgot that Stephano goes gasless ZvT so i'm interested is it gonna work,probably Symbol teached him the build,oh and i might aswell copy it 
please explain the build in detail
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On August 24 2012 04:13 MapleLeafSirup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:51 SnowZi wrote:Oh,I forgot that Stephano goes gasless ZvT so i'm interested is it gonna work,probably Symbol teached him the build,oh and i might aswell copy it please explain the build in detail
Well everyone knows this build,you constantly build queens till 4 or 6,at 6 minutes you take third base and 2 gasses,get speed with first 100 gas,double evos,lair,baneling nest etc...
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On August 24 2012 03:44 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds who are you to call anyone dumb? It's a perfectly logical choice of words for builds that are similar to normal cheese in a way that they only work if unscouted or poorly reacted to.
I think I replied with a snarky comment to some nonsense he had written at some point so I assume his comment is pay back for that. In any event, yes, you're right. Many people call such builds macro "cheese". I didn't mean it pejoratively (as applied to Oz). He executed the build so well that Stephano was kind of out of luck when he half committed to punishing it. Oz did that same build against Nestea on Daybreak and Nestea had a similar initial response to Stephano (with a lot of lings that did nothing) but then he transitioned into mutas and abused Oz's delayed tech and won. If Stephano just took a fourth, he wins because he's a lot better than Oz assuming they enter the midgame on about even footing.
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On August 24 2012 03:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 03:44 niteReloaded wrote:On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds who are you to call anyone dumb? It's a perfectly logical choice of words for builds that are similar to normal cheese in a way that they only work if unscouted or poorly reacted to. they already have a name for those builds, its called being greedy
wow sematics. who cares, both are correct.
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On August 24 2012 04:17 SnowZi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:13 MapleLeafSirup wrote:On August 24 2012 02:51 SnowZi wrote:Oh,I forgot that Stephano goes gasless ZvT so i'm interested is it gonna work,probably Symbol teached him the build,oh and i might aswell copy it please explain the build in detail Well everyone knows this build,you constantly build queens till 4 or 6,at 6 minutes you take third base and 2 gasses,get speed with first 100 gas,double evos,lair,baneling nest etc...
ie DRG vs Ryung S3 ro16
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On August 24 2012 03:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 03:44 niteReloaded wrote:On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds who are you to call anyone dumb? It's a perfectly logical choice of words for builds that are similar to normal cheese in a way that they only work if unscouted or poorly reacted to. they already have a name for those builds, its called being greedy
Oh, so you're only allowed one wording per a thing. I didn't get the memo.
Does it apply to player nicknames? Does MC have to choose between ObamaToss and BossToss? Hm, maybe no nicknames at all, since he is already called MC.
Also, even if I disregard that, what you said isn't even true. Being greedy is squeezing extra drones prior to building a pool or prior to pumping army (imagine Ret). Doing something like 4 hatches before pool (or even 3, I'm no expert) would clearly be an extreme version of greed, and would justify the term 'macro cheese'. I'm not familiar with the specific game you're talking about so I don't know wether Oz's build falls into one category or another, but the point applies to what we're discussing now: wording and semantics.
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On August 24 2012 06:22 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 03:55 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 03:44 niteReloaded wrote:On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds who are you to call anyone dumb? It's a perfectly logical choice of words for builds that are similar to normal cheese in a way that they only work if unscouted or poorly reacted to. they already have a name for those builds, its called being greedy Oh, so you're only allowed one wording per a thing. I didn't get the memo. Does it apply to player nicknames? Does MC have to choose between ObamaToss and BossToss? Hm, maybe no nicknames at all, since he is already called MC. Also, even if I disregard that, what you said isn't even true. Being greedy is squeezing extra drones prior to building a pool or prior to pumping army (imagine Ret). Doing something like 4 hatches before pool (or even 3, I'm no expert) would clearly be an extreme version of greed, and would justify the term 'macro cheese'. I'm not familiar with the specific game you're talking about, I'm discussing generally.
youll never ever hear a caster ever utter the term macro cheese, youll hear them say greedy plenty though because greedy is the accepted term for builds that sacrifice safety for economy just like MC is the accepted name for MC (unless your in Korea cause im pretty sure they pretty mcuh only use real name) using a term like macro cheese that was just invented on the spot and probably only uttered seriously by 5 people in the history of ever only annoys and confuses people
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On August 24 2012 06:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:22 niteReloaded wrote:On August 24 2012 03:55 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 03:44 niteReloaded wrote:On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds who are you to call anyone dumb? It's a perfectly logical choice of words for builds that are similar to normal cheese in a way that they only work if unscouted or poorly reacted to. they already have a name for those builds, its called being greedy Oh, so you're only allowed one wording per a thing. I didn't get the memo. Does it apply to player nicknames? Does MC have to choose between ObamaToss and BossToss? Hm, maybe no nicknames at all, since he is already called MC. Also, even if I disregard that, what you said isn't even true. Being greedy is squeezing extra drones prior to building a pool or prior to pumping army (imagine Ret). Doing something like 4 hatches before pool (or even 3, I'm no expert) would clearly be an extreme version of greed, and would justify the term 'macro cheese'. I'm not familiar with the specific game you're talking about, I'm discussing generally. youll never ever hear a caster ever utter the term macro cheese, youll hear them say greedy plenty though because greedy is the accepted term for builds that sacrifice safety for economy just like MC is the accepted name for MC (unless your in Korea cause im pretty sure they pretty mcuh only use real name) using a term like macro cheese that was just invented on the spot and probably only uttered seriously by 5 people in the history of ever only annoys and confuses people
Humans made up the language and continue to do so every day, we weren't given a list of words which we can use and directions how we should use them by some God. You could say that any wording that makes sense just waits for a person to popularise it.
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Good Luck at MLG! Hoping for the best after your trip to Korea.
Guys, this is the Stephano fan club, not the terminology discussion thread.
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On August 24 2012 06:40 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 06:33 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 06:22 niteReloaded wrote:On August 24 2012 03:55 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 03:44 niteReloaded wrote:On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds who are you to call anyone dumb? It's a perfectly logical choice of words for builds that are similar to normal cheese in a way that they only work if unscouted or poorly reacted to. they already have a name for those builds, its called being greedy Oh, so you're only allowed one wording per a thing. I didn't get the memo. Does it apply to player nicknames? Does MC have to choose between ObamaToss and BossToss? Hm, maybe no nicknames at all, since he is already called MC. Also, even if I disregard that, what you said isn't even true. Being greedy is squeezing extra drones prior to building a pool or prior to pumping army (imagine Ret). Doing something like 4 hatches before pool (or even 3, I'm no expert) would clearly be an extreme version of greed, and would justify the term 'macro cheese'. I'm not familiar with the specific game you're talking about, I'm discussing generally. youll never ever hear a caster ever utter the term macro cheese, youll hear them say greedy plenty though because greedy is the accepted term for builds that sacrifice safety for economy just like MC is the accepted name for MC (unless your in Korea cause im pretty sure they pretty mcuh only use real name) using a term like macro cheese that was just invented on the spot and probably only uttered seriously by 5 people in the history of ever only annoys and confuses people Humans made up the language and continue to do so every day, we weren't given a list of words which we can use and directions how we should use them by some God. You could say that any wording that makes sense just waits for a person to popularise it.
good luck trying to popularize it then your doing a bang up job so far
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On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds
LOL I've heard of Mac&Cheese, but not macro and cheese in the same build.
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On August 24 2012 04:13 MapleLeafSirup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 02:51 SnowZi wrote:Oh,I forgot that Stephano goes gasless ZvT so i'm interested is it gonna work,probably Symbol teached him the build,oh and i might aswell copy it please explain the build in detail
Stephano plays the old style opening ZvT of getting your gas at 17 supply. After the queen buff, gasless 4/6 queen opening became the standard because it allowed you to get an early third while droning heavily. So the trade off is that you sacrifice tech for a great ecomony which eventually allows you to tech to BL/Infestor faster.
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On August 24 2012 07:54 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 04:13 MapleLeafSirup wrote:On August 24 2012 02:51 SnowZi wrote:Oh,I forgot that Stephano goes gasless ZvT so i'm interested is it gonna work,probably Symbol teached him the build,oh and i might aswell copy it please explain the build in detail Stephano plays the old style opening ZvT of getting your gas at 17 supply. After the queen buff, gasless 4/6 queen opening became the standard because it allowed you to get an early third while droning heavily. So the trade off is that you sacrifice tech for a great ecomony which eventually allows you to tech to BL/Infestor faster.
even before the queen buff Zergs were starting to take later gases the queen buff just amplified it even more (well that and the hellion nerfs)
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On August 24 2012 07:53 Silentness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds LOL I've heard of Mac&Cheese, but not macro and cheese in the same build.
Well cheese generally means playing extremely risky meaning, if your opponent scouts your cheese, you usually just flat out lose the game. Ex, If i play a protoss who is cannon rushing and I scout his early pylon and kill any cannons before they finish, the game is essentially over. The same goes on the opposite spectrum. If im playing a ZvT and I scout a terran doing a three cc build off one bunker, I can do a roach bane all in and the terran can't hold it if controlled properly on my end. So Macro cheese does exist.
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On August 24 2012 08:26 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 07:53 Silentness wrote:On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds LOL I've heard of Mac&Cheese, but not macro and cheese in the same build. Well cheese generally means playing extremely risky meaning, if your opponent scouts your cheese, you usually just flat out lose the game. Ex, If i play a protoss who is cannon rushing and I scout his early pylon and kill any cannons before they finish, the game is essentially over. The same goes on the opposite spectrum. If im playing a ZvT and I scout a terran doing a three cc build off one bunker, I can do a roach bane all in and the terran can't hold it if controlled properly on my end. So Macro cheese does exist.
actually if he goes fast tanks, lifts his natural and holds his ramp hes pefectly fine as soon as he has a single sieged tank the roach bane all-in fails miserably
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On August 24 2012 08:40 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 08:26 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On August 24 2012 07:53 Silentness wrote:On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds LOL I've heard of Mac&Cheese, but not macro and cheese in the same build. Well cheese generally means playing extremely risky meaning, if your opponent scouts your cheese, you usually just flat out lose the game. Ex, If i play a protoss who is cannon rushing and I scout his early pylon and kill any cannons before they finish, the game is essentially over. The same goes on the opposite spectrum. If im playing a ZvT and I scout a terran doing a three cc build off one bunker, I can do a roach bane all in and the terran can't hold it if controlled properly on my end. So Macro cheese does exist. actually if he goes fast tanks, lifts his natural and holds his ramp hes pefectly fine as soon as he has a single sieged tank the roach bane all-in fails miserably
Nice whine.
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On August 24 2012 08:55 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 08:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 24 2012 08:26 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:On August 24 2012 07:53 Silentness wrote:On August 23 2012 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On August 23 2012 10:50 MichaelDonovan wrote:On August 23 2012 09:58 The_Darkness wrote:
I think Stephano beats Oz should they meet. Oz played great against Stephano but, with my fanboy glasses on, I can't see him beating him in another series. He should have won the game on Entombed Valley and he just didn't react appropriately to Oz's awesome macro cheese on Daybreak. He's also coming off a stretch where he actually practiced so he should be in good shape. Also Stephano generally has had Violet's number, excluding the series at the MLG Arena. Everyone else does not seem to be a threat. The scariest players are MKP (he's going right?) and Taeja. Everyone else I favor Stephano over. With a win here he'd cement his status as the best zerg overall. (I keep saying he's the best and judging by the lack of people jumping down my throat for suggesting it I'm guessing most people are willing to at least consider him the best zerg.) What the fuck is macro cheese? its the term dumb people use for really greedy builds LOL I've heard of Mac&Cheese, but not macro and cheese in the same build. Well cheese generally means playing extremely risky meaning, if your opponent scouts your cheese, you usually just flat out lose the game. Ex, If i play a protoss who is cannon rushing and I scout his early pylon and kill any cannons before they finish, the game is essentially over. The same goes on the opposite spectrum. If im playing a ZvT and I scout a terran doing a three cc build off one bunker, I can do a roach bane all in and the terran can't hold it if controlled properly on my end. So Macro cheese does exist. actually if he goes fast tanks, lifts his natural and holds his ramp hes pefectly fine as soon as he has a single sieged tank the roach bane all-in fails miserably Nice whine.
how was that a wine......? if your opponent blind counters your all-in they should be able to hold
but since Terrans go fast tanks aproximately one game in every million its not like it really matter (not that anyone does the roach/bane allin anymore)
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MLG is about to begin are we ready for some Stephano pwnnage:D? Hopefully this would be Stephano´s first MLG championship
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hope he kinda delivers this time. last time his game vs ryung on ck(wasnt it?) was pretty sick
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