This is a Fanclub and as such a place for fans to discuss the person in question for which the topic was created. Coming into this topic without having participated in it to criticise her or with the comment that this topic doesn't deserve to be here is unacceptable.
So play nice in here and keep the debates and hate outside please.
I am proud to present you the Official (well, almost) Kelly Milkies Fan Club! In this thread we show our love and support for the third templar of the casting archon.
- Kelly is now the Community Outreach Manager at own3D.tv
- Kelly speaks about her experience in the SC2 community, what her role is now, and female gaming:
Kelly 'KellyMILKIES' Ong Xiao Wei is from Singapore and began gaming in 2005 playing competitive Counter-Strike with both male and female teams. Since then, she has been successful in multiple titles, including Guitar Hero, Rock Band and Defense of the Ancients. Now, as a caster, she has worked with World Cyber Games, Electronic Sports World Cup and some of South East Asia's biggest organisers.
Kelly's interest in StarCraft II arose from the complex game engine and add to that, the solo nature of the game meant that Kelly didn't have to "deal with team drama" of team-based games.
Kelly was recruited by GomTV networks in prior to the fifth season of the Global Starcraft League to serve as a caster for the english audience. She is currently working as a commentator of the Code A league alongside Dan "Artosis" Stemkoski and Nick "Tasteless" Plott.
*Professional commentator for HoN, DotA and SC2 *Her casting-style can be described as energic, observant and educational *Favorite hero in DotA is Shadow Fiend *Favourite hero in HoN is Witch Hunter *Playing for clan aLt B-Team in SC2 *Plays Zerg in StarCraft II *Her Birthday is 1989-12-05 *Shares Artosis love for Guinea Pigs *Her favourite colors are gray and green *Favourite animal is the koalabear *Starcraft 2 is her favourite game of all time
NOTE If there is anything that you feel should be added to the highlights or general stub in this post, pleast contact me through PM or write a post in the thread and i will add it as soon as im able to. Any contributions in form of good pictures, Youtube videos or Gif is MUCH appreciated. Thank You![/center]
Yeah, i do agree that Artosis+Kelly works much, much better than Tasteless and Kelly for obvious reasons. Their styles are much more compatible with each others
I predict, in three months the haters gonna still be hating, but the overwhelming part of the community will have accepted her, and not out of frustration but because of her constant improvement that will make listening to her casting even more enjoyable.
This is a great thread and very professionally done. You should get the kelly-artosis high five fakeout gif up here as well IMO, just for a touch of humor to it.
Also, I'd even go so far as to say it seems to me that her game knowledge is actually superior to that of tasteless. Obviously that's not the only thing important in a commenator, but it is definitely a BIG one in my opinion. I'm not hating on tasteless either, I think his commentary, synergy with artosis, and humor still make him a "better" caster than kelly slightly, but the synergy and humor of kelly will grow as she continues to get more comfortable with her position. See the aforementioned hi five fakeout for evidence of this.
Go Kelly!
Edit: Any chance we could get this spotlighted? I think this thread does a lot for the community.
She really is doing a great job with the casting this season I think. You can really hear in her casts that she plays/watches a TON of games and really is very knowledgeable on the game.
On March 03 2011 10:30 TheDougler wrote: Also, I'd even go so far as to say it seems to me that her game knowledge is actually superior to that of tasteless. Go Kelly!
lol are you kidding me? not at all. Her game knowledge isn't that good. But I still support her. I was made a fan when she avenged Grack
On March 03 2011 10:30 TheDougler wrote: This is a great thread and very professionally done. You should get the kelly-artosis high five fakeout gif up here as well IMO, just for a touch of humor to it.
Also, I'd even go so far as to say it seems to me that her game knowledge is actually superior to that of tasteless. Obviously that's not the only thing important in a commenator, but it is definitely a BIG one in my opinion. I'm not hating on tasteless either, I think his commentary, synergy with artosis, and humor still make him a "better" caster than kelly slightly, but the synergy and humor of kelly will grow as she continues to get more comfortable with her position. See the aforementioned hi five fakeout for evidence of this.
Go Kelly!
Edit: Any chance we could get this spotlighted? I think this thread does a lot for the community.
if someone can find this gif and post it here, that person gets a cookie!
also i dont think she has more knowledge than tasteless but she certainly has more enthusiasm
Sign me up! (And can you remove "support group" from the thread title? It legitimates the silliness that went on here when she got the gig.)
Being a SEA player I was a fan of km before she even got to Korea, but even accepting this I'm really impressed how much of the (pretty harsh) criticism she has assimilated and how much she has adjusted her casting to address weaknesses. She obviously is really giving the job her all. Totally respect what she's doing.
Also props to Artosis and Tasteless for being cool.
Go Kels!
(Oh and go moonglade! What an IEM so far!)
(Oh and should we add or link stuff like the hi5 denial and the Rachael(?) interview and stuff in the OP?)
Yeah i guess you can remove the support group part fromt the title, its a bit misleading. Its not like she needs a support group, im sure she can look after herself
I am curious of GOM's selecting criteria, but I do support her and applaud her efforts thus far. I hope she gets better and raises the bar- she certainly has plenty of room for improvement and I look forward to seeing it happen.
1. She adds much needed diversity and colour to the scene. This seriously isn't needed, you want to add asian diversity into a predominantly asian dominated scene? She isn't casting the IEM, she is casting in Korea.
I know some people are annoyed by her accent but i find it refreshing, energic and sincerley put; pretty damn cute.
So you are judging her merit not on her skill, but because she's a woman.
Most people probably dont realize this, but for being born and raised in singapore, her english is really really good.
But her accent sounds as thick as someone who has only been speaking English for a couple months and it is a pain to understand. This is the biggest factor of all about being a caster, if I have to focus on what you're saying then you're drawing my attention away from the game instead of augumenting my game viewing experience.
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech. If you where to learn chinese or any other east-asian language you would pretty quickly understand the technical difficulities, because your vocal cords are not trained to the movements that those languages are built around, and it works the other way around. Listen to John for example, who is a very talented and hard working indivudual, but even he has a very hard time pronouncing certain words and phrases. I think its remarkable that kelly can speak and pronounce english so well and at such a fast pace (hehe) because most singaproreans could never come close to her level even if they trained for 25 years. SO WHAT if her pronounciation of some units/abilities is not perfect. She might say "Borrow" and "Steem" but its not like you dont understand that she is refering to Burrow/Stim.
Who cares. Zero relevancy to Starcraft. You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
You get the message, so why be bothered?
Because having to expend a tidbit of brainpower to make out what she's saying instead of it naturally clicking is a huge problem.
2. She has unquestionable passion and joy for what she is doing. She radiates energy and her voice is filled with excitement and enthusiasm wich is refreshing and in my opinion makes the game more exciting to watch, and her interest in the game and what happens on the screen is very convincing.
Really? My experiences are that she is incredibly monotone and the only thing she honestly seems to be enthusiastic about is Tasteless.
3. She has already proved to be highly Observant, Catching small details and paying attention to everything that goes on.
You're amazed by this when it's basically the only responsibility she has other than parroting the calls of Artosis/Tasteless?
4. She has Improved with every set so far and i think its safe to assume that she listens to feedback. Some issues are easy to solve (talking slower) other things require more time and training (learning how to pronounce certain words/letters better) but im pretty sure that this girl will be a top-notch caster in a couple of months if we just give her time to improve and adapt to her new life in Korea.
Her accent is still as unintelligible as day 1 and that is the reason people don't like her.
i mean, how often do you get the chance to hear a cute girl from singapore commentate a game that you love? just think about that for a minute or two ^_^
Posts like this further emphasis that you are blinded solely by the fact that she has a pair of tits and you're giving her an easier time because of it.
If we had a male caster who spoke with as thick of an accent, you would not be crusading to defend him right now.
Didn't read your post, not really a fan of her casting, but I'll join because it'll make people like iko angry. Who enters the fanclub topic of someone they don't like just to shit on people?
Go Kelly, keep improving, I'm sure you'll be great etc.
Most people probably dont realize this, but for being born and raised in singapore, her english is really really good. I have traveled a lot through asia i can say that during my stays there, i never met anyone who had nearly as good pronounciation as her and noone came close to the volume of her english vocabulary (wich is REALLY impressive).
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech.
Sorry to burst your bubble but:
English is the main language in Singapore and is used in instruction throughout their schooling system. Also, it's bad to lump everyone in the Asia region together (people realise there exists a diverse and varied culture amongst Europeans, but apparently not so when it comes to the Asia region).
iko: If you want to bash her/argue about her casting abilities, i must kindly ask you to go somewhere else because this is a fan thread not a thread for debate.
But let me just say that i am not judging her on the merit of being a woman rather than her skill. I like her because i think she makes the GSL more entertaining to watch. I watch Starcraft 2 because i enjoy it, and she makes me enjoy it even more. That makes her "Skilled" in my book, as it is a game commentators job to make the experience of watching more enjoyable for the viewers.
There is really nothing to argue about here. All this "you only like her because she has tits!!!" nonsense is pointless. I enjoy watching KellyMilkies cast games and there is nothing you can say or argue that will make me change my mind about her. She is here, deal with it. Some people like her, deal with it.
Now i must kindly ask all of you to refrain from flaming, if you want to argue/flame about her casting "skill", do that in another thread.
I think her casting is perfectly fine she has a alottt of knowledge of starcraft 2 , and i think she's a good permanent addition to cast code A alongside Artosis :D
Plus she's cute . I also think Tasteless has a little crush on her
Should i add everyone who expresses themself positivley about kelly to the list of supports or strictly those who write "count me in" or stuff like that? this is the first fan thread i create so i dont know the "rules"
I agree with miragev2. I find that she adds actually a significant amount of content to the casting--I'm not expecting a third tasteless/artosis out of a first-time GSL caster but her game knowledge and recognition is a lot more than many give her credit for; she usually has many insightful details which, at least for me, really help explain and help me enjoy what is going on (the purpose of casting).
Also for all of you people who are about to play the "oh you gold league noob bpgbcg what do you know about game knowledge" card, I would say the following.
The GSL is not an event made to entertain solely 3k masters players. For people hoping that every game-related comment will add value for everyone, you're going to be disappointed. Even for the aforementioned gold league noob that I am, even the great caster Tasteless said something along the lines of that hatch first is the most vulnerable build of zerg to early rushes--to my mind somewhat obvious.
The point, to me, is that GSL is supposed to entertain all levels of players. Yes, Kelly makes some simplistic comments sometimes. She also makes some very insightful ones, for the reason just mentioned.
Also, can we please tone down the heatedness of the loathing that some people apparently feel for this new caster? I realize that your opinions are your own, but please don't express them in such an inciting way.
I realize I only dealt with item 3 of the OP, and I apologize for this long, rambling post. However, I just wanted to present my views on the matter.
I apologize if this post incites anyone's anger--please know that I did not mean it that way.
P.S. My first real post on TL! Hi everyone.
P.P.S. You can add me to the list Also, sorry if this continues the argument which I desperately would like to stop.
The fact that you need to include support group speaks for itself and doesn't help the bashing. Trying to display her as a straight caster is most optimal. Start a fan page, not a post which basically just defends her. If you want her to be accepted at the least, start treating her like an on-par caster, not some new person whose learning to get better.
On March 03 2011 11:51 subtset wrote: The fact that you need to include support group speaks for itself and doesn't help the bashing. Trying to display her as a straight caster is most optimal. Start a fan page, not a post which basically just defends her. If you want her to be accepted at the least, start treating her like an on-par caster, not some new person whose learning to get better.
I will edit the OP as time progresses. Also, i dont see anything wrong pointing out her strenghts as a caster in a thread that is dedicated to her casting.
Count me in. She has more game knowledge then a bunch of the casters from Gosugaming and ragequit.tv
I would rather listen to her than the casters at assembly any day. I'll take a thick accent over a flat out lisp. For as much criticism as she gets, people seriously need to compare her to some of the dime a dozen casters. They'll notice immediately that she isn't as much of a suckfest as they say.
I am a huge fan of Kelly. She understands the game. She is intelligent. When Tasteless continues to ramble on and on about movies and other nonsense, she reorients the commentary. I honestly don't like Tasteless as much as I used to when seeing him without Artosis at his side. Tasteless is great. But GOM did excellently providing variety and newness to the GOM casting group. It makes Code A fun to watch.
On March 03 2011 11:43 Antisocialmunky wrote: The OP post really rubs me the wrong way though I think she will be a really good caster some day.
And why is that? a little constructive critism would be much appreciated.
This is from my perspective, sorry to cut in:
It has good intentions, but broad generalizations. It is also somewhat ironic that your English is flawed while complimenting hers, which in the eyes of the reader casts instant skepticism about your content. I think that if you are going to make a fan club thread, you need to be diligent enough to make sure it is written correctly.
Also, you should put up some content: the high-five YT video, some pictures perhaps.
Yeah can I add to what I said earlier - I think labelling this a "support group" is just attracting troll and flame posts, it should (I think) be a regular fan thread, and crit posts should be ignored ie. people shouldn't fall over themselves to respond to the same arguments re accent etc that have been covered ad infinitum in other threads. The girl/accent/gameknowledge topics are endless pointless redundant discussions at this point.
In the same vein, would the OP consider perhaps modifying the OP to make it just a regular caster introduction and link to cool material, and move the "defense" content to a post in the thread? Again I feel starting the thread off defensively like that just has the effect of encouraging people who dislike her casting to come in here and do their dance.
On March 03 2011 11:43 Antisocialmunky wrote: The OP post really rubs me the wrong way though I think she will be a really good caster some day.
And why is that? a little constructive critism would be much appreciated.
Personally I feel like the OP reads more like a blog post defending her casting style than the opening of a fan club thread. It should, IMO, be more about the person, her achievements, trivia, pics, vids etc., and much less about you, your personal views on her casting style, why you're not a "white knight", "her haters" etc.
I suggest looking at the other fan club threads, like the Tastosis one.
KellyMilkies is by far the most cool and excellent caster! I think her addition has added some much needed new blood to the code A scene at least and certainly has made watching games more enjoyable.
I am of the opinion that this will one day be one of the most enormous of enormous threads, and I will have the honor of having been one of the first to sign on ))
Really enjoy her commentary. As a 3k zerg, I hear much more confusion coming from tasteless than kelly. Plus high fiving, plus huk support. Sign me up.
I almost wish you didn't make this thread because it's another thread/ excuse for people who dont like her to express their feelings and cause more fights.
Not really a fan and honestly taking all my energy not to hate so I dont get banned. I truly hope she improves though if she's going to be around for a while!
On March 03 2011 12:39 McKTenor13 wrote: I almost wish you didn't make this thread because it's another thread/ excuse for people who dont like her to express their feelings and cause more fights.
It's a fan club thread- if people don't like her they can stay TFO. Why is this so hard to understand?
i mean, how often do you get the chance to hear a cute girl from singapore commentate a game that you love? just think about that for a minute or two ^_^
Posts like this further emphasis that you are blinded solely by the fact that she has a pair of tits and you're giving her an easier time because of it.
If we had a male caster who spoke with as thick of an accent, you would not be crusading to defend him right now.
TLO, RotterdaM, Khaldor all have heavy German or Dutch accents and even commentate in another language yet still get a lot of (deserving) positive feedback.
On March 03 2011 12:39 McKTenor13 wrote: I almost wish you didn't make this thread because it's another thread/ excuse for people who dont like her to express their feelings and cause more fights.
It's a fan club thread- if people don't like her they can stay TFO. Why is this so hard to understand?
Because when I first clicked on it, it was called a support group, not a fanclub. Didnt change until after i submitted that. That's why it's "hard to understand"
Sign me up Also the OP is looking better already! I'm impressed. Goodwork people with the videos and goodwork OP for putting them front and center with your own opinion in a spoiler, that too is very professional. All in all a very solid post...
...Except the "support group" bit. I'm not sure if playing the pity card is necessary or even very beneficial here.
On March 03 2011 12:39 McKTenor13 wrote: I almost wish you didn't make this thread because it's another thread/ excuse for people who dont like her to express their feelings and cause more fights.
It's a fan club thread- if people don't like her they can stay TFO. Why is this so hard to understand?
Because when I first clicked on it, it was called a support group, not a fanclub. Didnt change until after i submitted that. That's why it's "hard to understand"
The title of the thread has not changed. A request has been sent to Hot_Bid to remove the Support Group part.
To clarify, as a non-english speaker i was not aware of the fact that "Support Group" had such a negative vibe to it. When translated directly into swedish, the meaning is literary the same as "Fan club" except with different wording.
Honestly, the high five maneuver was epic. That eclipsed anything Tasteosis ever concocted. That said, moments like those are very few and far between with Keltosis (LOL) and Telly.
On March 03 2011 12:39 McKTenor13 wrote: I almost wish you didn't make this thread because it's another thread/ excuse for people who dont like her to express their feelings and cause more fights.
It's a fan club thread- if people don't like her they can stay TFO. Why is this so hard to understand?
Because when I first clicked on it, it was called a support group, not a fanclub. Didnt change until after i submitted that. That's why it's "hard to understand"
The title of the thread has not changed. A request has been sent to Hot_Bid to remove the Support Group part.
To clarify, as a non-english speaker i was not aware of the fact that "Support Group" had such a negative vibe to it. When translated directly into swedish, the meaning is literary the same as "Fan club" except with different wording.
I apologize for that, I really just read kellymilkies and support group and completely ignored the fanclub part. haha
It can have a negetive vibe in certain instances. support groups are usually for people with problems and they go to them to overcome and get rid of their problem. So in a sense, by making this a "support group" it is saying she has a problem and people need to make her feel better by saying nice things. So hopefully that can be changed soon
You know what, good for her. She has heart, she loves the game, she loves what she is doing. And in my book, that is first and foremost what is needed in order to cast. You guys nit pick so much about her pronunciation, etc - but I don't see YOU out there putting yourself up for the world to analyze YOUR behaviors and nuances.
Good luck, Kelly. Continue to grow and learn and enjoy this opportunity! Take what people say with a grain of salt and just continue to improve yourself and the cast and GOM in the best way you can.
I've been wanting to create a fan-club for her for a while now, but on looking at the other fanclubs, I could see that I didn't have the time to do it justice atm. Congratz to you and others like chocopan, wishbones, deL who added useful links.
On March 03 2011 13:15 lilsusie wrote: You know what, good for her. She has heart, she loves the game, she loves what she is doing. And in my book, that is first and foremost what is needed in order to cast. You guys nit pick so much about her pronunciation, etc - but I don't see YOU out there putting yourself up for the world to analyze YOUR behaviors and nuances.
Good luck, Kelly. Continue to grow and learn and enjoy this opportunity! Take what people say with a grain of salt and just continue to improve yourself and the cast and GOM in the best way you can.
Cheers.
I couldn't have said it better myself... she loves what she does, she has improved just in the 2 weeks that she has been casting the GSL.
Someone who has passion for what she does and has the willingness to grow does not deserve such hostility. She doesn't have that bad of an accent really. If you are complaining about that then your just not trying in my honest opinion. If you just dont like her style I can understand that.
That being said...
You go girl keep doing your thing, follow your dreams, and let the haters hate - cause thats what they do.
On March 03 2011 11:43 Antisocialmunky wrote: The OP post really rubs me the wrong way though I think she will be a really good caster some day.
And why is that? a little constructive critism would be much appreciated.
1. She adds much needed diversity and colour to the scene. As much as i love tasteless and artosis and every other american caster/commentator, it gets tedious after a while to always listen to american/european males talk and analyze the games. I know some people are annoyed by her accent but i find it refreshing, energic and sincerley put; pretty damn cute.
Most people probably dont realize this, but for being born and raised in singapore, her english is really really good. I have traveled a lot through asia i can say that during my stays there, i never met anyone who had nearly as good pronounciation as her and noone came close to the volume of her english vocabulary (wich is REALLY impressive).
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech. If you where to learn chinese or any other east-asian language you would pretty quickly understand the technical difficulities, because your vocal cords are not trained to the movements that those languages are built around, and it works the other way around. Listen to John for example, who is a very talented and hard working indivudual, but even he has a very hard time pronouncing certain words and phrases. I think its remarkable that kelly can speak and pronounce english so well and at such a fast pace (hehe) because most singaproreans could never come close to her level even if they trained for 25 years. SO WHAT if her pronounciation of some units/abilities is not perfect. She might say "Borrow" and "Steem" but its not like you dont understand that she is refering to Burrow/Stim. You get the message, so why be bothered?
You're arguing that she should be supported because she's not a white guy and that and she can't help her accent. You should support her because you enjoy her as a caster or want to see her succeed or something and not single out her shortcomings as reasons why she should be given preferential treatment. Don't treat people as charity cases for the sole reasons they are different. If you don't enjoy her, you don't, if you do, you do- both sides have valid reasons. Anything else is a disservice to her and every other caster out there that have their own challenges and what not.
You know what, good for her. She has heart, she loves the game, she loves what she is doing. And in my book, that is first and foremost what is needed in order to cast. You guys nit pick so much about her pronunciation, etc - but I don't see YOU out there putting yourself up for the world to analyze YOUR behaviors and nuances.
Good luck, Kelly. Continue to grow and learn and enjoy this opportunity! Take what people say with a grain of salt and just continue to improve yourself and the cast and GOM in the best way you can.
On March 03 2011 13:15 lilsusie wrote: You know what, good for her. She has heart, she loves the game, she loves what she is doing. And in my book, that is first and foremost what is needed in order to cast. You guys nit pick so much about her pronunciation, etc - but I don't see YOU out there putting yourself up for the world to analyze YOUR behaviors and nuances.
Good luck, Kelly. Continue to grow and learn and enjoy this opportunity! Take what people say with a grain of salt and just continue to improve yourself and the cast and GOM in the best way you can.
Cheers.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Which is why I won't try ^.^
I thought from the first day of Code A that she was decent and didn't deserve the criticism. She's not THAT hard to understand, and at least she's enthusiastic and knows a bit about the players and teams, and even a bit about strategy.
People just need to stop comparing her to her replacement (Artosis and Tasteless, alternating days), because nobody would be better than them. Good luck Kelly! You landed a dream job.
i think she's a fine commentator ... and the only "problem" (if you would call it that) was the first time she was doing GSL ... just too fast (similar to Husky fast)
however i could still understand what she was saying ... which is why it wasn't even a problem for me
I've never signed up for these group things before so I feel a little odd posting here now. I suppose I want to support her because the amount of hate she is getting is really disproportionate.
I think she is an enthusiastic and able caster and support her. She will improve over time to become a great caster.
I am gradually becoming a Kelly fan. Her level of commentary has gotten significantly better even since the beginning of code A. I never had any trouble understanding her accent. I get the impression that she is working really hard and it's paying off, so I say keep up the good work!
I'm not really into the whole 'fanclub' thing, and I'm not really interested in joining this one either, but I'd just like to pop in here and say that I'm glad somebody started up a fanclub for her. I think Kelly's an entertaining, enthusiastic commentator and I certainly don't think she deserves all the hate she's been getting. She has my support! =)
I can understand her just fine- she has game sense enough to point out what matters, knows builds/strats, and she has good chemistry with both the other casters.
I've been supporting her on the GOM forums... trying to balance out the unfounded hate.
Kelly's knowledge and understanding of Starcraft is solid, IMO. She does her homework also, which I like. Her observations enrich the broadcasts, and I look forward to watching her grow as a caster.
I don't think it's her fault she has a thick accent, and she's doing her best, so I think that's enough for now. Some of her comments I've found to be lacking game-sense, but again, can be solved by more casting experience and paying close attention to how Tastosis see things.
I listened to her during HuK's games, and did a comparison to HuK's first round game and holy she's improved so much! She's enunciating her words better, she's not getting overly excited, yet keeping enthusiasm and her accent doesn't bother me nearly as much anymore. She's starting to grow on me. :D
On March 03 2011 14:12 frequency wrote: Four mana for a 4/6 creature? Imba.
We here at Blizzard have to balance the cards for casuals as well as for professional players. We felt that having the card too costly was disuading players from using it in their Decks. Having caster cards at slightly reduced costs will help produce more interesting macro-based games.
Having had the pleasure of listening her casting of the SEA tournaments before she hit the GSL i'd say people need to stop with the accent hate, I really don't understand how anyone can say that it's such a thick accent you can't make out her words - open your ears.
Also the fact she anounces things as soon as they happen and not half to 3/4 of the way done on the production tab makes her casting even better then Tastosis ^^
I like her, she's a breath of fresh air compared to tastless/artosis/every other white 20 year old american male casting/commentating SC2 matches. Nothing against tastosis (I love them both) but in this bubble community of TL we have our in-jokes etc. and it can get tiresome seeing people behave in a more and more homogenised way for fear of being ostracised by the community.
Sometimes I think there's just too much pent-up nerd rage on these forums...as if bash a cute girl casting your favorite game. She genuinely loves SC2 and is decent at it too, she's not a pretty 'sex sells' puppet thrown into the casting booth by GOM who has no idea what's going on.
Although I certainly don't think she was the best choice for the casting job, I think she's doing a pretty damn good job of trying to conform to advice. (After the initial fiasco) Don't sign me up, but at least she's trying.
Count me in, I really like her casting and agree she adds content.
On another note, I really think you should change the OP. This shouldn't be about defending her from accusations that are baseless and stupid. Just ignore them. Ditch the "support group" part of the thread, both in name and content. Stick with the highlight reels, the why she is awesome...
To be honest, from growing up on a farm in the rural midwest and never having visited a different country(when you live in Michigan Canada doesn't count) I don't have any issues understanding her. It's not Tasteless and Artosis but at the same time, she's doing fine and getting better with every cast. You're doing fine Kelly, keep up the good work.
Honestly I was quite worried based on the interview before the season started, but it turns out that was for nothing, she's an excellent caster, and adds a lot to the games. Also Kelly helps change things up from just being Artosis/Tasteless every game, which I didn't even realise would make watching the GSL better before I actually saw it. Sign me up.
Why are people bashing her in her own fan thread? Don't you have enough hate threads already? If you're not a fan of a player, you stay out of their thread... I don't see why this is any different.
Very glad to see this thread after all the stupid ranting.
Sign me up! I liked her when she first did it, and she only got way better, especially when she tries talking a bit more slowly! Hope she stays on for future seasons and gets some extra gigs in between.
I love you guys *-* idk what to say. I love the pokemon card and encouragement and I will work so much harder. I might have been a bit overexcited in Huk's game last night but don't blame me. It WAS exciting. I was standing up and casting that #o#;;!!
On March 03 2011 17:34 kellymilkies wrote: I love you guys *-* idk what to say. I love the pokemon card and encouragement and I will work so much harder. I might have been a bit overexcited in Huk's game last night but don't blame me. It WAS exciting. I was standing up and casting that #o#;;!!
It's a Magic the Gathering card! I don't suppose anyone can hold it against you in your own thread, though. Good luck casting future events!
she is okay with me. I really dont understand why all this Kelly hate is getting blown out of proportion. She has a accent, yes we all understand that but it's not like shes speaking a foreign language. Her english is still understandable even when she gets excited and speaks really fast(most of the time, I only recall once or twice when I scratched my head and asked myself what was just said).
The only thing that's bothering me is Kelly and Tasteless, those two just don't cast well because they both take the same role where Artosis does all the explaining and predictions. I find it pretty amazing how she's dealing with the criticism (more like insults) so well from a community that wants starcraft to grow.
She's also speaking better from what I saw last night. I missed a Code A round or two and realized immediately that she's slowing down and trying to enunciate her words.
The only thing I do have to say is it sounds like shes not putting emotions to her words. they sound very monotone and have no excitement. Take a look at the korean commentators they sometime scream so much that you can hear them through the english commentators mics.
I know this girl gets a lot of bashing and i know some of you might want to accuse me of "White-Knightery" for starting this group or even protecting her, but i want to emphazie that i geniuinley like her as a Caster and i can assure you that it has nothing to do with "weeaboism" or "asian girl fetischism" or anything like that.
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1. She adds much needed diversity and colour to the scene. As much as i love tasteless and artosis and every other american caster/commentator, it gets tedious after a while to always listen to american/european males talk and analyze the games. I know some people are annoyed by her accent but i find it refreshing, energic and sincerley put; pretty damn cute.
inherently contradictory? You don't like her because she's female and Asian... you like her because she's not white and not male and cute?
Edit: =P As a female Asian caster I sure as hell want to be liked for my casting/commentating ability and absolutely not at all because of "diversity."
Kelly has shown huge improvements; you can really tell she's working on her speech as well as researching players before casting--give her props for that instead.
P.S.
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech.
English is one of Singapore's official languages and is the primary language used to teach in school. Careful about your generalizations about "her part of the world."
No they aren't inherently contradictory. The first statement is asserting that his devotion to her is not sexual/creepy in nature (hence use of the word fetish). The second statement asserts that people of a different nationality and background are worthwhile additions to the Tasteless/Artosis team.
On March 03 2011 14:12 frequency wrote: Four mana for a 4/6 creature? Imba.
We here at Blizzard have to balance the cards for casuals as well as for professional players. We felt that having the card too costly was disuading players from using it in their Decks. Having caster cards at slightly reduced costs will help produce more interesting macro-based games.
Do you really want chat channels?
not enough LOVE for this post
I won't "sign up" as I am not fan, but I like her, she is mixing stuff up and takes the mickey with Tastless and Artosis.
Keep going Kelly you improved a lot in just this few days time.
I'm really proud of kelly and her quick improvement in the GSL! I enjoy her casting and interactions with tasteless and artosis. .. and avenging IdrA!!!
I know this girl gets a lot of bashing and i know some of you might want to accuse me of "White-Knightery" for starting this group or even protecting her, but i want to emphazie that i geniuinley like her as a Caster and i can assure you that it has nothing to do with "weeaboism" or "asian girl fetischism" or anything like that.
1. She adds much needed diversity and colour to the scene. As much as i love tasteless and artosis and every other american caster/commentator, it gets tedious after a while to always listen to american/european males talk and analyze the games. I know some people are annoyed by her accent but i find it refreshing, energic and sincerley put; pretty damn cute.
inherently contradictory? You don't like her because she's female and Asian... you like her because she's not white and not male and cute?
Edit: =P As a female Asian caster I sure as hell want to be liked for my casting/commentating ability and absolutely not at all because of "diversity."
Kelly has shown huge improvements; you can really tell she's working on her speech as well as researching players before casting--give her props for that instead.
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech.
English is one of Singapore's official languages and is the primary language used to teach in school. Careful about your generalizations about "her part of the world."
I am ambivalent to Kelly's role as she's now hired into it so obviously opinions on effectiveness really doesn't matter on a public forum like teamliquid. I do agree with your post in mainly the fact that OP pre proposes his point with, "I'm not whiting knighting or asian girl fetishing" and then launches into points that sound very much like it. Doing so really gives off the impression of the very opposite. For example, saying "I'm not gay but he seems attractive." is different than flat out saying "he seems attractive". In the latter, the question of sexual preference doesn't come up because in the speaker's point, it's not an issue.
Second, I'm not certain about this diversity OP is referring to. Do you really think white male anchor + Asian female co-anchor is ... diverse? If anything I'm surprised Blizzard is pulling off something so gimmick. It really says something when the OP is about a girl that's referred to as "adds "colour to the scene ... and an accent that requires the defense of "... sincerley put; pretty damn cute."
Kellymilkis doesn't deserve most of the bash she gets because regardless of faults or merits, she contributes to the scene but her fanboys (like most in any scene really) certainly don't endear her case many.
I heard alot of bad things about her but I thought she casted verywell. The high five revenge was great and she did a great job. Keep up the great work
Most people probably dont realize this, but for being born and raised in singapore, her english is really really good. I have traveled a lot through asia i can say that during my stays there, i never met anyone who had nearly as good pronounciation as her and noone came close to the volume of her english vocabulary (wich is REALLY impressive).
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech.
just wondering if you knew that one of the main (if not THE main) language of Singapore, one used in official documentation, taught in schools...etc is in fact English? with that said, the accent spoken in Singapore is quite...distinct and difficult to change
Wasn't her old Tumblr, fuckslits.tmblr? If it was, grrl gamer ftw fml...! I enjoy her on GSL too. Keep expressing yourself Kelly and you'll do great in the community.
Sign me up. When she does speak too fast, I understand 80% of what she is saying, but when she speaks slowly, she speaks so well. If she relaxes a little bit she will be insanly good. As people already pointed out, she observes small details which is sexy as hell. And hey, she does look good!
Adding Kelly to the casting team is a great improvement by GOM. She's a great caster, and brings a lot to casting stylistically and personality-wise. Having a broader casting team has caused me to watch more GSL than previously.
She's also improved a great deal in a short time, and she was an excellent caster to begin with.
Good caster, and most of all, it gives tasteless and artosis some time off from casting. So way thumbs up for keeping our favourite casting archon fresh.
Gogo kelly! High 5 against Artosis was a great moment and he way deserved it ; ).
1. She adds much needed diversity and colour to the scene. This seriously isn't needed, you want to add asian diversity into a predominantly asian dominated scene? She isn't casting the IEM, she is casting in Korea.
Most people probably dont realize this, but for being born and raised in singapore, her english is really really good.
But her accent sounds as thick as someone who has only been speaking English for a couple months and it is a pain to understand. This is the biggest factor of all about being a caster, if I have to focus on what you're saying then you're drawing my attention away from the game instead of augumenting my game viewing experience.
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech. If you where to learn chinese or any other east-asian language you would pretty quickly understand the technical difficulities, because your vocal cords are not trained to the movements that those languages are built around, and it works the other way around. Listen to John for example, who is a very talented and hard working indivudual, but even he has a very hard time pronouncing certain words and phrases. I think its remarkable that kelly can speak and pronounce english so well and at such a fast pace (hehe) because most singaproreans could never come close to her level even if they trained for 25 years. SO WHAT if her pronounciation of some units/abilities is not perfect. She might say "Borrow" and "Steem" but its not like you dont understand that she is refering to Burrow/Stim.
Who cares. Zero relevancy to Starcraft. You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
2. She has unquestionable passion and joy for what she is doing. She radiates energy and her voice is filled with excitement and enthusiasm wich is refreshing and in my opinion makes the game more exciting to watch, and her interest in the game and what happens on the screen is very convincing.
Really? My experiences are that she is incredibly monotone and the only thing she honestly seems to be enthusiastic about is Tasteless.
4. She has Improved with every set so far and i think its safe to assume that she listens to feedback. Some issues are easy to solve (talking slower) other things require more time and training (learning how to pronounce certain words/letters better) but im pretty sure that this girl will be a top-notch caster in a couple of months if we just give her time to improve and adapt to her new life in Korea.
Her accent is still as unintelligible as day 1 and that is the reason people don't like her.
i mean, how often do you get the chance to hear a cute girl from singapore commentate a game that you love? just think about that for a minute or two ^_^
Posts like this further emphasis that you are blinded solely by the fact that she has a pair of tits and you're giving her an easier time because of it.
If we had a male caster who spoke with as thick of an accent, you would not be crusading to defend him right now.
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Ban him all you like , but he's totally right. It's exactly like liking pop music. The music is horrible ,but the girls are hot so u still listen to it.
This thread given what's gone before is bound to attract trolling. Please don't feed them. These arguments have been gone over a thousand times in other threads, respond there if you feel you really have to.
1. She adds much needed diversity and colour to the scene. This seriously isn't needed, you want to add asian diversity into a predominantly asian dominated scene? She isn't casting the IEM, she is casting in Korea.
I know some people are annoyed by her accent but i find it refreshing, energic and sincerley put; pretty damn cute.
So you are judging her merit not on her skill, but because she's a woman.
Most people probably dont realize this, but for being born and raised in singapore, her english is really really good.
But her accent sounds as thick as someone who has only been speaking English for a couple months and it is a pain to understand. This is the biggest factor of all about being a caster, if I have to focus on what you're saying then you're drawing my attention away from the game instead of augumenting my game viewing experience.
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech. If you where to learn chinese or any other east-asian language you would pretty quickly understand the technical difficulities, because your vocal cords are not trained to the movements that those languages are built around, and it works the other way around. Listen to John for example, who is a very talented and hard working indivudual, but even he has a very hard time pronouncing certain words and phrases. I think its remarkable that kelly can speak and pronounce english so well and at such a fast pace (hehe) because most singaproreans could never come close to her level even if they trained for 25 years. SO WHAT if her pronounciation of some units/abilities is not perfect. She might say "Borrow" and "Steem" but its not like you dont understand that she is refering to Burrow/Stim.
Who cares. Zero relevancy to Starcraft. You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
You get the message, so why be bothered?
Because having to expend a tidbit of brainpower to make out what she's saying instead of it naturally clicking is a huge problem.
2. She has unquestionable passion and joy for what she is doing. She radiates energy and her voice is filled with excitement and enthusiasm wich is refreshing and in my opinion makes the game more exciting to watch, and her interest in the game and what happens on the screen is very convincing.
Really? My experiences are that she is incredibly monotone and the only thing she honestly seems to be enthusiastic about is Tasteless.
3. She has already proved to be highly Observant, Catching small details and paying attention to everything that goes on.
You're amazed by this when it's basically the only responsibility she has other than parroting the calls of Artosis/Tasteless?
4. She has Improved with every set so far and i think its safe to assume that she listens to feedback. Some issues are easy to solve (talking slower) other things require more time and training (learning how to pronounce certain words/letters better) but im pretty sure that this girl will be a top-notch caster in a couple of months if we just give her time to improve and adapt to her new life in Korea.
Her accent is still as unintelligible as day 1 and that is the reason people don't like her.
i mean, how often do you get the chance to hear a cute girl from singapore commentate a game that you love? just think about that for a minute or two ^_^
Posts like this further emphasis that you are blinded solely by the fact that she has a pair of tits and you're giving her an easier time because of it.
If we had a male caster who spoke with as thick of an accent, you would not be crusading to defend him right now.
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Ban him all you like , but he's totally right. It's exactly like liking pop music. The music is horrible ,but the girls are hot so u still listen to it.
But why are you bringing this to her fanclub? There are many threads where you can voice your disapproval. Leave this one alone.
On March 03 2011 21:35 Blizzard_torments_me wrote:
On March 03 2011 11:17 iko wrote:
On March 03 2011 10:18 dark fury wrote:
1. She adds much needed diversity and colour to the scene. This seriously isn't needed, you want to add asian diversity into a predominantly asian dominated scene? She isn't casting the IEM, she is casting in Korea.
I know some people are annoyed by her accent but i find it refreshing, energic and sincerley put; pretty damn cute.
So you are judging her merit not on her skill, but because she's a woman.
Most people probably dont realize this, but for being born and raised in singapore, her english is really really good.
But her accent sounds as thick as someone who has only been speaking English for a couple months and it is a pain to understand. This is the biggest factor of all about being a caster, if I have to focus on what you're saying then you're drawing my attention away from the game instead of augumenting my game viewing experience.
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech. If you where to learn chinese or any other east-asian language you would pretty quickly understand the technical difficulities, because your vocal cords are not trained to the movements that those languages are built around, and it works the other way around. Listen to John for example, who is a very talented and hard working indivudual, but even he has a very hard time pronouncing certain words and phrases. I think its remarkable that kelly can speak and pronounce english so well and at such a fast pace (hehe) because most singaproreans could never come close to her level even if they trained for 25 years. SO WHAT if her pronounciation of some units/abilities is not perfect. She might say "Borrow" and "Steem" but its not like you dont understand that she is refering to Burrow/Stim.
Who cares. Zero relevancy to Starcraft. You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
You get the message, so why be bothered?
Because having to expend a tidbit of brainpower to make out what she's saying instead of it naturally clicking is a huge problem.
2. She has unquestionable passion and joy for what she is doing. She radiates energy and her voice is filled with excitement and enthusiasm wich is refreshing and in my opinion makes the game more exciting to watch, and her interest in the game and what happens on the screen is very convincing.
Really? My experiences are that she is incredibly monotone and the only thing she honestly seems to be enthusiastic about is Tasteless.
3. She has already proved to be highly Observant, Catching small details and paying attention to everything that goes on.
You're amazed by this when it's basically the only responsibility she has other than parroting the calls of Artosis/Tasteless?
4. She has Improved with every set so far and i think its safe to assume that she listens to feedback. Some issues are easy to solve (talking slower) other things require more time and training (learning how to pronounce certain words/letters better) but im pretty sure that this girl will be a top-notch caster in a couple of months if we just give her time to improve and adapt to her new life in Korea.
Her accent is still as unintelligible as day 1 and that is the reason people don't like her.
i mean, how often do you get the chance to hear a cute girl from singapore commentate a game that you love? just think about that for a minute or two ^_^
Posts like this further emphasis that you are blinded solely by the fact that she has a pair of tits and you're giving her an easier time because of it.
If we had a male caster who spoke with as thick of an accent, you would not be crusading to defend him right now.
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Ban him all you like , but he's totally right. It's exactly like liking pop music. The music is horrible ,but the girls are hot so u still listen to it.
But why are you bringing this to her fanclub? There are many threads where you can voice your disapproval. Leave this one alone.
Sorry dude, it's the cold truth. You all wouldn't be so protective if she was male.
She's doing okay as a caster, she's just held to really high standards because artosis/tasteless have been so good.
To be honest, my heart gets a sinking feeling whenever I open GOMPlayer and find out she is casting. It's not because she's bad though, it's because I've really grown fond of tastosis.
I have a suspicion that her passion is not in starcraft, but rather in being buddy-buddy with the people around her. Does anyone else notice this?
On March 03 2011 22:00 W2 wrote: She's doing okay as a caster, she's just held to really high standards because artosis/tasteless have been so good.
To be honest, my heart gets a sinking feeling whenever I open GOMPlayer and find out she is casting. It's not because she's bad though, it's because I've really grown fond of tastosis.
I have a suspicion that her passion is not in starcraft, but rather in being buddy-buddy with the people around her. Does anyone else notice this?
No, her knowledge and passion for sc2 seems pretty apparent to me. Whether she is also trying to be friendly with her new co-workers is beside the point in my opinion.
Sign me up - she's been doing a pretty good job and definitely deserves some support considering all the crap people are giving her. I wouldn't mind seeing her stick around next season, too, though I guess a lot depends on whether they keep her with part of the archon or get another caster to pair up with her.
Sign me up - it's easy to get caught up in her excitement. She's got a pretty strong attention to detail - honestly Tastsosis weren't (wasn't? Is tastosis a singular or collective noun?) this attentive to detail in their first games at the GSL!
I'm wondering what GOM has planned for next season - would love to see Kelly + someone else be static code A casters - get a chance to build some synergy of their own and get away from the Tastosis hype. I actually was really surprised when they apparently only had 1 new caster instead of a new pair for this season.
I get the feeling many still don't know that the first language of Singaporeans is English. It's not that hard for us to be speaking English. The problem comes because on this part of the world we also speak other languages and so our accents are very different from that of the West.
On March 03 2011 10:18 dark fury wrote: Most people probably dont realize this, but for being born and raised in singapore, her english is really really good. I have traveled a lot through asia i can say that during my stays there, i never met anyone who had nearly as good pronounciation as her and noone came close to the volume of her english vocabulary (wich is REALLY impressive).
I dont think people realize how HARD it is for a person from her part of the world to learn to speak and understand english. As you might know, asian languages are fundamentally different from ours on the most basic level of speech; how you articulate speech. If you where to learn chinese or any other east-asian language you would pretty quickly understand the technical difficulities, because your vocal cords are not trained to the movements that those languages are built around, and it works the other way around. Listen to John for example, who is a very talented and hard working indivudual, but even he has a very hard time pronouncing certain words and phrases. I think its remarkable that kelly can speak and pronounce english so well and at such a fast pace (hehe) because most singaproreans could never come close to her level even if they trained for 25 years. SO WHAT if her pronounciation of some units/abilities is not perfect. She might say "Borrow" and "Steem" but its not like you dont understand that she is refering to Burrow/Stim. You get the message, so why be bothered?
I don't really like what you've said here though. As a true-bred Singaporean I believe our command of English is way better than that. I quite refuse to accept the perception that Singapore has a bad command of English. To me, most of us are as good as everyone else in English speaking countries. The only difference we actually have is the accent.
I like her. Her first commentating wasn't good, but it's definitely getting better - fast. And I had no problem listening to her in the last broadcasts.
KellyMilkies! Her id is so cute! Her accent is ok, come on, what is this? Discrimination against Asian accent? (note: my accent aint like that though im Asian, not all Asian speaks like that!). Kelly fighting! You are gonna be one super caster real soon!!!!!
On March 04 2011 01:07 Black[CAT] wrote: KellyMilkies! Her id is so cute! Her accent is ok, come on, what is this? Discrimination against Asian accent? (note: my accent aint like that though im Asian, not all Asian speaks like that!). Kelly fighting! You are gonna be one super caster real soon!!!!!
If you think Kelly Milkies the ID is cute your going to love her tumblr account, FuckSlit. I'm starting to wonder if people know what milkies means..-.-
On March 04 2011 01:07 Black[CAT] wrote: KellyMilkies! Her id is so cute! Her accent is ok, come on, what is this? Discrimination against Asian accent? (note: my accent aint like that though im Asian, not all Asian speaks like that!). Kelly fighting! You are gonna be one super caster real soon!!!!!
If you think Kelly Milkies the ID is cute your going to love her tumblr account, FuckSlit. I'm starting to wonder if people know what milkies means..-.-
I dont know explain me please..
Please add me as a fan. I really like her work on gomtv :-)
After watching her in many casts, I gotta say, she passes.
Her accent is horrible but GomTV is clearly being used to push and explain Korean culture more and more, so it isn't surprising that they would accept someone like that. I think the worst one was "Oh, boy, FoxMoon is getting the liru. Liru. Leeeeerrr leer lairu? lairu??"
But she does actually seem to know the game fairly well, and I guess that's more important.
I think the gender and ethnic diversity she brings to the scene is a huge bonus to her knowledge and game sense in her commentating. She's a good caster. Ya she's got an accent. And ya, she's a woman. But I think the fact she's a woman is the more important reason so many people spring up to flame her. As much as the haters will deny it, I'm quite convinced that most Kelly bashers are genuinely uncomfortable with women in general..are lacking in the amount of companionships and or relationships they have with women. And this discomfort gets intensified when a woman "invades" the comfort zone so many guys feel knowing they're a member of the (ALMOST) exclusively male sector of cyberspace revolving around starcraft. Unfortunately for them, we're no longer in elementary school, and the Starcraft scene isn't a boys only club. If people were to acknowledge and accept those last 2 notions, I think Kelly haters would be almost non-existent. That's my 2 cents anyway.
On March 04 2011 01:43 MacNaughty wrote: I think the gender and ethnic diversity she brings to the scene is a huge bonus to her knowledge and game sense in her commentating. She's a good caster. Ya she's got an accent. And ya, she's a woman. But I think the fact she's a woman is the more important reason so many people spring up to flame her. As much as the haters will deny it, I'm quite convinced that most Kelly bashers are genuinely uncomfortable with women in general..are lacking in the amount of companionships and or relationships they have with women. And this discomfort gets intensified when a woman "invades" the comfort zone so many guys feel knowing they're a member of the (ALMOST) exclusively male sector of cyberspace revolving around starcraft. Unfortunately for them, we're no longer in elementary school, and the Starcraft scene isn't a boys only club. If people were to acknowledge and accept those last 2 notions, I think Kelly haters would be almost non-existent. That's my 2 cents anyway.
This makes no sense. Your literally just guessing and making excuses for why people bash her. Everyone who has a brain could care less that shes a woman. Think people are uncomfortable with women? What? Making things up doesn't solve a thing so save it. And tell me how her gender and ethnic diversity adds to her knowledge? Your saying that people know more based on where they live? This is up there on the dumbest things written on TL.
On March 04 2011 01:07 Black[CAT] wrote: KellyMilkies! Her id is so cute! Her accent is ok, come on, what is this? Discrimination against Asian accent? (note: my accent aint like that though im Asian, not all Asian speaks like that!). Kelly fighting! You are gonna be one super caster real soon!!!!!
If you think Kelly Milkies the ID is cute your going to love her tumblr account, FuckSlit. I'm starting to wonder if people know what milkies means..-.-
I dont know explain me please..
Please add me as a fan. I really like her work on gomtv :-)
Milkies is slang for tits. Fuckslit is slang for vagina.
<3 "dominatrix effect"s she has on guys she interviewed... can't wait to see her interview a bunch of "suave confident players" at once...
The stylish great top op picture should convince anyone of her resolve in what she does. (Everyone should be allowed to acknowledge that the British accents are the sexiest anyway..) She's probably already tailored herself to eu speaking members' standards for sure, and done it in a heartbeat.
Starcraft 2 scene has more women then you'd think, and the ones affiliated to tl are passionate.. we're so lucky...
Is it just me or did Tasteless and Artosis secretly rip on KellyMilkies in the 2nd game of Clide vs July. He said "boo frame hewwion" around 4:35 to those with a subscription. Then they both chuckled.
They do it again at 7:50!!! And artosis says don't make fun of me. WTFFF
On March 04 2011 02:55 Aberu wrote: Is it just me or did Tasteless and Artosis secretly rip on KellyMilkies in the 2nd game of Clide vs July. He said "boo frame hewwion" around 4:35 to those with a subscription. Then they both chuckled.
They do it again at 7:50!!! And artosis says don't make fun of me. WTFFF
No, I just watched it over and Tasteless asks Artosis, 'why do we sometimes call it "boo fame hellion?" and Artosis responds with "I don't because it's scary" and then the two giggle. At 7:50 Tasteless is poking fun at Artosis for saying it that way. It has nothing to do with Kelly. It's just Tasteless and Artosis messing around. As two why they mispronounce it sometimes. It's simple. You just talk a lot that your words start blending sometimes. Also, if you hang around people who have accents, you can start to pick them up. At least, I do.
Let's remember not to be oversensitive and just be rational.
On another note, I saw this picture on Kelly's facebook and I thought it was a nice picture and it's nice to see her outside of GOM with people who we recognize. It groups her in with them.
On March 04 2011 02:55 Aberu wrote: Is it just me or did Tasteless and Artosis secretly rip on KellyMilkies in the 2nd game of Clide vs July. He said "boo frame hewwion" around 4:35 to those with a subscription. Then they both chuckled.
They do it again at 7:50!!! And artosis says don't make fun of me. WTFFF
No, I just watched it over and Tasteless asks Artosis, 'why do we sometimes call it "boo fame hellion?" and Artosis responds with "I don't because it's scary" and then the two giggle. At 7:50 Tasteless is poking fun at Artosis for saying it that way. It has nothing to do with Kelly. It's just Tasteless and Artosis messing around. As two why they mispronounce it sometimes. It's simple. You just talk a lot that your words start blending sometimes. Also, if you hang around people who have accents, you can start to pick them up. At least, I do.
Let's remember not to be oversensitive and just be rational.
On another note, I saw this picture on Kelly's facebook and I thought it was a nice picture and it's nice to see her outside of GOM with people who we recognize. It groups her in with them.
I wasn't being oversensitive lol. I think her accent is hilarious. I think that she has a lot to offer with casting for the purposes of bringing in new viewers from the SEA area and from other games, and I do believe that is what she is there for. Not for her voice or her knowledge of the game. Those are not her strengths by any means. Every caster has a different strength, and a different weakness. Tasteless has very low understanding of SC2 honestly, but he is highly entertaining and so rooted with the community, you just can't get rid of him. Artosis is biased and makes goofy calls, but his understanding of the game is astoundingly high. He can see that someone did a specific build order sometimes 5 minutes before the plan is obvious.
But generally, people should focus on the lows less, what makes the caster good. What makes her good is she can probably get the DotA and CS community from SEA into SC2. That is a good thing, more esports viewers.
I finally got around to renewing my season pass for GOMtv and was surprised at how well she did on her first day of Code A (the day with Huk, Losira, etc). She pointed out the obvious a few times, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for the growth of the scene. Beyond that, she had a good understanding of "if X then Y or Z" as well as informed knowledge of the playing styles of most of the competitors. As for her accent, it was generally understandable and I'm sure her pronunciation will only get better as she grows more comfortable in her role.
On March 04 2011 02:55 Aberu wrote: Is it just me or did Tasteless and Artosis secretly rip on KellyMilkies in the 2nd game of Clide vs July. He said "boo frame hewwion" around 4:35 to those with a subscription. Then they both chuckled.
They do it again at 7:50!!! And artosis says don't make fun of me. WTFFF
No, I just watched it over and Tasteless asks Artosis, 'why do we sometimes call it "boo fame hellion?" and Artosis responds with "I don't because it's scary" and then the two giggle. At 7:50 Tasteless is poking fun at Artosis for saying it that way. It has nothing to do with Kelly. It's just Tasteless and Artosis messing around. As two why they mispronounce it sometimes. It's simple. You just talk a lot that your words start blending sometimes. Also, if you hang around people who have accents, you can start to pick them up. At least, I do.
Let's remember not to be oversensitive and just be rational.
On another note, I saw this picture on Kelly's facebook and I thought it was a nice picture and it's nice to see her outside of GOM with people who we recognize. It groups her in with them.
I wasn't being oversensitive lol. I think her accent is hilarious. I think that she has a lot to offer with casting for the purposes of bringing in new viewers from the SEA area and from other games, and I do believe that is what she is there for. Not for her voice or her knowledge of the game. Those are not her strengths by any means. Every caster has a different strength, and a different weakness. Tasteless has very low understanding of SC2 honestly, but he is highly entertaining and so rooted with the community, you just can't get rid of him. Artosis is biased and makes goofy calls, but his understanding of the game is astoundingly high. He can see that someone did a specific build order sometimes 5 minutes before the plan is obvious.
But generally, people should focus on the lows less, what makes the caster good. What makes her good is she can probably get the DotA and CS community from SEA into SC2. That is a good thing, more esports viewers.
Do you really think SEA people are going to pay for and spend hours of watching starcraft just becuse one of the code A casters are from taiwan, "hey you guys this changes everything lets watch some god damn starcraft" i think not. Please take notice that people dont automatically like her becuse they are from the same region, for instance she has had very much negative feedback casting dota in the SEA area.
You also say that people from other games are becuse to switch over becuse of her and do you really think its a good thing that she has zero knowledge of the game (as you said yourself) for people trying to get into it? And please take notice you SEA people are a minority, most people are watching the english stream from Europe or America and in this situation you have to cater the majority. Lots of europeans and americans are saying that they are not buying the premium serive becuse the dont like/understand her. This also creates a problem when intorducing new people to starcraft, as liquid´tyler himself said "I would not show new people something casted by this girl" or sometihng similar on a SOTG some weeks ago
And to some above posters... what the hell is wrong with you? why are we so lucky about "having lots of females in the community" gender shouldnt matter, but maby you are just that sexist thinking girls are only good for looking at.
This is not the thread but quickly some about my personal opinion about kelly: i think she is a bit below average on a scale, nothing more and nothing less. But this is the biggest starcraft 2 tournament in the world and i think it deserve the best casters
The biggest problem with a lot of people is that they do not know how hard commentating is. For one, you have to constantly say something off the top of your head, have a clear voice, and analyze what is going on at the same time. Sadly, the gaming community does not have many people to begin with, fewer people who know the basics of the game, and even fewer who can commentate. Look at a lot of the featured streams for poor commentary.
On March 04 2011 05:20 Shiragaku wrote: The biggest problem with a lot of people is that they do not know how hard commentating is. For one, you have to constantly say something off the top of your head, have a clear voice, and analyze what is going on at the same time. Sadly, the gaming community does not have many people to begin with, fewer people who know the basics of the game, and even fewer who can commentate. Look at a lot of the featured streams for poor commentary.
Agreed, it's not like there is some secret stash of Day[9]'s somewhere that all applied to and were rejected from GOM's casting interview process.
On March 04 2011 05:20 Shiragaku wrote: The biggest problem with a lot of people is that they do not know how hard commentating is. For one, you have to constantly say something off the top of your head, have a clear voice, and analyze what is going on at the same time. Sadly, the gaming community does not have many people to begin with, fewer people who know the basics of the game, and even fewer who can commentate. Look at a lot of the featured streams for poor commentary.
Worst argument i have ever heard. Yes casting is hard so what? this is a full time paid job and pretty much your whole career for this period of time and we should expect nothing less than the best.
@Strauss LAMO funny xD
On March 04 2011 05:29 timestep wrote: irreplaceable
On March 04 2011 01:43 MacNaughty wrote: I think the gender and ethnic diversity she brings to the scene is a huge bonus to her knowledge and game sense in her commentating. She's a good caster. Ya she's got an accent. And ya, she's a woman. But I think the fact she's a woman is the more important reason so many people spring up to flame her. As much as the haters will deny it, I'm quite convinced that most Kelly bashers are genuinely uncomfortable with women in general..are lacking in the amount of companionships and or relationships they have with women. And this discomfort gets intensified when a woman "invades" the comfort zone so many guys feel knowing they're a member of the (ALMOST) exclusively male sector of cyberspace revolving around starcraft. Unfortunately for them, we're no longer in elementary school, and the Starcraft scene isn't a boys only club. If people were to acknowledge and accept those last 2 notions, I think Kelly haters would be almost non-existent. That's my 2 cents anyway.
Cleverly hidden troll post. Let me decipher:
"Whoever bashes Kelly must be gay/bad with girls!! Now there is no way you can win argument against me!!"
BTW: I'm not picking sides, I'm just picking on you because you made a dumb post.
On March 04 2011 05:20 Shiragaku wrote: The biggest problem with a lot of people is that they do not know how hard commentating is. For one, you have to constantly say something off the top of your head, have a clear voice, and analyze what is going on at the same time. Sadly, the gaming community does not have many people to begin with, fewer people who know the basics of the game, and even fewer who can commentate. Look at a lot of the featured streams for poor commentary.
Worst argument i have ever heard. Yes casting is hard so what? this is a full time paid job and pretty much your whole career for this period of time and we should expect nothing less than the best.
@Strauss LAMO funny xD
And GOM picked her over several more capable commentators? There are a lot of people who know the game very well but who wants to hear a nerd talk? We have Day9 but he is cute, funny, and appealing to everyone. We have Tasteless who is handsome, has pretty decent game knowledge, and has a cool voice. Then we have Artosis who can work with Tasteless very well in terms of chemistry and can provide in depth knowledge of the game and make you think.
GOM is planning to make StarCraft II mainstream. Here is a list often seen on TV. Aesthetics - Check StarCraft Player - Check Good voice - Check If not, incredibly funny, Check Able to constantly talk - Check Does not sound like a nerd - Check Can have a side conversation - Check Can make a joke without using a meme - Check
Not a lot of people can get past all of these steps.
Lolz. Obviously on a site like tl.net there are a whole bunch of nerds that think every asian girl is cute and will defend them no matter how unqualified they are for the job.
If I was a mod I would just straight up ban all of you idiots that go into a fan club and talk shit about the star of the fan club. Or even come in here and argue about the stuff. What the hell? Seriously, what the hell are you thinking.
I'm not her biggest fan, but I almost feel obliged to defend her because she gets so much hate. She's trying her best and she's clearing putting in the time to research the players and to play the game. That says a lot to me.
My one real concern with her is that she consistently harks on Zergs needing to be one base up. While this is true for the most part, there are plenty of scenarios that allow for a Zerg to stay even on bases (all-ins).
I hope she continues to put forth her best effort and ignores the baseless hate people give her.
At first I couldn't really understand her when she got excited, but seems like she's worked on it. She shows a much better understanding of the game than so many other casters, and my favourite thing is she seems to be working at it.
I've noticed she always seems to have done her homework on the players and maps before the match. It's great. I can't say for sure whether she's working hard at it, but with the result I would be very surprised if she didn't. She's been involved with computer games and the gaming community for a while which is cool, they didn't just pull an airhead from a modelling agency or something.
It is also good that she's a girl. I want starcraft 2 to get bigger and reach a broader audience. And girl or not she's still a brilliant caster, I hope she stays with GOM for a long time.
Haters gonna hate. The fact of the matter is, casters are the face (sometimes literally) of the esports movement, and it's good to have a certain amount of diversity in which of our two left feet we put in the cookie jar's gift horse mouth.
In this sense, I believe that having a good female caster like Kelly is integral to the growth of sc2. It doesn't hurt that she's an excellent caster.
Sign me up as someone who thinks she's a decent caster who's improving, and I enjoy watching the GSl with her casting. A lot of the criticism she's recieved was disgusting, which is a pity because there was some legitimate and constructive stuff being put out there too.
Have to agree though that the OP for this is kind of embarrassing and hopefully we can move past it.
Sign me up, I joined TL just to say that, also do us a favor, this is a fan thread so ban or warn people for saying negative things on this forum, they can bash else where, not here IMO.
Girls in gaming get a lot of shit from guys chances are most of you are those kind of guys, having been married to a gamer, and dating gamer girls, I KNOW how much shit they get from the male gaming community. Please take your hate to another forum leave it out of this thread.
Gert Heart - Probably returning to being a pro gamer =/
Erm, will people accuse me of being unsalvagably girly if I bring up the topic of hair?
A while back km twittered that the gom stylist people were trying to Koreanize her hair. I'm wondering now if that would have been the evening she casted with Artosis and denied the 5? If so, what do you think? Although I'm culturally biased as the same style is popular here (Japan), I think the so-called "Korean" look really works for her. It was a little like when Tastosis suddenly went with the jackets and boom became all sober and professional. Somewhat. Ok not really but they looked dapperer.
On March 04 2011 06:45 travis wrote: If I was a mod I would just straight up ban all of you idiots that go into a fan club and talk shit about the star of the fan club. Or even come in here and argue about the stuff. What the hell? Seriously, what the hell are you thinking.
This. I don't know why so many of these A-holes are getting away with it. I don't particularly like MKP but I would never go and hate on him in his fan club thread and I would fully expect to get a ban if I did.
If you don't like a person, don't go into a fan club thread and start shit. Hell, don't even open the thread. Apart from trolling, why would you even want to?
edit- I just realised some of them were banned there was just no red writing. Happy now.
Sign me uppppp. I think she's already in the second tier of casters (with only Tasteless, Artosis, and Day9 in the first tier) and improving pretty rapidly. She definitely adds to the casts, which a very, very good majority of casters don't do at all.
GL in the future, I hope the haters don't get you kicked out and replaced with someone terrible!
Go kelly, give artosis what he rightly deserves! That jerk, chasing IdrA all the way back to America with his rude denial of hi-5s. I HOPE you feel awful!
If all the people that don't like Kelly's work would just stop posting in her fanclub... that would be the best. Creating all this controversy will only create more publicity, which will attract a lot of attention to the point where a snowball effect will start sucking people into supporting Kelly.
On March 04 2011 11:49 Bubble-T wrote: Have to agree though that the OP for this is kind of embarrassing and hopefully we can move past it.
Why? i have recieved lots of pms/posts saying it was very proffesionaly written so im curious to know what you dont like about it. I am very grateful for any constructive critism but just stating "OP is embarrasing" is unconstructive and mildly offensive.
In my opinion, the more text the better and what could possibly be more relevant than a long text explaining why i like her in a thread that is devoted to, uh, liking her? just because it doesnt look excactly like all the other fan club threads, its embarrasing? *confused* (about the singapore-dont-speak-english-part, that was a big mistake from my side but i have actually stayed at the singaporean airport for a couple of hours when i was traveling through, and judging by the level of english spoken by service personel there i could never have guessed that english was one of their native languages (it wasnt bad, but their accent was very very thick. but ofc i have removed that part from the OP)
On March 04 2011 11:49 Bubble-T wrote: Have to agree though that the OP for this is kind of embarrassing and hopefully we can move past it.
Why? i have recieved lots of pms/posts saying it was very proffesionaly written so im curious to know what you dont like about it. I am very grateful for any constructive critism but just stating "OP is embarrasing" is unconstructive and mildly offensive.
In my opinion, the more text the better and what could possibly be more relevant than a long text explaining why i like her in a thread that is devoted to, uh, liking her? just because it doesnt look excactly like all the other fan club threads, its embarrasing? *confused* (about the singapore-dont-speak-english-part, that was a big mistake from my side but i have actually stayed at the singaporean airport for a couple of hours when i was traveling through, and judging by the level of english spoken by service personel there i could never have guessed that english was one of their native languages (it wasnt bad, but their accent was very very thick. but ofc i have removed that part from the OP)
fan-list updated.
Thanks for the PM, I've replied. You took out the worst part already so yeah..
i like her and all but ... its so hard to understand her i would love if she speaks a little bit slower sometimes then she would be the best addition to artosis/tasteless just a LITTLE bit slower
sometimes i feel bad when she makes jokes everyone is laughing and i am "huh what did she say?" xD gogo kelly
I like her casting and I have a lot of respect for her calls cause I'm pretty sure she's a much better player than me. Please sign me up. She got so much respect from me when she used the Deny Highfive ability on Artosis.
She somehow makes a better casting pair with Artosis than Tasteless. Anyway she is absolutely fine as a caster. Her accen't isnt your standard flawless one but certainly and most certainly understandable and she definitely adds a different color to the Code A casting team.
Blizzard have announced they have a new patch of the official KellyMILKIES caster card up on PTR, and expect to roll it out to the servers shortly. No patch notes available yet but it seems they will incorporate some balance changes, possibly making the card a little more expensive, and change the aesthetics to keep the card in line with other similar cards. No word yet on clan support.
sign me up. Although I hated her casting at first, in part because of her thick accent, and (to be honest) mainly because she split up my beloved casting archon, she has really, really, really improved!
On March 05 2011 00:07 Alabasern wrote: Nice art Wakkawa, Kelly would approve of it I'm sure.
she has posted it on her facebook page
On March 05 2011 00:10 gryffindor wrote: sign me up. Although I hated her casting at first, in part because of her thick accent, and (to be honest) mainly because she split up my beloved casting archon, she has really, really, really improved!
She's alright. Her accent is perfectly intelligible (way better than some of my professors....) and she's cute as hell. I just wish she would play more SC because as of now, I def know more about the game than her. Still, better than most other casters.
I'll be honest and wasn't expecting much from her when I heard she got the job and I watched her VODs. But her combination with Tasteless and specially Artosis really changed my mind.
i like her casting, i dont mind her accent at all. mostly americans seem to be fixed with her accent, maybe they are angry she cant speak as fluent as them, but since english is my second lang., i dont mind bad accent, i dont see it as a reason to "mute" stream, actually not watching stream just because of her accent sounds really lame to me
"If all the people that don't like Kelly's work would just stop posting in her fanclub... that would be the best. Creating all this controversy will only create more publicity, which will attract a lot of attention to the point where a snowball effect will start sucking people into supporting Kelly."
i suppose that'd be a good thing ... no?
<3 The re op-ing, the showcasing is now as classy as the content was/deserved from the start
kelly fightinggggg (has anyone found/ref esquire day9 saying that yet?)
1- I like Kelly's work , count me in , I think she's an average caster for now but I'm 100% sure she will improve very quickly and become one of the best casters out there , and I really don't understand why people can't understand her accent :S
2-
On March 05 2011 05:12 jjmmtt wrote: So... if I want to get banned, I just post in this thread right?
Sign me up! Intelligent casters ftw' Edit: Ofcourse not as intelligent as Artosis but alot more intelligent than most of the weekly tournament casters who have no knowledge about the game whatsoever
I really hope she improves on her casting. It's very annoying when she does not yet have a very deep understanding of this game but still often challenges the decisions of progamers. This has been happening a bit less recently though, so that's good.
I think she should stick to play-by-play casting and leave the analysis to tastosis.
On March 05 2011 07:39 1a2a3a4aterran wrote: Signing up for hate kelly as caster, just ban me ffs, what a joke, with bunch of fan bois,.. rly made me sick, and LOL
I think she's doing a lot better, I think she'll really shine once she gets more comfortable starts showing her true personality. She's definitely playing it safe right now and most of her banter is just playing along with Tastosis' jokes.
So I'm signed up and I'm really feeling how she is trying and is improving especially with her accent. Allthough I really feel that she was quiet too quite today. I really hope that she does not listen to all the criticism she is getting, because she is improving and I really think that she will go on with that. I personally have the feel, that she is trying to prepare for the matches/matchups and even maps. Just talk alot with Tastosis to get rid of the accent alot of people are complaining about and everything will be fine. Even Tastosis needed a little bit of time to get used to casting the GSL and now everyone loves them, especially me. So keep on going! <3 <3 <3
Ok, in the venerable tradition of Carrying Things Too Far, I present the MTG: GOMTV Edn. Patch 1.1. Mostly balance fixes.
One land, two creatures and a spell, what more could you possibly want. (And don't say red and black lands. That would make too much sense. And if there is one thing we here at Blizzard Balance HQ are not about, it is making too much sense.)
love kelly <3 Count me In! i know she will get better and better, even now ive always understood her accent, idk why some ppl whine that its ununderstandable.
-Also i think the sc2 community getting female players and commentators is a big win, just goes to show how ppl like Kelly is helping spread the sc2 fever amongst even female community <3
Morning guys and girls. I am sitting in the house drinking some weird Korean drink which tastes surprisingly nice (That's actually what I always do, buy a drink that is written in korean so it's like a surprise drink) #o#;;
Thank you so much for supporting me. I still have hairspray in my hair from last night -o-" Thanks for the magic cards chocopan. I will print them out and stick them to my wall for sure :p
For now, I am probably going to go to the studio right now to watch Code S, and then come back or go to a PC bang to watch IEM. Tonight I will probably wander out alone in Korea again in search of new places to go and new things to do ^-^V Apparantly, (according to Tasteless) Korea is really safe and the streets are covered with cameras which is why I feel safe when I am out at night.
To be honest there isn't actually anyone that I really want to get a photo with for Code S today hahaha. Games are starting now so I probably should get going.
Hope you guys are having fun from wherever you are. ^-^V
Sign me up for Kelly, she is trying really hard and is putting forth a lot of effort in her casting, you can tell. Also she is really cute with all the laughing.
Kelly is great. She's really good at observing, and if you can't understand her Singlish, that's your problem, not hers. I have no problem with pronunciation, ever. Kelly fighting!
Hey Kelly, please pronounce "turret" correctly, the way you were pronouncing it before made me laugh guiltily because you were almost saying "tourette" as in Tourette syndrome. Other than that keep up the good work and keep on improving.
First of all, I know I'm probably going to take a ban for this, but that's fine. Because I believe everybody has a right to speak their mind.
I feel a need, as a Singaporean myself, to address a number of very severe misconceptions about Singapore and Singaporeans in general. But before I do so, I would like to state, unequivocally, that I, in my heart of hearts, feel that Kelly is an embarrassment to Singapore and Singaporeans in general.
First of all, it is certainly untrue that most Singaporeans speak with that accent, or that it is difficult for Singaporeans in general to learn the language and be proficient at it. It may be true for Kelly, but that is only likely to be because she is not very intelligent, and not of a very high level of education. Singaporeans begin to learn english from a very, very young age. This starts at 6, from kindergarten, and ends, at the earliest, at 16. That is a good, solid 10 years of education. I personally assure any of you Europeans and Americans reading this post that Kelly's level of english is not indicative of the general standard displayed by Singaporeans possessed of better social standing and/or education. In fact, it would, in my opinion, be fairly difficult for anyone, after 10 years of formal education in a language, to speak it at that level. An American person, if forced for 10 years to learn mandarin on a daily basis would surely be able to speak it at a higher level than Kelly speaks english. Further to this, all classes in almost all schools in Singapore are conducted in english, as are trials in court, debates in parliament, and generally anything of importance in our country. There is simply no excuse for someone to be as poor as Kelly is at the english language.
Secondly, and this is not a personal attack on Kelly - I have absolutely nothing against ugly people - but I would like to state that I don't know what the hell kind of Asian girls you Europeans and Americans have been looking at so as to induce you to form in your heads the idea that Kelly is aesthetically pleasing. If any of you ever stop by Singapore, I am willing to wager a dozen drinks of your choosing, at any club or establishment of your choosing, that on any given night in any given club in our fair country, Kelly would not get any attention, male, female or otherwise, whatsoever.
Now I am bound to get a large number of negative responses to my post, but I felt a need to defend foreign perceptions of my people and my country. Kelly is a poor example and a terrible representative of Singapore and Singaporeans. I hope that those of you on this forum who come from other parts of the world are at least somewhat enlightened by this brief post. We do not all speak terrible, FOB english. Most of us are highly proficient at it. We are also not country bumpkins. Our women are also not all ugly. Kelly is quite simply anomolous.
p.s. Dear mods, I am assuming most of you come from Europe or the US. Before you ban me, I would like to invite you to consider the following:
From the European Convention on Human Rights
Article 10 – Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
and for American mods, from the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I would like to believe that you all believe and wish to uphold the values that your communities hold so dear, and that you will not therefore arbitrarily impose a ban for my post. That is all.
On March 06 2011 03:12 Tabula`Rasa wrote: First of all, I know I'm probably going to take a ban for this, but that's fine. Because I believe everybody has a right to speak their mind.
I feel a need, as a Singaporean myself, to address a number of very severe misconceptions about Singapore and Singaporeans in general. But before I do so, I would like to state, unequivocally, that I, in my heart of hearts, feel that Kelly is an embarrassment to Singapore and Singaporeans in general.
First of all, it is certainly untrue that most Singaporeans speak with that accent, or that it is difficult for Singaporeans in general to learn the language and be proficient at it. It may be true for Kelly, but that is only likely to be because she is not very intelligent, and not of a very high level of education. Singaporeans begin to learn english from a very, very young age. This starts at 6, from kindergarten, and ends, at the earliest, at 16. That is a good, solid 10 years of education. I personally assure any of you Europeans and Americans reading this post that Kelly's level of english is not indicative of the general standard displayed by Singaporeans possessed of better social standing and/or education. In fact, it would, in my opinion, be fairly difficult for anyone, after 10 years of formal education in a language, to speak it at that level. An American person, if forced for 10 years to learn mandarin on a daily basis would surely be able to speak it at a higher level than Kelly speaks english. Further to this, all classes in almost all schools in Singapore are conducted in english, as are trials in court, debates in parliament, and generally anything of importance in our country. There is simply no excuse for someone to be as poor as Kelly is at the english language.
Secondly, and this is not a personal attack on Kelly - I have absolutely nothing against ugly people - but I would like to state that I don't know what the hell kind of Asian girls you Europeans and Americans have been looking at so as to induce you to form in your heads the idea that Kelly is aesthetically pleasing. If any of you ever stop by Singapore, I am willing to wager a dozen drinks of your choosing, at any club or establishment of your choosing, that on any given night in any given club in our fair country, Kelly would not get any attention, male, female or otherwise, whatsoever.
Now I am bound to get a large number of negative responses to my post, but I felt a need to defend foreign perceptions of my people and my country. Kelly is a poor example and a terrible representative of Singapore and Singaporeans. I hope that those of you on this forum who come from other parts of the world are at least somewhat enlightened by this brief post. We do not all speak terrible, FOB english. Most of us are highly proficient at it. We are also not country bumpkins. Our women are also not all ugly. Kelly is quite simply anomolous.
p.s. Dear mods, I am assuming most of you come from Europe or the US. Before you ban me, I would like to invite you to consider the following:
From the European Convention on Human Rights
Article 10 – Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
and for American mods, from the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I would like to believe that you all believe and wish to uphold the values that your communities hold so dear, and that you will not therefore arbitrarily impose a ban for my post. That is all.
User was warned for this post
So basically you come to someone's fanclub, say they're stupid/uneducated, and say they are ugly in the same breath? I don't know how you're not banned.
On March 06 2011 03:12 Tabula`Rasa wrote: First of all, I know I'm probably going to take a ban for this, but that's fine. Because I believe everybody has a right to speak their mind.
I feel a need, as a Singaporean myself, to address a number of very severe misconceptions about Singapore and Singaporeans in general. But before I do so, I would like to state, unequivocally, that I, in my heart of hearts, feel that Kelly is an embarrassment to Singapore and Singaporeans in general.
First of all, it is certainly untrue that most Singaporeans speak with that accent, or that it is difficult for Singaporeans in general to learn the language and be proficient at it. It may be true for Kelly, but that is only likely to be because she is not very intelligent, and not of a very high level of education. Singaporeans begin to learn english from a very, very young age. This starts at 6, from kindergarten, and ends, at the earliest, at 16. That is a good, solid 10 years of education. I personally assure any of you Europeans and Americans reading this post that Kelly's level of english is not indicative of the general standard displayed by Singaporeans possessed of better social standing and/or education. In fact, it would, in my opinion, be fairly difficult for anyone, after 10 years of formal education in a language, to speak it at that level. An American person, if forced for 10 years to learn mandarin on a daily basis would surely be able to speak it at a higher level than Kelly speaks english. Further to this, all classes in almost all schools in Singapore are conducted in english, as are trials in court, debates in parliament, and generally anything of importance in our country. There is simply no excuse for someone to be as poor as Kelly is at the english language.
Secondly, and this is not a personal attack on Kelly - I have absolutely nothing against ugly people - but I would like to state that I don't know what the hell kind of Asian girls you Europeans and Americans have been looking at so as to induce you to form in your heads the idea that Kelly is aesthetically pleasing. If any of you ever stop by Singapore, I am willing to wager a dozen drinks of your choosing, at any club or establishment of your choosing, that on any given night in any given club in our fair country, Kelly would not get any attention, male, female or otherwise, whatsoever.
Now I am bound to get a large number of negative responses to my post, but I felt a need to defend foreign perceptions of my people and my country. Kelly is a poor example and a terrible representative of Singapore and Singaporeans. I hope that those of you on this forum who come from other parts of the world are at least somewhat enlightened by this brief post. We do not all speak terrible, FOB english. Most of us are highly proficient at it. We are also not country bumpkins. Our women are also not all ugly. Kelly is quite simply anomolous.
p.s. Dear mods, I am assuming most of you come from Europe or the US. Before you ban me, I would like to invite you to consider the following:
From the European Convention on Human Rights
Article 10 – Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
and for American mods, from the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I would like to believe that you all believe and wish to uphold the values that your communities hold so dear, and that you will not therefore arbitrarily impose a ban for my post. That is all.
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Though I agree with you on the first half, I have to state the obvious - this is a fan club thread. As much as it irks me that eye candy gets attention, that's simply how it works in this world and it's probably saying something about your intelligence if you don't know that by now. All the talk she's getting has nothing to do with the fact she's from your country but simply because she's a chick. And once again, this is a fan club thread...
And not to derail this or anything but you really should stay away from law, heh. That stuff you copy pasted does not apply to privately owned establishments. The mods can replace all the posts in this thread with pictures of cocks if they wanted to. They're the ones who are protected because it's their business (or whoever owns the rights to this site). I don't think you said anything worth being banned for, but a donk on the head wouldn't hurt, so here you go -donk-
On March 06 2011 03:12 Tabula`Rasa wrote: First of all, I know I'm probably going to take a ban for this, but that's fine. Because I believe everybody has a right to speak their mind.
I feel a need, as a Singaporean myself, to address a number of very severe misconceptions about Singapore and Singaporeans in general. But before I do so, I would like to state, unequivocally, that I, in my heart of hearts, feel that Kelly is an embarrassment to Singapore and Singaporeans in general.
First of all, it is certainly untrue that most Singaporeans speak with that accent, or that it is difficult for Singaporeans in general to learn the language and be proficient at it. It may be true for Kelly, but that is only likely to be because she is not very intelligent, and not of a very high level of education. Singaporeans begin to learn english from a very, very young age. This starts at 6, from kindergarten, and ends, at the earliest, at 16. That is a good, solid 10 years of education. I personally assure any of you Europeans and Americans reading this post that Kelly's level of english is not indicative of the general standard displayed by Singaporeans possessed of better social standing and/or education. In fact, it would, in my opinion, be fairly difficult for anyone, after 10 years of formal education in a language, to speak it at that level. An American person, if forced for 10 years to learn mandarin on a daily basis would surely be able to speak it at a higher level than Kelly speaks english. Further to this, all classes in almost all schools in Singapore are conducted in english, as are trials in court, debates in parliament, and generally anything of importance in our country. There is simply no excuse for someone to be as poor as Kelly is at the english language.
Secondly, and this is not a personal attack on Kelly - I have absolutely nothing against ugly people - but I would like to state that I don't know what the hell kind of Asian girls you Europeans and Americans have been looking at so as to induce you to form in your heads the idea that Kelly is aesthetically pleasing. If any of you ever stop by Singapore, I am willing to wager a dozen drinks of your choosing, at any club or establishment of your choosing, that on any given night in any given club in our fair country, Kelly would not get any attention, male, female or otherwise, whatsoever.
Now I am bound to get a large number of negative responses to my post, but I felt a need to defend foreign perceptions of my people and my country. Kelly is a poor example and a terrible representative of Singapore and Singaporeans. I hope that those of you on this forum who come from other parts of the world are at least somewhat enlightened by this brief post. We do not all speak terrible, FOB english. Most of us are highly proficient at it. We are also not country bumpkins. Our women are also not all ugly. Kelly is quite simply anomolous.
p.s. Dear mods, I am assuming most of you come from Europe or the US. Before you ban me, I would like to invite you to consider the following:
From the European Convention on Human Rights
Article 10 – Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
and for American mods, from the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I would like to believe that you all believe and wish to uphold the values that your communities hold so dear, and that you will not therefore arbitrarily impose a ban for my post. That is all.
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I think you are lucky to only get a warning. It's OK to say that "most people in the country speaks English well", but it's not OK to point to her and say "therefore she was dumb or poorly educated".
I have never even thought of associating her with your country until you have written this post. I have met tons of highly intelligent Singaporeans before - Kelly is certainly not the first. Please do not think of North Americans as close minded.
Kelly is awesome, by the way. Now keep your elitist point of view to yourself.
On March 06 2011 03:12 Tabula`Rasa wrote: First of all, I know I'm probably going to take a ban for this, but that's fine. Because I believe everybody has a right to speak their mind.
I feel a need, as a Singaporean myself, to address a number of very severe misconceptions about Singapore and Singaporeans in general. But before I do so, I would like to state, unequivocally, that I, in my heart of hearts, feel that Kelly is an embarrassment to Singapore and Singaporeans in general.
First of all, it is certainly untrue that most Singaporeans speak with that accent, or that it is difficult for Singaporeans in general to learn the language and be proficient at it. It may be true for Kelly, but that is only likely to be because she is not very intelligent, and not of a very high level of education. Singaporeans begin to learn english from a very, very young age. This starts at 6, from kindergarten, and ends, at the earliest, at 16. That is a good, solid 10 years of education. I personally assure any of you Europeans and Americans reading this post that Kelly's level of english is not indicative of the general standard displayed by Singaporeans possessed of better social standing and/or education. In fact, it would, in my opinion, be fairly difficult for anyone, after 10 years of formal education in a language, to speak it at that level. An American person, if forced for 10 years to learn mandarin on a daily basis would surely be able to speak it at a higher level than Kelly speaks english. Further to this, all classes in almost all schools in Singapore are conducted in english, as are trials in court, debates in parliament, and generally anything of importance in our country. There is simply no excuse for someone to be as poor as Kelly is at the english language.
Secondly, and this is not a personal attack on Kelly - I have absolutely nothing against ugly people - but I would like to state that I don't know what the hell kind of Asian girls you Europeans and Americans have been looking at so as to induce you to form in your heads the idea that Kelly is aesthetically pleasing. If any of you ever stop by Singapore, I am willing to wager a dozen drinks of your choosing, at any club or establishment of your choosing, that on any given night in any given club in our fair country, Kelly would not get any attention, male, female or otherwise, whatsoever.
Now I am bound to get a large number of negative responses to my post, but I felt a need to defend foreign perceptions of my people and my country. Kelly is a poor example and a terrible representative of Singapore and Singaporeans. I hope that those of you on this forum who come from other parts of the world are at least somewhat enlightened by this brief post. We do not all speak terrible, FOB english. Most of us are highly proficient at it. We are also not country bumpkins. Our women are also not all ugly. Kelly is quite simply anomolous.
p.s. Dear mods, I am assuming most of you come from Europe or the US. Before you ban me, I would like to invite you to consider the following:
From the European Convention on Human Rights
Article 10 – Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
and for American mods, from the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I would like to believe that you all believe and wish to uphold the values that your communities hold so dear, and that you will not therefore arbitrarily impose a ban for my post. That is all.
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this is the most convoluted way to say that you think someone is ugly and stupid. Well probably if you just said that you would be banned.
im at work now but i will update the supporter list as soon as i get a couple of minutes off. I would also like to state that i have a degree in aestetics and i have previously worked in the modelling industry and i find Kelly to be aesteticly pleasing. You cant really debate about taste, some people like natural beauties like kelly, others prefere blonde barbiedolls with breast implants and weeks spent under the surgeon knife to fit the perverted hollywood norm. Not to feed the troll, but i just wanted to get that straight^^
NOTE: I will only add you to the list of supporters if you clearly express a wish for me to do so. So please be clear about your motives when you make a post in this thread!
Hey kelly appeared in the singapore newspaper today. I do not have a scanner to scan the atticle...but basically it is about how people are criticizing her... Any singaporean willing to scan the article?
People like the ones who came to this thread just to say she sucks are the reason why gamers have a bad rep in the U.S. Theres this arrogance out of necessity that they all have because they are losers and can't let themselves admit it. So they try to find any excuse to talk shit on anyone no matter the scenario.
If you guys honestly want e-sports to go anywhere then quit being dicks. No one wants to be labeled with a group of people who are that way so any new comers will just take a look at you and walk away.
On March 06 2011 09:50 Hopelessnoob wrote: Hey kelly appeared in the singapore newspaper today. I do not have a scanner to scan the atticle...but basically it is about how people are criticizing her... Any singaporean willing to scan the article?
On March 06 2011 03:12 Tabula`Rasa wrote: First of all, I know I'm probably going to take a ban for this, but that's fine. Because I believe everybody has a right to speak their mind.
I feel a need, as a Singaporean myself, to address a number of very severe misconceptions about Singapore and Singaporeans in general. But before I do so, I would like to state, unequivocally, that I, in my heart of hearts, feel that Kelly is an embarrassment to Singapore and Singaporeans in general.
First of all, it is certainly untrue that most Singaporeans speak with that accent, or that it is difficult for Singaporeans in general to learn the language and be proficient at it. It may be true for Kelly, but that is only likely to be because she is not very intelligent, and not of a very high level of education. Singaporeans begin to learn english from a very, very young age. This starts at 6, from kindergarten, and ends, at the earliest, at 16. That is a good, solid 10 years of education. I personally assure any of you Europeans and Americans reading this post that Kelly's level of english is not indicative of the general standard displayed by Singaporeans possessed of better social standing and/or education. In fact, it would, in my opinion, be fairly difficult for anyone, after 10 years of formal education in a language, to speak it at that level. An American person, if forced for 10 years to learn mandarin on a daily basis would surely be able to speak it at a higher level than Kelly speaks english. Further to this, all classes in almost all schools in Singapore are conducted in english, as are trials in court, debates in parliament, and generally anything of importance in our country. There is simply no excuse for someone to be as poor as Kelly is at the english language.
Secondly, and this is not a personal attack on Kelly - I have absolutely nothing against ugly people - but I would like to state that I don't know what the hell kind of Asian girls you Europeans and Americans have been looking at so as to induce you to form in your heads the idea that Kelly is aesthetically pleasing. If any of you ever stop by Singapore, I am willing to wager a dozen drinks of your choosing, at any club or establishment of your choosing, that on any given night in any given club in our fair country, Kelly would not get any attention, male, female or otherwise, whatsoever.
Now I am bound to get a large number of negative responses to my post, but I felt a need to defend foreign perceptions of my people and my country. Kelly is a poor example and a terrible representative of Singapore and Singaporeans. I hope that those of you on this forum who come from other parts of the world are at least somewhat enlightened by this brief post. We do not all speak terrible, FOB english. Most of us are highly proficient at it. We are also not country bumpkins. Our women are also not all ugly. Kelly is quite simply anomolous.
p.s. Dear mods, I am assuming most of you come from Europe or the US. Before you ban me, I would like to invite you to consider the following:
From the European Convention on Human Rights
Article 10 – Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
and for American mods, from the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I would like to believe that you all believe and wish to uphold the values that your communities hold so dear, and that you will not therefore arbitrarily impose a ban for my post. That is all.
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User was temp banned for this post.
Keep fighting the good fight my friend! A regular Martin Luther King right here.
On March 06 2011 10:04 Buff345 wrote: People like the ones who came to this thread just to say she sucks are the reason why gamers have a bad rep in the U.S. Theres this arrogance out of necessity that they all have because they are losers and can't let themselves admit it. So they try to find any excuse to talk shit on anyone no matter the scenario.
If you guys honestly want e-sports to go anywhere then quit being dicks. No one wants to be labeled with a group of people who are that way so any new comers will just take a look at you and walk away.
If you guys honestly want e-sports to go anywhere then quit being dicks. No one wants to listen to Kelly. The people that "want" Kelly to cast next season have obviously not listened to other casters and are just trying to be "good" people and support the weak. If she continues to be a caster in code A then the quality of code A will just be entirely less than it could be and that would be a huge blunder on GOMs part. You need casters that grab everyones attention in a good way. Not by starting off having 90% of the community hate you.
Honestly I kind of like Kelly. I'm definitely in the camp of letting her prove herself for a month or so before judgment. Though, is it just me or is it really obvious she's attracted to Tasteless? ^.^
On March 06 2011 10:04 Buff345 wrote: People like the ones who came to this thread just to say she sucks are the reason why gamers have a bad rep in the U.S. Theres this arrogance out of necessity that they all have because they are losers and can't let themselves admit it. So they try to find any excuse to talk shit on anyone no matter the scenario.
If you guys honestly want e-sports to go anywhere then quit being dicks. No one wants to be labeled with a group of people who are that way so any new comers will just take a look at you and walk away.
If you guys honestly want e-sports to go anywhere then quit being dicks. No one wants to listen to Kelly. The people that "want" Kelly to cast next season have obviously not listened to other casters and are just trying to be "good" people and support the weak. If she continues to be a caster in code A then the quality of code A will just be entirely less than it could be and that would be a huge blunder on GOMs part. You need casters that grab everyones attention in a good way. Not by starting off having 90% of the community hate you.
Let the bitching commence!
88KellyHwaiting!
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If gaming ever goes mainstream anywhere but Korea, you're the kind of person that's going to no longer be welcome in the community.
Sign me up please! My gf finally agreed to watch a VOD of the GSL with me after I told her that there was a Singaporean woman casting it! Thanks Kelly!
On March 06 2011 03:12 Tabula`Rasa wrote: First of all, I know I'm probably going to take a ban for this, but that's fine. Because I believe everybody has a right to speak their mind.
I feel a need, as a Singaporean myself, to address a number of very severe misconceptions about Singapore and Singaporeans in general. But before I do so, I would like to state, unequivocally, that I, in my heart of hearts, feel that Kelly is an embarrassment to Singapore and Singaporeans in general.
First of all, it is certainly untrue that most Singaporeans speak with that accent, or that it is difficult for Singaporeans in general to learn the language and be proficient at it. It may be true for Kelly, but that is only likely to be because she is not very intelligent, and not of a very high level of education. Singaporeans begin to learn english from a very, very young age. This starts at 6, from kindergarten, and ends, at the earliest, at 16. That is a good, solid 10 years of education. I personally assure any of you Europeans and Americans reading this post that Kelly's level of english is not indicative of the general standard displayed by Singaporeans possessed of better social standing and/or education. In fact, it would, in my opinion, be fairly difficult for anyone, after 10 years of formal education in a language, to speak it at that level. An American person, if forced for 10 years to learn mandarin on a daily basis would surely be able to speak it at a higher level than Kelly speaks english. Further to this, all classes in almost all schools in Singapore are conducted in english, as are trials in court, debates in parliament, and generally anything of importance in our country. There is simply no excuse for someone to be as poor as Kelly is at the english language.
Secondly, and this is not a personal attack on Kelly - I have absolutely nothing against ugly people - but I would like to state that I don't know what the hell kind of Asian girls you Europeans and Americans have been looking at so as to induce you to form in your heads the idea that Kelly is aesthetically pleasing. If any of you ever stop by Singapore, I am willing to wager a dozen drinks of your choosing, at any club or establishment of your choosing, that on any given night in any given club in our fair country, Kelly would not get any attention, male, female or otherwise, whatsoever.
Now I am bound to get a large number of negative responses to my post, but I felt a need to defend foreign perceptions of my people and my country. Kelly is a poor example and a terrible representative of Singapore and Singaporeans. I hope that those of you on this forum who come from other parts of the world are at least somewhat enlightened by this brief post. We do not all speak terrible, FOB english. Most of us are highly proficient at it. We are also not country bumpkins. Our women are also not all ugly. Kelly is quite simply anomolous.
p.s. Dear mods, I am assuming most of you come from Europe or the US. Before you ban me, I would like to invite you to consider the following:
From the European Convention on Human Rights
Article 10 – Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
and for American mods, from the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I would like to believe that you all believe and wish to uphold the values that your communities hold so dear, and that you will not therefore arbitrarily impose a ban for my post. That is all.
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User was temp banned for this post.
As much as this ban is deserved, I definitely learned a few things from this post. Thanks Tabula Rasa, next time choose a better thread (:
On March 06 2011 09:50 Hopelessnoob wrote: Hey kelly appeared in the singapore newspaper today. I do not have a scanner to scan the atticle...but basically it is about how people are criticizing her... Any singaporean willing to scan the article?
On March 06 2011 09:50 Hopelessnoob wrote: Hey kelly appeared in the singapore newspaper today. I do not have a scanner to scan the atticle...but basically it is about how people are criticizing her... Any singaporean willing to scan the article?
What which newspaper was it? I might have it
It's on Sunday Plus section of Sunday Times. Didn't read it though. Don't see the point in reading such articles
On March 06 2011 12:48 mierin wrote: Honestly I kind of like Kelly. I'm definitely in the camp of letting her prove herself for a month or so before judgment. Though, is it just me or is it really obvious she's attracted to Tasteless? ^.^
On March 06 2011 03:12 Tabula`Rasa wrote:blablabla Article 10 – Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression.
blablablalbal
Only in 'Merica (edit: oops looks like he's not 'Merican after all, that's what I get for assuming nationality by behavior ). Just because you can express yourself freely in public space does not mean you can't get booted out of a club for offending the barkeep and the bouncer.
This is not the street this is privately owned discussion forum which can boot you off for any rules they set and this topic clearly states that there is to be no debate in this fan-club threat.
Now to ontopic: I wasn't really fond of Kelly at the beginning but she improved a lot and I really loved it when she made the "you look like travolta" reference after posting in the SC-Scene look-alikes
On March 06 2011 09:50 Hopelessnoob wrote: Hey kelly appeared in the singapore newspaper today. I do not have a scanner to scan the atticle...but basically it is about how people are criticizing her... Any singaporean willing to scan the article?
you should link, we would scan!
Kelliiiiii fitiiiiiing
I was loafing around in the living room today morning having an internal debate on whether to ladder later. In the end my procrastinating side won over and I decided to relax and read the papers, and promptly choked on my breakfast. KELLY MILKIES? IN MY NATIONAL NEWSPAPER?
My thoughts on reading this: 1) Is that journalist some Starcraft II fan lol... Or even a TL member ._. 2) She is being used as an paradigm case to stir up controversy/debates - in the Singapore community - at the Singaporeans' linguistic fluency of English and the foreign community's apparent disability to understand our accent. 3)Kelliiiiii fitiiiiiing, lol poor girl. I have no idea why she is drawing so much flak. I think it's that she doesn't have that synergy of the casting archon duo (not as natural? smooth?) yet, and that is why people are nitpicking at her.
well that movie was a big f-ing waste of time -o-" 25th hour. That's the only bad Edward Norton movie that was ever made.
I would like to be removed from the fanclub.
Oh come on. I love Edward norton but that show was bad .
Anyway regarding the article thats fine. Its just that may be the reporter could have chose better comments. He chose the worst TL flames so obviously it might look bad. But the article itself is good ^-^V
A Singaporean commentating in one of the world's biggest computer gaming leagues is getting flak for her supposedly incomprehensible pronunciation.
Ms. Kelly Ong, 21, is the only Singaporean working in the GOMTV Global StarCraft II League (GSL), a large tournament-based league held on location in Seoul, SouthKorea. With 64 international gamers and $$158,000 in prize money for every tournament, it is broadcast on GOMtv.net six nights a week. It is now in its 6th season and the International GSL website draws 100,000 viewers daily.
The GSL claims to be the highest paying tournament in e-sports. Its commentators are a mix of nationalities, from Korean to American to Singaporean Ms Ong, who is better known by her handle kellyMILKIES.
Her appointment had itself generated controversey, with numerous gamers protesting over her "thick accent" and saying in various forums that she is "difficult to understand". She has been on the job for more than a week and the criticism, mainly from Western gamers, has continued to pour in. One Singaporean poster even accused her of having a fake Australian accent.
However, other gamers have defended her commentating style.
In an email interview with LifeStyle, Ms Ong said that she received many "horrible, horrible emails" even before her first broadcast. But she is unfazed by the more extreme comments, "It's just the Internet talking."
"I think the spotlight is on me because I have an Asian accent and I am female. That makes me an auto-target in a male-dominated environment."
She points out that she has previously worked with British bosses "who did not have a problem understanding me from day one".
Ms Ong, who was handpicked from hundreds of other commentators, or casters as they are called, is relishing the opportunity to work with the big boys. Signed up for this season, she is currently casting three games a week with a co-commentator. She does not want to disclose her salary.
"GSL is the pinnacle of professional gaming, so to be able to be a commentator here has been phenomenal," she says.
She started gaming competitively in 2005 through the ubiquitous Counter-Strike before moving on to casting. She has also competed in and casted regional tournaments, such as the Colosseum Singapore SC2 LAN.
She completed her secondary school education before dropping out of a private diploma course to work.
Local gamers told LifeStyle that they could not understand the furore over Ms Ong's accent. Game developer Joanna Lee, 31, gave her a seven out of 10.
She says: "Kelly's pretty all right, except for her pronunciation, but I have seen worse. Maybe they are just not used to the Singaporean accent and are being a bit too critical. "Female gamers tend to attract more attention because the arena is male-dominated."
Mog[skynet] from Arizona: I watched that whole replay and I think my ears are bleeding. There are parts where she's not bad, but when she starts trying to explain strategy and/or tlaks fast, I can't really understand her.
zedman1991 from Seattle: I didn't htink it was TOO horrible, but she definitely needs to learn a bit more about the game. Some of it was unintelligible, and some of it wasn't really correct or was missing some important points.
BryanTan123 from Singapore: I have no respect for u Kelly Ong. Your faux Australian accent is fucking irritating. U haf no right commentating in Code A.
An1Ma from the Netherlands: Though she is not speaking English fluently, it is good enough for me and her looks are great as well.
Thowky in Britain: She's not the best caster in the world but she's decent enough and her accent really isn't as strong as people make it out to be, certianly not as strong as a lot of UK and other accents I hear on a daily basis.
On March 06 2011 03:12 Tabula`Rasa wrote: First of all, I know I'm probably going to take a ban for this, but that's fine. Because I believe everybody has a right to speak their mind.
I feel a need, as a Singaporean myself, to address a number of very severe misconceptions about Singapore and Singaporeans in general. But before I do so, I would like to state, unequivocally, that I, in my heart of hearts, feel that Kelly is an embarrassment to Singapore and Singaporeans in general.
First of all, it is certainly untrue that most Singaporeans speak with that accent, or that it is difficult for Singaporeans in general to learn the language and be proficient at it. It may be true for Kelly, but that is only likely to be because she is not very intelligent, and not of a very high level of education. Singaporeans begin to learn english from a very, very young age. This starts at 6, from kindergarten, and ends, at the earliest, at 16. That is a good, solid 10 years of education. I personally assure any of you Europeans and Americans reading this post that Kelly's level of english is not indicative of the general standard displayed by Singaporeans possessed of better social standing and/or education. In fact, it would, in my opinion, be fairly difficult for anyone, after 10 years of formal education in a language, to speak it at that level. An American person, if forced for 10 years to learn mandarin on a daily basis would surely be able to speak it at a higher level than Kelly speaks english. Further to this, all classes in almost all schools in Singapore are conducted in english, as are trials in court, debates in parliament, and generally anything of importance in our country. There is simply no excuse for someone to be as poor as Kelly is at the english language.
Secondly, and this is not a personal attack on Kelly - I have absolutely nothing against ugly people - but I would like to state that I don't know what the hell kind of Asian girls you Europeans and Americans have been looking at so as to induce you to form in your heads the idea that Kelly is aesthetically pleasing. If any of you ever stop by Singapore, I am willing to wager a dozen drinks of your choosing, at any club or establishment of your choosing, that on any given night in any given club in our fair country, Kelly would not get any attention, male, female or otherwise, whatsoever.
Now I am bound to get a large number of negative responses to my post, but I felt a need to defend foreign perceptions of my people and my country. Kelly is a poor example and a terrible representative of Singapore and Singaporeans. I hope that those of you on this forum who come from other parts of the world are at least somewhat enlightened by this brief post. We do not all speak terrible, FOB english. Most of us are highly proficient at it. We are also not country bumpkins. Our women are also not all ugly. Kelly is quite simply anomolous. *snip*
I would like to say, that if most Singaporeans express themselves like you, that is not a place I would like to visit. Kelly is a nice person, whereas you sound like an elitist upperclass idiot. And I don't care if you have an accent that signifies that or not. The only reason you say you are embarrassed about her as an representative of your country is all the flak she recieves. You don't dislike (who you class as) ugly people, but still you don't want people to think that girls in your country are like Kelly because you personally think she is ugly. That shows a great deal of lack of character from you.
I can understand the urge to express that most Singaporeans speak better than her (although I understand her perfectly without any more of my brain processing power having to be allocated to it, and my first language is not English either), but all your other statements, including saying that she is an ugly, unintelligent "country bumpkin" is completely over the top, and very unnecessary. Most people would not have that impression of her at all.
Edit: To rephrase this, what your post comes across as is "only beautiful and perfect-speaking people should show themselves publicly, because otherwise people may think we are a country of stupid ugly people, and that would be a catastrophe, because then we have absolutely no other national values or accomplishments to show them that we deserve respect".
man... I really wish people would stop hating on Kelly.... If you think shes not a good caster, thats fine, every one is entitled to their opinion.... but to completely hate her is just insane.
I really dont see why poeple are making such a big deal over her.
I think Kelly casts just fine... sign me up, Im a fan
Hi guys, please show your support for Kelly by writing in to nicy@sph.com.sg. Tell them what a great thing she's done by promoting the SC2 community. Please don't tarry in writing this article, as overwhelming support will help bring her and gaming to the forefront.
On March 07 2011 11:38 ke_ivan wrote: Hi guys, please show your support for Kelly by writing in to nicy@sph.com.sg. Tell them what a great thing she's done by promoting the SC2 community. Please don't tarry in writing this article, as overwhelming support will help bring her and gaming to the forefront.
I do agree that I like the diversity she adds to the scene, I really think she should analyze some replays though. I hope people can take this as constructive criticism, in Huk's round of 16 game, she said his opponent was speedling all inning because he pulled drones out of gas right after speed was started. I really think she should sit down for a week and really analyze every aspect of standard play, as that last comment she made really made me question how much she knew. Kelly, if you happen to read this, you bring a lot of energy and that's great, but you really need to bring up your knowledge of high level play.
I can understand her accent just fine hence why I can appreciate what she brings as a caster, it is quite refreshing instead of having Tastosis every single game. Guessing those rednecks with their southern drawl don't understand her accent because it is different from their own and hence dislike her regardless of her informative and observant casting.
I can understand her accent just fine hence why I can appreciate what she brings as a caster, it is quite refreshing instead of having Tastosis every single game. Guessing those rednecks with their southern drawl don't understand her accent because it is different from their own and hence dislike her regardless of her informative and observant casting.
I've been known to be one of her biggest naysayers and I would like to address the following:
- I'm not a redneck - I'm not from the South
Last time I checked, this is supposed to be a fan club for her, so can you leave that shit out of it? Thanks.
P.S. The complaints ranged far more than the whole 'accent' spiel.
On March 06 2011 12:48 mierin wrote: Honestly I kind of like Kelly. I'm definitely in the camp of letting her prove herself for a month or so before judgment. Though, is it just me or is it really obvious she's attracted to Tasteless? ^.^
I've worked with Irishmen who's first language is English and Kelly is much, much easier to understand .
Kelly puts in a lot of time and effort to add depth to the casts which she is a part of and I think this is great. Kelly spends a lot of time watching replays of the players of whom she will be casting to get some background knowledge of their playing style and other interesting little points. I think this is great.
Kelly also discusses some points during a game that Artosis or Tasteless would not normally comment on. Kelly puts in a lot of time towards SC2 and the SC community, thanks for the contribution.
I'd like to put in my last 2p about the whole accent thing because I haven't seen anyone say anything in this regard but - it is not a fair comparison to make when you say that you can understand her just fine and/or she claims her previous bosses understood her just fine because her current job is 100% dependent on how she pronounces words; right now there seems to be way more people who don't understand her than there should be (I'm not one of them but I do have to strain to listen). It would be a completely fair criticism to make on someone who becomes a professional tennis player but cannot hit the ball straight or a professional soccer player but cannot kick the ball most of the time. Just because they can do it 1 out of 10 times and make a point here and there does not mean they're good enough to be professional.
I mostly stay away from this whole debate but what irked me is reading her response about how she is mostly ignoring the feedback she's receiving because that tells me she's not going to work on her enunciation. Again to use the previous examples it's like someone getting a professional spot on a team and saying, I don't want to practice. I simply don't understand how this criticism can possibly be invalid in the light of the fact that to be understood is the focal point of her job.
On March 08 2011 08:31 zenyu wrote: If you don't like kellyMilkies and say anything that makes you not a fan, you will most likely get banned from teamliquid.
Actually, if you insult her IN HER OWN FAN CLUB, yeah, you'll get banned. Why the hell not.
I hate trolls. (Who doesn't?) Especially ignorant ones.
I rarely watch Starcraft 2 but when I saw Kelly casting, she kinda reminded me of Susie (both are Asian females?) heh. You guys are lucky because I imagine very few females play the game and she does seem kinda knowledgeable to me. If there are problems, I'm sure she can improve.
I have no clue how people can have difficulty understanding her accent. Who are these people? The world is a very multicultural place these days, and not everybody speaks with the same accent. I guess if you live in a very insular community and don't talk much to people from other cultures then you might need a bit of time to get used to Kelly's accent. But that says a lot more about YOU than it does about her.
I can understand her accent just fine hence why I can appreciate what she brings as a caster, it is quite refreshing instead of having Tastosis every single game. Guessing those rednecks with their southern drawl don't understand her accent because it is different from their own and hence dislike her regardless of her informative and observant casting.
I've been known to be one of her biggest naysayers and I would like to address the following:
- I'm not a redneck - I'm not from the South
Last time I checked, this is supposed to be a fan club for her, so can you leave that shit out of it? Thanks.
P.S. The complaints ranged far more than the whole 'accent' spiel.
To each their own.
Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but how can you be so sure you're not a redneck? The South is a state of mind, I live in Cali and believe you me, we have plenty of 'South' out here. It's sorta like those "you know you're a redneck if" jokes - You know you're a redneck if you show up on an Internet fan club to criticize a Singapore-born caster working in Korea for not sounding American enough. Or maybe a better analogy is the Tea Party in America. I can't prove that they're all racist, but if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, well then....
And btw, if you're one of her biggest naysayers, then wtf are you doing in this thread anyway? Doesn't she have to deal with enough of you people everywhere else in the internet? Maybe you misread the title, but this is a fan club. If you're not a fan then maybe you should GTFO?
ok, /rantover, I actually came to this thread after watching GSL games from last night to remark how much more comfortable Kelly seems than last week. She's really a very insightful caster, and seems to make the correct predictions for these games about 500% as often as Tastosis.
My favorite team though was Kelly/Tasteless. Its a shame we're not going to get to see more of them! I'm still on the fence about Doa, he seems sort of...plain.
Regardless of whether you'll return when GOM's played with code A casters some more or not, thanks a lot for our time together Kelly, it's been fun! Hope to see more of your work whatever happens, but GG up to here
Was great to see you up there, enjoy the rest of your time in Korea! (And wish Artosis gl in the NASL from us!) Although I'm sad you're coming home, looking forward to seeing you do some SEA content again.
I've noticed that the vast majority of good things you read about Kelly refer to her appearance, which have nothing to do with her casting ability. "She's beautiful", "She's cute", "She will be my wife" (taken from GOMtv forums)
This confirms to me that GOM likely picked a female caster for the"lonely nerds" who watch the GSL. If this is the case, than any attractive female caster would have prompted the same response throughout the Starcraft II community. People would have liked the caster because she was a female gamer and would have posted some of the same comments. However, there are many other female casters out there who are not only attractive (which shouldn't be the main reason to hire someone), but also very knowledgeable.
In this case, we would get the best of both worlds. More diversity in the game and great commentary to boot. Right now, I'm surprised how willing people are to accept Kelly based on her looks alone, and are not more critical of her casting ability. Someone made the point that anyone would "look good" next to Tasteless and Artosis, and I feel that this is true. They would make you look good, because they're just so experienced and great at what they do.
I bought a Season pass so that I could hear intelligent game commentary, infused with that some great Starcraft humor. I have to say that I look forward to Code S, but am more apprehensive about Code A. I think Erik is doing a fantastic job and I'm all for his casting. I'm just not sure he can compensate for what I believe is a lack of casting ability from Kelly.
Ok. It's a view. Why post that in this thread though? There are other km threads where you can express that opinion. This is a fanclub ie. for people to share our enthusiasm for a caster whose work we enjoy. If you want to say you enjoy Erik's work, why not kick off a fanclub thread for him. I'm sure he'd be very happy to know you are behind him! Go on, do it!!
The key problem with her is her pronunciation. It's quite frankly annoying to have to raise the volume beyond normal levels just to get every word she speaks. Of course anyone with a decent grasp of english will inevitably understand her message, but, why should one have to 'make an effort' trying to cruise through her speaking when there's better casters with a crystal clear, fluid way of speaking.
It seems that a large part of her defense is based on the fact she's a girl. Is that supposed to mean she is not going to be objectively criticised as anybody else would? Yep, because a big number of teenager users in TL fantasize with the concept of gamer girls.
I've seen several of her casts for the latest code A matches for the GSL and quite frankly, I don't get what is that alleged 'deep knowledge' of the game everybody keeps yapping about. She doesn't say anything deep or revealing whatsoever. Not even close to tasteless+artosis, let alone day9.
I'd be saying the same thing if it were a 'Ken' and not a 'Kelly'. You fanboys should all make a big charity fundraiser to pay her some emergency intensive english lessons so her ''engrish' can be digested.
On March 10 2011 14:23 Suvorov wrote: The key problem with her is her pronunciation. It's quite frankly annoying to have to raise the volume beyond normal levels just to get every word she speaks. Of course anyone with a decent grasp of english will inevitably understand her message, but, why should one have to 'make an effort' trying to cruise through her speaking when there's better casters with a crystal clear, fluid way of speaking.
It seems that a large part of her defense is based on the fact she's a girl. Is that supposed to mean she is not going to be objectively criticised as anybody else would? Yep, because a big number of teenager users in TL fantasize with the concept of gamer girls.
I've seen several of her casts for the latest code A matches for the GSL and quite frankly, I don't get what is that alleged 'deep knowledge' of the game everybody keeps yapping about. She doesn't say anything deep or revealing whatsoever. Not even close to tasteless+artosis, let alone day9.
I'd be saying the same thing if it were a 'Ken' and not a 'Kelly'. You fanboys should all make a big charity fundraiser to pay her some emergency intensive english lessons so her ''engrish' can be digested.
You know it's a fan club right? So now am I supposed to assume (assuming that you're Mexican) that all Mexicans can't read, drunk on tequila, illegal immigrants of the United States, and drug fences for Columbia? Get your facts straight before you try to insult an entire spectrum of people with your little stereotypical tirade.
Actually, there currently are not any other threads to post about Kelly's casting ability. It seems that the threads have either been locked or eliminated.
I agree with Suvorv and I would like to see an honest discussion about her casting ability, instead of fan worship without being critical. I think Erik is a great counter point because he allows us (the viewers) to see what a caster can be, so that we do not just have to accept someone who doe not have much ability casting IMHO.
On March 10 2011 19:52 WorldTraveleR wrote: Actually, there currently are not any other threads to post about Kelly's casting ability. It seems that the threads have either been locked or eliminated.
There are currently at least three, one of which features a post by none other than your good self. Investigate thuswards and engage with relish in the giddy cut n thrust of debate.
I enjoyed her casting Code A. Her strategic knowledge is better than mine. I did not find her difficult to understand. I don't think her voice "improved or got better", that's such a backhanded compliment.
My only comment about her appearance, I'm very impressed with GOM's hair and makeup people, because they've done a fantastic job with Tasteless, lilsusie, Artosis, and kellymilkies.
Either on further SEA or GOM events, hopefully I can catch her casting again.
On March 10 2011 15:13 ke_ivan wrote:You know it's a fan club right? So now am I supposed to assume (assuming that you're Mexican) that all Mexicans can't read, drunk on tequila, illegal immigrants of the United States, and drug fences for Columbia? Get your facts straight before you try to insult an entire spectrum of people with your little stereotypical tirade.
This has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity. I am not insulting an entire spectrum of people, nor am I being stereotypical. I am directly addressing Kelly and her casting, not all Singaporeans, not the nation of Singapore, and most certainly my key points are not based on stereotypes. I think it's actually you who needs to read other people's posts carefully and thus reply accordingly.
The only stereotypical thing that I've mentioned, witnessed and acknowledge, is the way facts go out the window in favour of fanatism, but hey, we're in the fanclub thread so, I can't complain about that.
On March 10 2011 15:13 ke_ivan wrote:You know it's a fan club right? So now am I supposed to assume (assuming that you're Mexican) that all Mexicans can't read, drunk on tequila, illegal immigrants of the United States, and drug fences for Columbia? Get your facts straight before you try to insult an entire spectrum of people with your little stereotypical tirade.
This has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity. I am not insulting an entire spectrum of people, nor am I being stereotypical. I am directly addressing Kelly and her casting, not all Singaporeans, not the nation of Singapore, and most certainly my key points are not based on stereotypes. I think it's actually you who needs to read other people's posts carefully and thus reply accordingly.
The only stereotypical thing that I've mentioned, witnessed and acknowledge, is the way facts go out the window in favour of fanatism, but hey, we're in the fanclub thread so, I can't complain about that.
Tell me do you like justin bieber?
no?
Do you go to his fanclub and post that you think he is an annoying little girl?
Then how do you think it was a good idea to come to this thread and explain why you dont like her?
I am sad to see Kelly go...I liked her. She tried hard, and that's what counts for me. I also found her very comprehensive...so I don't see what everyone complained about so hard. Also, gotta admit, she's a cutie. (Personality and aesthetically..)
On March 10 2011 15:13 ke_ivan wrote:You know it's a fan club right? So now am I supposed to assume (assuming that you're Mexican) that all Mexicans can't read, drunk on tequila, illegal immigrants of the United States, and drug fences for Columbia? Get your facts straight before you try to insult an entire spectrum of people with your little stereotypical tirade.
This has nothing to do with nationality or ethnicity. I am not insulting an entire spectrum of people, nor am I being stereotypical. I am directly addressing Kelly and her casting, not all Singaporeans, not the nation of Singapore, and most certainly my key points are not based on stereotypes. I think it's actually you who needs to read other people's posts carefully and thus reply accordingly.
The only stereotypical thing that I've mentioned, witnessed and acknowledge, is the way facts go out the window in favour of fanatism, but hey, we're in the fanclub thread so, I can't complain about that.
Tell me do you like justin bieber?
no?
Do you go to his fanclub and post that you think he is an annoying little girl?
Then how do you think it was a good idea to come to this thread and explain why you dont like her?
Oh gosh this post made me ROFL.
Everyone posting in this fan club ALERT: He just compared you guys to JUSTIN BEIBER FANS. Congratulations, you are being compared to teenage idolizing fangirls who think a 14 year old kid is a god/their future hubby/talented singer.
I didn't like Kelly from the outright and I didn't believe that she was a good caster but the GSL really made me change my mind.
Although I still don't think that Kelly is a top caster, I can tell that she put a lot of effort to improve. That in itself shows that she has a passion and is interested in doing her best! I think that's a really commendable thing and she should be praised for it.
On March 12 2011 20:12 W2 wrote: Everyone posting in this fan club ALERT: He just compared you guys to JUSTIN BEIBER FANS. Congratulations, you are being compared to teenage idolizing fangirls who think a 14 year old kid is a god/their future hubby/talented singer.
Lot's of laughs ... i'm not a djust in bieber fan...
.. i wouldn't be ashamed of being one though...
The op needs a "domina" picture done of Kelly... "wiping some artosis"
I enjoy her casting. I don't find her hard to understand at all, and so what if she has had some slip ups. It happens to us all. She has improved much in just this one season.
On March 10 2011 04:17 ziggurat wrote: I have no clue how people can have difficulty understanding her accent. Who are these people? The world is a very multicultural place these days, and not everybody speaks with the same accent. I guess if you live in a very insular community and don't talk much to people from other cultures then you might need a bit of time to get used to Kelly's accent. But that says a lot more about YOU than it does about her.
Those people are generally non-native English speakers. It's hard enough to learn a different language, but learning a different language and then learning the incorrect pronunciations of words is incredibly difficult.
When people learn a new language, they generally learn it in the native accent (in this case, a British or American accent).
I don't really understand all the hate. She started off a little rocky because of nerves, but who wouldn't? I don't think anybody can deny that she improved in the time she was there. Plus all this hate over how she speaks english is harsh. It may not be perfect but I am AWFUL at being able to distinguish accents (I've had so many profs that I cant understand) and I haven't had any trouble with Kelly. Everybody flames her as if she can just instantly fix it, but when you've been brought up speaking a language that requires you to make entirely different sounds then you can't just cut that off. English is one of the hardest languages to learn, people should give her a break.
Sign me up! I really enjoy her casting and I think all the bashing and hate towards her was pretty ridiculous. Who cares if she mispronounces a few words here and there, it's not like you can't understand her and her knowledge and observance are superior to a lot of casters.
k: glhf!!!! d: You too <3 k: NOO d: LOLOLOLOL k: yes d: uh oh d: TIME TO GO ALL IN d: B IT BY BIIIIIIIIT k: COME AT ME BRO d: Kely is superier. d: GG : )
fuck the haters! i like her as a caster and she seems like such a fucking cool chick too!! and for some reason i find her really attractive GOGO KELLY YOU'RE AWESOME :D
i love kellys castings. makes me laugh. I think we need a kellyism tribute site though. Not meant to be a knock on you kell just something fun. By far my favorite kellyism is turrets:: kelly :: "OMG ITS CLOAK BANSHEE!!!!! It's a good thing jinro has tourettes to scare them away."
Sign me up too! Don't let the haters get to you, Kelly! You're doing a good job and getting better every day! How often can we see our casters hold off a bit-by-bit allin? LOL!
I was certainly an anti in the beginning but her passion, humor, along with her obvious effort to not only continuously improve her casting but to keep current with everything happening in the SC2 community has won me over. Never thought I'd be saying this but I really do hope we see her back.
Sidenote: I'd be lying if I didn't say the hi-five revenge didn't hep win me over ^^
On March 18 2011 22:18 kellymilkies wrote: You guys are so cool <3 I don't know what I can do in return for you
MOAR CONTENT! Ie. just keep doing what you are doing.
My personal requests: more matches between you and other GSL nobility, hillarious (you don't have to win all the time, we can take it); Goldish level zerg tutorial video (coz I'm a Goldish level zerg).
Re the kellyism thing, I have to admit I started using kellyisms myself just coz it was fun. Go km!!
Im not a hater nor supporter of her. Im just a fan of SC2 and a follower of GSL tournaments. From my own perspective as a non-english speaker, her accent is really annoying and very hard to understand "again, this is not bashing but im speaking my mind, you probably dont understand since most of you guys are very familiar with english"
I dont count her out of being a commentator for GOM but she needs to improve her speaking to reach out to all the listeners those are not english speaker.
I'm a Kelly fan and I support her 100%. She's a really good caster and one heck of a nice person. She's even agreed to be interviewed on my podcast as part of our epic "Girls of StarCraft 2" episode which is slated to come out later this week.
So I want to say a little "thank you" for your recent streaming of your ladder time.
I appreciate it's pretty frustrating for you, or at least you seem pretty frustrated sometimes.
But watching you play and in particular watching you loose has really encouraged me to keep working at ladder despite my shocking results (!). It's amazing how reassuring it is to see someone much better than you still get stressed out over loosing.
So thank you! And don't give up! (BTW, you are lucky to have mglade around cheering you on. He is just too cool for words.)
P.S. Mr StarCrack please post linky goodness to interview once live. We fans are excite.
Kelly, I gotta admit, your previous casts before you got hired by GSL were pretty bad in terms of understanding what you were saying...But now....it's telling, that you worked very hard on your English, and I can understand you 100%(as long as you talk slow)
When I first saw Kelly, it was a quick glance on GOMtv. Next time I saw her, it was a bunch of idiots bashing her about her abilities. The third time I saw her, it was her userstream and I felt that she was definitely understandable and she was hilarious.
Sign me up as a Kelly fan. I don't really care too much about skill levels, but what the caster can bring into it. Kelly can bring a lot in.
I am one of the few who know everything - and I'm really surprised that you have the guts to come on TL and sc2sea and bask in your ill-gotten glory. YOU know what you have done and what you do NOT deserve.
TL can ban me for all I care, because I need to say this. Go ahead, cry and run to whoever you want for help.
Fan Club? If only they knew. /scoff
Sincerely, Aloysius
User was temp banned for this post. Don't martyr and don't post like this in fantopics.
On March 29 2011 17:46 Coruscant wrote: Hello Kelly,
I am one of the few who know everything - and I'm really surprised that you have the guts to come on TL and sc2sea and bask in your ill-gotten glory. YOU know what you have done and what you do NOT deserve.
TL can ban me for all I care, because I need to say this. Go ahead, cry and run to whoever you want for help.
Fan Club? If only they knew. /scoff
Sincerely, Aloysius
Dude, whats that shit about? sounds like a hell of a cyber-bulling for me?? Any mods around?
On March 29 2011 17:46 Coruscant wrote: Hello Kelly,
I am one of the few who know everything - and I'm really surprised that you have the guts to come on TL and sc2sea and bask in your ill-gotten glory. YOU know what you have done and what you do NOT deserve.
TL can ban me for all I care, because I need to say this. Go ahead, cry and run to whoever you want for help.
Fan Club? If only they knew. /scoff
Sincerely, Aloysius
Voicing your Opinion is okay, not liking her is okay. But this is her "Fan club" It is not okay to do this here. Only 22 posts and you're already ready to get banned from TL? How noble of you! Don't trash talk a person in their Fan Club, I'd love to come over to your house and make fun of you.
Poor moonglade. July is good but mg wasn't bringing his A game there for whatever reason. I'm glad his plan is to stick with Korea for a while though. I think you need to be there a while to settle in and actually play your best games. Jinro was a bit of an anomaly in that respect. Everyone else takes a while. Gogogo mglade!!
PS Fantastic interviews the other night km. Very very fun to watch. Esp. the Sen one as I haven't heard much from him before.
Wasnt a huge fan of her casting but after watching her stream a bit and reading some interviews that have popped up ive def changed my mind about her, classy gal. im sure in the future she will be at the top along with tasteless artosis day9 and the other great commentators, add me to the list
On March 29 2011 19:48 kellymilkies wrote: It's ok T.T Don't argue please. Moonglade on GSL now lets cheer for him ♥♥♥♥♥
Kelly, you got class and style! IMO you are a true professional. I am happy to watch you cast any match, any day. SIGN ME UP~ ^^ Also, MoonGlade Fighting!!
On April 30 2011 23:40 FallDownMarigold wrote: What is the Milkies part of her name? Is that her actual last name or is it some kind of gamer handle-type-thing?
On April 30 2011 23:40 FallDownMarigold wrote: What is the Milkies part of her name? Is that her actual last name or is it some kind of gamer handle-type-thing?
thats sort of slang for boobs.
Stop making things up. It is not ROFL. Its a nickname I used since I was 14 years old. I played an MMORPG with friends (Rose Online) who wanted to have similar nicks, so we used IES. Smarties sennies yukies drummies rosies panties nickies etc. Don't be a pervert
On April 30 2011 23:40 FallDownMarigold wrote: What is the Milkies part of her name? Is that her actual last name or is it some kind of gamer handle-type-thing?
thats sort of slang for boobs.
Stop making things up. It is not ROFL. Its a nickname I used since I was 14 years old. I played an MMORPG with friends (Rose Online) who wanted to have similar nicks, so we used IES. Smarties sennies yukies drummies rosies panties nickies etc. Don't be a pervert
On April 30 2011 23:40 FallDownMarigold wrote: What is the Milkies part of her name? Is that her actual last name or is it some kind of gamer handle-type-thing?
thats sort of slang for boobs.
Stop making things up. It is not ROFL. Its a nickname I used since I was 14 years old. I played an MMORPG with friends (Rose Online) who wanted to have similar nicks, so we used IES. Smarties sennies yukies drummies rosies panties nickies etc. Don't be a pervert
On April 30 2011 23:40 FallDownMarigold wrote: What is the Milkies part of her name? Is that her actual last name or is it some kind of gamer handle-type-thing?
thats sort of slang for boobs.
Stop making things up. It is not ROFL. Its a nickname I used since I was 14 years old. I played an MMORPG with friends (Rose Online) who wanted to have similar nicks, so we used IES. Smarties sennies yukies drummies rosies panties nickies etc. Don't be a pervert
This is a little odd isn't it? First, a person knows what their own name means. They chose it. Even if it's capable of bearing multiple meanings, they know why they chose it and what it means to them. Trying to tell someone what their name really means is like trying to tell someone what they really think. Foolish and not a little presumptuous. Second, who cares. Kellyfluffybunnies, KellytheEarthisflat, KellyTrumpforPresident. All good.
(Personally, I'm totally with the bunnies.)
In other news, loving the streaming. Really helping motivate me to keep trying yay <3 <3
On May 03 2011 22:41 chocopan wrote: one thing i love about her stream is how she sometimes works out her post-game aggression by naming the replays obscene things. makes me giggle.
Honestly I'd watch this stream just for the Mandarin version of SC2...the sounds are absolutely amazing, better than English and Korean IMO (which is a bit biased since I can actually understand Chinese, but oh well).
On May 16 2011 20:19 iloveav wrote: ... Guys go korean style, 3 comentators! (tasteless+artosis+kelly), and if someone gets sick, there are still 2 ppl there.
To be honest this does make alot of sense, then again Tastosis can speak the same amount as 3000000 commentators bless them, but it could easily work.
On May 16 2011 20:19 iloveav wrote: ... Guys go korean style, 3 comentators! (tasteless+artosis+kelly), and if someone gets sick, there are still 2 ppl there.
To be honest this does make alot of sense, then again Tastosis can speak the same amount as 3000000 commentators bless them, but it could easily work.
I personally quite like this idea. What I wouldn't look forward to though is the mountain of threadage that will be devoted to how "she only got the job coz she's a girl".
plus, imagine the tension they get... that tension is gooood.. it avoids any complacency from the casters Not that tastossis is, but they might get "better" with K's pro players'
I read some of the ignorant shit people have been writing about Kelly, and i was seriously disappointed with TeamLiquid, but then i thought that maybe many people (like me) don't wan't to encourage asshats by responding, and thus stay quiet. I thought i'd just put it in writing that i'm a fan, i think her stint at the GSL was nice, especially towards the end, (experience people, tastosis has been casting for a very long time) so yeah, i'm a fan!
Kelly is awesome! <3<3 I enjoy listening to her commentary in both English and Mandarin. Plus she is better at the game than 95% of the other casters haha
On September 02 2011 20:32 caruso wrote: Come on guys, keep it nice.
Maybe you shouldn't flat out believe everything you hear. If she were a guy she wouldn't get nearly as much hate...
I am pretty neutral when it comes to kelly, but she would not get as much love neither. I have heard both of those things before, and they are pretty disturbing. Would like to hear Kellys side too.
wow, i listened to toby talk about her on live on three and i though well she just sucked at dota as much as she sucks at sc2...but no...this is a whole other thing, and I really hope whe never gets to work in e-sports ever ever ever again...
i know this is a fanclub and everything, but i think opening a thread only for this would be worse, and this definitly should be disscused, there isnt really much to discuss, but everyone should hear about this "fine lady"
On September 02 2011 20:54 Matkap wrote: wow, i listened to toby talk about her on live on three and i though well she just sucked at dota as much as she sucks at sc2...but no...this is a whole other thing, and I really hope whe never gets to work in e-sports ever ever ever again...
i know this is a fanclub and everything, but i think opening a thread only for this would be worse, and this definitly should be disscused, there isnt really much to discuss, but everyone should hear about this "fine lady"
I know I'll get called a whiteknight or some stupid shit, but this is a Dota thing. No reason to drag this shit all over TL, please. What good would come of a discussion regarding this on TL?
On September 02 2011 20:54 Matkap wrote: wow, i listened to toby talk about her on live on three and i though well she just sucked at dota as much as she sucks at sc2...but no...this is a whole other thing, and I really hope whe never gets to work in e-sports ever ever ever again...
i know this is a fanclub and everything, but i think opening a thread only for this would be worse, and this definitly should be disscused, there isnt really much to discuss, but everyone should hear about this "fine lady"
I know I'll get called a whiteknight or some stupid shit, but this is a Dota thing. No reason to drag this shit all over TL, please. What good would come of a discussion regarding this on TL?
a dota thing?? this is an E-sports thing mate....she is a community member like every other caster (well not exactly but at least she thinks she should be thought of such as). If tomorrow d'apollo and TB were casting and TB suddenly turns his mic off, gets his phone out, and just walks out 10 mins later wouldn you like to know about it? I would at least, cause in two weeks i am seeing them live, and if one of them did the same think as kelly believe me I wouldnt want to try to high five them or chat a bit
On September 02 2011 20:54 Matkap wrote: wow, i listened to toby talk about her on live on three and i though well she just sucked at dota as much as she sucks at sc2...but no...this is a whole other thing, and I really hope whe never gets to work in e-sports ever ever ever again...
i know this is a fanclub and everything, but i think opening a thread only for this would be worse, and this definitly should be disscused, there isnt really much to discuss, but everyone should hear about this "fine lady"
I know I'll get called a whiteknight or some stupid shit, but this is a Dota thing. No reason to drag this shit all over TL, please. What good would come of a discussion regarding this on TL?
Well, you do realize that there is also a DOTA forums on this site? And these posts aren't in SC2 forums, they are in someone's fan club. And the post pertains to that person. I don't get what the problem is...
Also, this is the video that Tobi was referencing. In the first 20-40 seconds, you could see her focusing.
On September 02 2011 20:54 Matkap wrote: wow, i listened to toby talk about her on live on three and i though well she just sucked at dota as much as she sucks at sc2...but no...this is a whole other thing, and I really hope whe never gets to work in e-sports ever ever ever again...
i know this is a fanclub and everything, but i think opening a thread only for this would be worse, and this definitly should be disscused, there isnt really much to discuss, but everyone should hear about this "fine lady"
I know I'll get called a whiteknight or some stupid shit, but this is a Dota thing. No reason to drag this shit all over TL, please. What good would come of a discussion regarding this on TL?
Well, you do realize that there is also a DOTA forums on this site? And these posts aren't in SC2 forums, they are in someone's fan club. And the post pertains to that person. I don't get what the problem is...
Also, this is the video that Tobi was referencing. In the first 20-40 seconds, you could see her focusing.
I'm a retard, sorry >,< but still I'd like it if not everybody went bandwagoning (not saying that has happened yet) because of that one video and what Tobi said. There are more sides to the story no doubt.
The stuff that has come out is disturbing and disgusting. in my eyes this thread is not worthy of being on TL, i myself have been patient with the girl, iv never posted anything bad about her, and nor commented on any of the things shes done in the past. but this draw's the line. Wer trying to be professional and then this girl comes in and does stuff like this. And no, its not because shes a girl, its because of how SHE acts around other human beings.
On September 02 2011 20:54 Matkap wrote: wow, i listened to toby talk about her on live on three and i though well she just sucked at dota as much as she sucks at sc2...but no...this is a whole other thing, and I really hope whe never gets to work in e-sports ever ever ever again...
i know this is a fanclub and everything, but i think opening a thread only for this would be worse, and this definitly should be disscused, there isnt really much to discuss, but everyone should hear about this "fine lady"
I know I'll get called a whiteknight or some stupid shit, but this is a Dota thing. No reason to drag this shit all over TL, please. What good would come of a discussion regarding this on TL?
Well, you do realize that there is also a DOTA forums on this site? And these posts aren't in SC2 forums, they are in someone's fan club. And the post pertains to that person. I don't get what the problem is...
Also, this is the video that Tobi was referencing. In the first 20-40 seconds, you could see her focusing.
On September 02 2011 20:32 caruso wrote: Come on guys, keep it nice.
Maybe you shouldn't flat out believe everything you hear. If she were a guy she wouldn't get nearly as much hate...
I am pretty neutral when it comes to kelly, but she would not get as much love neither. I have heard both of those things before, and they are pretty disturbing. Would like to hear Kellys side too.
if she was a guy, she would be hated even more. alot of people have been thrown under the bus by the community thats not female, for WAY less. Saying that shes hated because shes a girl is ignorant as hell, and its not me/us beliveing what we hear, proof has been provided trough video-.-
On September 02 2011 20:54 Matkap wrote: wow, i listened to toby talk about her on live on three and i though well she just sucked at dota as much as she sucks at sc2...but no...this is a whole other thing, and I really hope whe never gets to work in e-sports ever ever ever again...
i know this is a fanclub and everything, but i think opening a thread only for this would be worse, and this definitly should be disscused, there isnt really much to discuss, but everyone should hear about this "fine lady"
I know I'll get called a whiteknight or some stupid shit, but this is a Dota thing. No reason to drag this shit all over TL, please. What good would come of a discussion regarding this on TL?
Well, you do realize that there is also a DOTA forums on this site? And these posts aren't in SC2 forums, they are in someone's fan club. And the post pertains to that person. I don't get what the problem is...
Also, this is the video that Tobi was referencing. In the first 20-40 seconds, you could see her focusing.
On September 02 2011 20:54 Matkap wrote: wow, i listened to toby talk about her on live on three and i though well she just sucked at dota as much as she sucks at sc2...but no...this is a whole other thing, and I really hope whe never gets to work in e-sports ever ever ever again...
i know this is a fanclub and everything, but i think opening a thread only for this would be worse, and this definitly should be disscused, there isnt really much to discuss, but everyone should hear about this "fine lady"
I know I'll get called a whiteknight or some stupid shit, but this is a Dota thing. No reason to drag this shit all over TL, please. What good would come of a discussion regarding this on TL?
Well, you do realize that there is also a DOTA forums on this site? And these posts aren't in SC2 forums, they are in someone's fan club. And the post pertains to that person. I don't get what the problem is...
Also, this is the video that Tobi was referencing. In the first 20-40 seconds, you could see her focusing.
Holy shit, that video was painful. I feel for the other commentator dude.
What .... the...... heck.... that was the worst thing I've ever seen a commentator do. You might have a bad day but thats your job to cast. Did she ever work with the dota community after?
According to some posts from r/starcraft and r/leagueoflegends: "This chick [Kelly].. slept with Ocelote at Gamescon while being with boyfriend and kids.. n/c for this. Such person like that shouldn´t be a public caster :-/"
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she has a alottt of knowledge of starcraft 2 , and i think she's a good permanent addition to cast code A alongside Artosis :D
KellyMILKIES
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i would love if she speaks a little bit slower sometimes then she would be the best addition to artosis/tasteless ![[image loading]](http://i55.tinypic.com/2dqn75s.jpg)
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