EPTOn April 04 2011 23:28 nWong wrote:
Class act in the TLO game.
keep it up idra
Class act in the TLO game.
keep it up idra
Care to explain what did he do? Missed it.
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Grettin
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Care to explain what did he do? Missed it. | ||
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Asparagus
United States269 Posts
in a nutshell, greg was interviewed by bitters himself and he gave TLO props and told him he won outright. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On April 04 2011 23:49 Asparagus wrote: in a nutshell, greg was interviewed by bitters himself and he gave TLO props and told him he won outright. He also foreited the game after they had to pause due to lag spikes. | ||
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zeru
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
Here's the interview... | ||
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Refused.
United States108 Posts
"Oh, btw this happened: "Are you CrunCher?" - IdrA "Yeah, can we be friends?" - CrunCher "Fuck you." - IdrA on the walk back from drinks" | ||
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Sergeras
Bulgaria185 Posts
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Asparagus
United States269 Posts
On April 05 2011 00:21 Sergeras wrote: Pretty awesome tweet may I say.Idra always gracks me up XD Wait, is IdrA even old enough to drink? If he isn't, I bet he's pretty wasted after tonight, hell after his first beer he might be seeing hallucinations or at least double vision. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On April 04 2011 21:27 Talin wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On April 04 2011 20:47 Krehlmar wrote: Great argument, saying he's wrong. Oh, you mean like "Do you have a degree in 'human psyche'" great? Good then. I didn't think I needed to make an argument against something that's factually incorrect, people just need to look it up or know what they're talking about. There are examples of e-sports being insanely successful without any of the elements he thinks are "necessary" for media attention or w/e. There are even more examples of people who don't follow an (e)sport so they can enjoy "seeing people get hurt" or trash talking - in fact I'd say people who take pleasure in that kind of stuff are kind of weird to say the least. So yeah, he's pretty much wrong. On April 04 2011 20:47 Krehlmar wrote: The fatal flaw in your poor argument is that you compare IdrA with the "cesspool" CS pro's and community. IdrA is cool, compossed, never screams (like just about every FPS player) and he doesn't ever base his arguments opinion on worthless arguments such as "you're wrong by the way". now those facts may or may not be right and that is another discussion but what the point is is that IdrA thinks they're right and thus he'll argue through them; He won't ever talk pure shit, he'll always atleast believe he is 100% right through facts not opinions. I don't care about his opinions (or "what he 100% believes are facts" which is otherwise known as an opinion as well), I care about behaviour and sportsmanship - or in Idra's case, lack of. I also care about people trying to turn that into a positive thing for the game and the scene. Just because he doesn't scream and talks in an even tone doesn't mean he's composed and cool. He's been far from a composed professional in pretty much any recent interview or public appearance. He's easily irritable and has unprofessional, disrespectful and childish outbursts all the time. I'm not questioning his belief that his opinions are based on facts, nor how right or wrong he usually is, just the way he's expressing it. And by the way, "fuck off" has nothing to do with opinions or facts. And I'm not just talking about yesterday's games vs HuK, he's consistently insulted players before (while streaming in KR, in between games etc). Also, his judging of other players' skill is more insulting than objective or insightful. On April 04 2011 20:47 Krehlmar wrote: Now stop trolling a topic dedicated to a person since it's as retarded as putting ones dick in a ants nest. The thread may be dedicated to a single person, but the recent topic on the thread was about what is good for e-sports. I coudn't care less about the thread or the person, but I do have an opinion on the current topic of discussion - that I didn't start, by the way. Some people have very delusional views on that which I would like to respond to, which is what I'm doing. On April 04 2011 20:49 zedi wrote: Sorry, but the cultural differences between USA and Korea are a reason big enough why the same scheme won't work outside Korea. This is actually a very valid point (unlike most others). However, most of the original Starcraft community has been influenced by Korean e-sports a lot more than the western gaming culture. This community already has the "right" foundations. And all cultural differences aside, if you want Starcraft to reach the point where kids can enjoy watching it on TV or even online at home anywhere in the world, you can't base it around concepts of "trashtalk drama marketing". Eventually it'll hit a wall and won't ever progress beyond the typical gamer audience (and gamer audience is usually fickle and disloyal / unreliable). User was warned for this post Since you didn't get what I was saying about not having this discussion in the discussiontopics godamn fanpage I won't take the time to read that wall of text you just posted except for the last parts. There is no sport in the world where every player is babysafe, except perhaps chess. Football, hockey, american football, tennis and even golf has their "black sheep" whom swear and cuss of other people aswell as judges. IdrA is that person. No one here is saying everyone should be like IdrA, not even IdrA says that. We're saying we like IdrA for whom he is and we think he adds to the starcraft community. You might not agree but you are vastly outmatched and trying to discuss this in his own fanthread is like standing on the shore trying to stop the waves. You're wrong and wasting time hating when nobody cares, do like everyone else and post comments on everything IdrA participates in going "hurpaderp i saw 3 screenshots when idra said 'fuck' and now ill never stop being a carebear about it". Nobody gives a shit about your moral crusade, least of all in this topic. | ||
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Asparagus
United States269 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
Josh said they were just trolling each other. -_- incase someone gets something crazy in their head reading that. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On April 04 2011 20:00 Talin wrote: Creating drama attracts the wrong kind of viewers to the scene. It turns it into the cesspool that a lot of FPS communities are. Realize that if you want e-sports to grow, you DO NOT want a trashtalking nerd gamer kid stereotype representing it and you DO NOT want fans of similar mentality. That kind of scene might attract some extra viewers in some cultures (that the community is better off without anyway), but in a long run it will only block any further growth and keep it away from mainstream. Also, compare some other western e-sports that generate that kind of "drama" to the Korean BW scene which is strictly professional and holds up to very high standards of behaviour - it's not that hard to see which one is more successful, more popular, more profitable and more mainstream. So how about we look up to something that's actually proven to work instead? So no, personal drama and childishness isn't a recipe for the success of e-sports. That stuff can only help some fringe competitive video games or some "sports" specifically designed to cater to that kind of "audience". Starcraft is neither, at least I hope. I wasn't aware Starcraft was the gentlemen's club. | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
On April 05 2011 00:52 Denzil wrote: I wasn't aware Starcraft was the gentlemen's club. The "strictly professional" BW that has players in dresses dancing down hallways and firebathero stripping down to his underwear and jumping into the sea after a win that actually exists might conflict somewhat with the starched-shirt victorian era gentlemen you are trying to describe. Sc2 in Korea isn't devoid of BM or drama either, as the recent GSL finals might help to prove. | ||
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DennizR
Sweden653 Posts
On April 05 2011 00:51 GenoZStriker wrote: Josh said they were just trolling each other. -_- incase someone gets something crazy in their head reading that. Yeah, its kinda worth mentioning something like this, instead of instigating more drama >_> Idra would come off as a huge jackass if they were being serious  | ||
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
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Airship
United States465 Posts
On April 05 2011 00:27 Asparagus wrote: Wait, is IdrA even old enough to drink? If he isn't, I bet he's pretty wasted after tonight, hell after his first beer he might be seeing hallucinations or at least double vision. He's been living in Korea, where he was old enough to drink for a couple of years. I believe he's 20 now, so I guess he's back to not being old enough again. The legal drinking age is nonsense, anyway. | ||
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
On April 05 2011 01:06 Airship wrote: He's been living in Korea, where he was old enough to drink for a couple of years. I believe he's 20 now, so I guess he's back to not being old enough again. The legal drinking age is nonsense, anyway. Yeah, in USA u need to be 21 yeah ? That sucks, in Poland its 18. | ||
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Starlos
Canada191 Posts
On April 05 2011 00:35 Krehlmar wrote: Since you didn't get what I was saying about not having this discussion in the discussiontopics godamn fanpage I won't take the time to read that wall of text you just posted except for the last parts. There is no sport in the world where every player is babysafe, except perhaps chess. Football, hockey, american football, tennis and even golf has their "black sheep" whom swear and cuss of other people aswell as judges. IdrA is that person. No one here is saying everyone should be like IdrA, not even IdrA says that. We're saying we like IdrA for whom he is and we think he adds to the starcraft community. You might not agree but you are vastly outmatched and trying to discuss this in his own fanthread is like standing on the shore trying to stop the waves. You're wrong and wasting time hating when nobody cares, do like everyone else and post comments on everything IdrA participates in going "hurpaderp i saw 3 screenshots when idra said 'fuck' and now ill never stop being a carebear about it". Nobody gives a shit about your moral crusade, least of all in this topic. What the heck ? Ever heard of players like Bobby Fischer ? Even in chess there's IdrA-like players. By the way, was the SC:BW pro scene even that popular (outside of Korea) compared to SC2 ? Just wondering how the "professionalism" he was talking about helped the e-sport grow. | ||
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Flytrapz
United States32 Posts
I'm a big fan of Idra's mechanics, but c'mon, those hallucinated voidrays were awesome. | ||
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Starlos
Canada191 Posts
On April 05 2011 01:58 Flytrapz wrote: Does anyone know why Idra hates HuK so much? I mean, I get his position on protoss, but the whole "Kiwikaki is really good" and "Huk is actually retarded" thing doesn't make sense to me. HuK is a fine Protoss player. So it's obviously personal. Anyone know the back story there? I'm a big fan of Idra's mechanics, but c'mon, those hallucinated voidrays were awesome. IdrA doesn't really hate Huk, he just despise his cheesy play and think he's no good. I doubt there's hatred in his mind. | ||
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