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On March 28 2011 05:25 GreEny K wrote:
Yeah nice ninja-edit on that one JNJ. I hope your next posts don't talk about personal investment and then show you completely ignoring what other people have to say due to you thinking you're right.
Lol. Alright if you say so dude. Look at all my posts I've made and tell me how I'm completely ignoring him. I read his argument and I made mine.
On March 28 2011 05:27 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:25 Gaius Baltar wrote:On March 28 2011 05:02 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:56 Gaius Baltar wrote:
JinNJuice makes a good point about the credentials argument.
IdrA, I've always been a peripheral fan of yours. After today, you're one of my top 3 favorite players. Truly godly play today. The credentials argument was started by him, belittling another poster as having no knowledge of the game... Fair enough. I just meant specifically that just because somebody doesn't have credentials, doesn't mean they are wrong. Chill said once in WoC that there are some top players who do well without understanding the game well. And there are some avid stream watchers who don't play at all but understand the game extremely well. I completely agree with you, I understand the game a hell of a lot better than I play it lol. Some things are weird like that, but that just goes to prove even more so that he was wrong for dismissing Tyree's statements since even if Tyree is not a great player (which i do not know) he could still have a deep understanding of the game.
I don't get how you can make this statement while at the same time throwing out garbage like "What's your credentials i'm 3500 masters." I don't get how you can read a statement like "Idra should've teched to hive" and think that he has deep understanding of the game. But if that makes me the bad guy, then whatever I guess.
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Go Idra! Prediction-- 2-0 for Idra since cruncher can't crunch through the gracken skin!
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On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:04 Denzil wrote:On March 28 2011 05:02 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 04:53 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:46 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:42 growl wrote:On March 28 2011 04:37 GreEny K wrote:
Firstly, 6 gate off 2 base is not all in... Secondly, if you're gonna make scouting cheaper for zerg and terran you will need to make it easier for protoss as well. Waiting for a robotics and observer takes longer than waiting for 50 energy to scan. What game are you playing? A 6 gate push that fast off 2 base is definitely all in, especially when you cut probes and tech like Cruncher did. I didn't see Cruncher cut probes, he was chronoboosting them last time the observer showed his main base. And considering I do 6 gate all the time, I know how all in it really is. On March 28 2011 04:41 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:38 Tyree wrote:
I am not here to tell Idra or other Zergs what units to make, that wasent my intent.
I was trying to explain to people why more supply does not mean you played better, especially when you compare a macro Zerg who has the cheapest units in the game vs a Protoss who litterally made the most expensive units he almost could (bar Carriers).
Go in the game now, and play as both races, make the same units and see how fast each hits max, supply has no barring on skill or who played better. Yeah but you can't really comment on any of that when you have no knowledge of the matchup can you? The fact that a 6-base zerg can't get the econ to produce an army size to beat a 2/3-base protoss deathball is pretty sad. So when did we establish his skill and knowledge? If that were an issue here I would ask you what credentials you have to make all of these "all-knowing" posts and analysis. Typical TL poster. Needs credentials to be able to accept analysis that actually makes sense. What does my credentials have to do with the fact that I'm right? The fact that he thought that Hive tech would've helped Idra shows that he doesn't understand the matchup. Day9 also questioned the lack of Hive, guess his credentials are null and void while yours are just "right" right? Look i see what you are trying to do, you are upset your favorite player lost and you want to enter into a pissing contest on Idras own fanpage for whatever reason, i am not biting and it is not fair to other Idra fans to read through this. I simply explained why Idras supply got maxed faster than his opponents, i did that 100% correctly, i stand by that because anyone who has played this game knows it is the truth and cannot be used as a measure of skill. I wont bother replying to you because this is Idras Fanpage, start a pissing contest with someone else but i wont be a part of it  Then enlighten me because I'm really not seeing it. What does the Hive DO to stop Voidrays? Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about, did you see the corruptors vs. voidray fight? Hive would have mean less corruptors hitting the voidrays and more beefy units for VR's to charge up on.
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i guess here is the right place to start a cruncher-antifan-club, huh? SIGN ME IN!!!
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On March 28 2011 05:27 Forgottenfrog wrote:
Go Idra! Prediction-- 2-0 for Idra since cruncher can't crunch through the gracken skin!
lol
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On March 28 2011 05:26 Junichi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:23 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 05:21 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:On March 28 2011 05:04 Denzil wrote:On March 28 2011 05:02 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 04:53 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:46 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:42 growl wrote:On March 28 2011 04:37 GreEny K wrote:
Firstly, 6 gate off 2 base is not all in... Secondly, if you're gonna make scouting cheaper for zerg and terran you will need to make it easier for protoss as well. Waiting for a robotics and observer takes longer than waiting for 50 energy to scan. What game are you playing? A 6 gate push that fast off 2 base is definitely all in, especially when you cut probes and tech like Cruncher did. I didn't see Cruncher cut probes, he was chronoboosting them last time the observer showed his main base. And considering I do 6 gate all the time, I know how all in it really is. On March 28 2011 04:41 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:38 Tyree wrote:
I am not here to tell Idra or other Zergs what units to make, that wasent my intent.
I was trying to explain to people why more supply does not mean you played better, especially when you compare a macro Zerg who has the cheapest units in the game vs a Protoss who litterally made the most expensive units he almost could (bar Carriers).
Go in the game now, and play as both races, make the same units and see how fast each hits max, supply has no barring on skill or who played better. Yeah but you can't really comment on any of that when you have no knowledge of the matchup can you? The fact that a 6-base zerg can't get the econ to produce an army size to beat a 2/3-base protoss deathball is pretty sad. So when did we establish his skill and knowledge? If that were an issue here I would ask you what credentials you have to make all of these "all-knowing" posts and analysis. Typical TL poster. Needs credentials to be able to accept analysis that actually makes sense. What does my credentials have to do with the fact that I'm right? The fact that he thought that Hive tech would've helped Idra shows that he doesn't understand the matchup. Day9 also questioned the lack of Hive, guess his credentials are null and void while yours are just "right" right? Look i see what you are trying to do, you are upset your favorite player lost and you want to enter into a pissing contest on Idras own fanpage for whatever reason, i am not biting and it is not fair to other Idra fans to read through this. I simply explained why Idras supply got maxed faster than his opponents, i did that 100% correctly, i stand by that because anyone who has played this game knows it is the truth and cannot be used as a measure of skill. I wont bother replying to you because this is Idras Fanpage, start a pissing contest with someone else but i wont be a part of it Then enlighten me because I'm really not seeing it. What does the Hive DO to stop Voidrays? Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct. Lol i'm not eve going to get into this one...I hope you're happy Greeny  . This statement is hilarious. why are you directing that at me? I didn't once in all of my posts mention anything about massing corruptors. But since we're on the topic. Both Wheat and Sean did say that... Day9 and Wheat spoke of overproducing corruptors and then having nothing to kill the groundforce. They pointed out, that it is not a good idea.
Yeah but I'm not sure if this was after or before the statement you're talking about but at some point they said that he could have gotten more corruptors and greater spire instead of getting +2 air. Not trying to argue if that is the correct or incorrect decision, just putting it out there that it was said.
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On March 28 2011 05:27 Aranaukin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:On March 28 2011 05:04 Denzil wrote:On March 28 2011 05:02 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 04:53 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:46 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:42 growl wrote:On March 28 2011 04:37 GreEny K wrote:
Firstly, 6 gate off 2 base is not all in... Secondly, if you're gonna make scouting cheaper for zerg and terran you will need to make it easier for protoss as well. Waiting for a robotics and observer takes longer than waiting for 50 energy to scan. What game are you playing? A 6 gate push that fast off 2 base is definitely all in, especially when you cut probes and tech like Cruncher did. I didn't see Cruncher cut probes, he was chronoboosting them last time the observer showed his main base. And considering I do 6 gate all the time, I know how all in it really is. On March 28 2011 04:41 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:38 Tyree wrote:
I am not here to tell Idra or other Zergs what units to make, that wasent my intent.
I was trying to explain to people why more supply does not mean you played better, especially when you compare a macro Zerg who has the cheapest units in the game vs a Protoss who litterally made the most expensive units he almost could (bar Carriers).
Go in the game now, and play as both races, make the same units and see how fast each hits max, supply has no barring on skill or who played better. Yeah but you can't really comment on any of that when you have no knowledge of the matchup can you? The fact that a 6-base zerg can't get the econ to produce an army size to beat a 2/3-base protoss deathball is pretty sad. So when did we establish his skill and knowledge? If that were an issue here I would ask you what credentials you have to make all of these "all-knowing" posts and analysis. Typical TL poster. Needs credentials to be able to accept analysis that actually makes sense. What does my credentials have to do with the fact that I'm right? The fact that he thought that Hive tech would've helped Idra shows that he doesn't understand the matchup. Day9 also questioned the lack of Hive, guess his credentials are null and void while yours are just "right" right? Look i see what you are trying to do, you are upset your favorite player lost and you want to enter into a pissing contest on Idras own fanpage for whatever reason, i am not biting and it is not fair to other Idra fans to read through this. I simply explained why Idras supply got maxed faster than his opponents, i did that 100% correctly, i stand by that because anyone who has played this game knows it is the truth and cannot be used as a measure of skill. I wont bother replying to you because this is Idras Fanpage, start a pissing contest with someone else but i wont be a part of it Then enlighten me because I'm really not seeing it. What does the Hive DO to stop Voidrays? Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, did you see the corruptors vs. voidray fight? Hive would have mean less corruptors hitting the voidrays and more beefy units for VR's to charge up on.
At that point it was too late which was IdrA's mistake, letting the game get to that point. It was too late and the game completely fell into Cruncher's hand. If he had teched to hive earlier and gotten BroodLords before the game got to that point he would have been in a better position to take it.
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On March 28 2011 05:27 Forgottenfrog wrote:
Go Idra! Prediction-- 2-0 for Idra since cruncher can't crunch through the gracken skin!
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if zerg manages to kill the colossis and the void rays with a ton of corruptors, you want to remax on something that builds fast. not ultras and not brood lords. theres a reason idra made lings when cruncher was 1aing his ball across the map. in a perfect world i think he would have wanted to remax on roaches.
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On March 28 2011 05:31 Razyel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:27 Forgottenfrog wrote:
Go Idra! Prediction-- 2-0 for Idra since cruncher can't crunch through the gracken skin!
TOO SOOOOOOOOOON! D:
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On March 28 2011 05:30 GenoZStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:27 Aranaukin wrote:On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:On March 28 2011 05:04 Denzil wrote:On March 28 2011 05:02 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 04:53 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:46 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:42 growl wrote:On March 28 2011 04:37 GreEny K wrote:
Firstly, 6 gate off 2 base is not all in... Secondly, if you're gonna make scouting cheaper for zerg and terran you will need to make it easier for protoss as well. Waiting for a robotics and observer takes longer than waiting for 50 energy to scan. What game are you playing? A 6 gate push that fast off 2 base is definitely all in, especially when you cut probes and tech like Cruncher did. I didn't see Cruncher cut probes, he was chronoboosting them last time the observer showed his main base. And considering I do 6 gate all the time, I know how all in it really is. On March 28 2011 04:41 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:38 Tyree wrote:
I am not here to tell Idra or other Zergs what units to make, that wasent my intent.
I was trying to explain to people why more supply does not mean you played better, especially when you compare a macro Zerg who has the cheapest units in the game vs a Protoss who litterally made the most expensive units he almost could (bar Carriers).
Go in the game now, and play as both races, make the same units and see how fast each hits max, supply has no barring on skill or who played better. Yeah but you can't really comment on any of that when you have no knowledge of the matchup can you? The fact that a 6-base zerg can't get the econ to produce an army size to beat a 2/3-base protoss deathball is pretty sad. So when did we establish his skill and knowledge? If that were an issue here I would ask you what credentials you have to make all of these "all-knowing" posts and analysis. Typical TL poster. Needs credentials to be able to accept analysis that actually makes sense. What does my credentials have to do with the fact that I'm right? The fact that he thought that Hive tech would've helped Idra shows that he doesn't understand the matchup. Day9 also questioned the lack of Hive, guess his credentials are null and void while yours are just "right" right? Look i see what you are trying to do, you are upset your favorite player lost and you want to enter into a pissing contest on Idras own fanpage for whatever reason, i am not biting and it is not fair to other Idra fans to read through this. I simply explained why Idras supply got maxed faster than his opponents, i did that 100% correctly, i stand by that because anyone who has played this game knows it is the truth and cannot be used as a measure of skill. I wont bother replying to you because this is Idras Fanpage, start a pissing contest with someone else but i wont be a part of it Then enlighten me because I'm really not seeing it. What does the Hive DO to stop Voidrays? Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct. You clearly don't know what you're talking about, did you see the corruptors vs. voidray fight? Hive would have mean less corruptors hitting the voidrays and more beefy units for VR's to charge up on. At that point it was too late which was Greg's mistake, letting the game get to that point. It was too late and the game completely fell into Cruncher's hand. If he had teched to hive earlier and gotten BroodLords before the game got to that point he would have been in a better position to take it.
wat? getting brood lords before the endgame? and do you not realise how hard it is to break a protoss who is turtling on 3 bases? in the second game he managed it by not only completely outmacroing (double food at 10 mins with 0 engagements....) but also completely outplaying with drops and other things. if cruncher was nearly as good as idra it wouldnt have been possible.
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On March 28 2011 05:32 imbs wrote:
if zerg manages to kill the colossis and the void rays with a ton of corruptors, you want to remax on something that builds fast. not ultras and not brood lords. theres a reason idra made lings when cruncher was 1aing his ball across the map. in a perfect world i think he would have wanted to remax on roaches.
I'll have to check the vod later, but I'm pretty sure he was starved on gas from making all the corruptors. Lings were a solid choice, and the only choice. But the battle plan was for the void rays and colossi to be dead when they showed up, which didn't happen.
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i still dont see why people think hive tech would've mattered. could someone explain
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Yeah you are right @GreenyK, they said so (and I think it was after the statement I referred to), but in my opinion it was wrong. I do not think that broodlords would have helped IdrA.
Better upgrades (and ofc more units, but that is somewhat like stating a fact) in my opinion were the only thing which could have done anything useful here and for that his hive timing was correct.
on a completelely unrelated note: the trolls in this thread are really bad this evening. I mean sometimes you get a giggle out of trolls (posts) but today they were just pathetic imo.
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On March 28 2011 05:34 Whole wrote:
i still dont see why people think hive tech would've mattered. could someone explain
3/3 upgrades maybe, dunno if toss gets deathball its GG
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On March 28 2011 05:35 Junichi wrote:
Yeah you are right @GreenyK, they said so (and I think it was after the statement I referred to), but in my opinion it was wrong. I do not think that broodlords would have helped IdrA.
Better upgrades (and ofc more units, but that is somewhat like stating a fact) in my opinion were the only thing which could have done anything useful here and for that his hive timing was correct.
on a completelely unrelated note: the trolls in this thread are really bad this evening. I mean sometimes you get a giggle out of trolls (posts) but today they were just pathetic imo.
Yeah probably, he should have massed some sort of fast building unit after killing off all of the void-rays, roaches would have been ideal I think.
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Im tired of saying sth like: yeah he is better then his opponent but he lost to All ins.
Idras macro is probably better then crunshers and he had more succes in the past.
But Idra is weak to allins that IS his problem so he often lose to them so is he the better player? Maybe he is, he has better macro but can you only be a "good player" if your macro is great?
The best argument against that is Boxer his macro was never really impressing (it never was) but he was one of the best players in sc bw. So he just cheeses his opponents? Maybe but is that necessary "bad"? Is he worse then his opponent? Imho he isnt his macro is worse yes but his decisions, or cheese call it what you want are better.
Maybe you should think about that when you flame other players.
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Ok, I've settled.
Greg's the better player, but I won't take anything away from CrunCher, it's like what MorroW did against Jinro, he took the only shot he had, and it worked.
Greg'll get his MLG victory next week, and the Gracken will be brack for real!
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On March 28 2011 05:35 inimenesc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:34 Whole wrote:
i still dont see why people think hive tech would've mattered. could someone explain 3/3 upgrades maybe, dunno if toss gets deathball its GG
Hive was already out. He had ground 3/3 (don't know about air). People are talking about ultras or broodlords.
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