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CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
March 27 2011 20:42 GMT
#5721
On March 28 2011 05:21 Moonling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:04 Denzil wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:02 Tyree wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:53 JinNJuice wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:46 GreEny K wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:42 growl wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:37 GreEny K wrote:
Firstly, 6 gate off 2 base is not all in... Secondly, if you're gonna make scouting cheaper for zerg and terran you will need to make it easier for protoss as well. Waiting for a robotics and observer takes longer than waiting for 50 energy to scan.

What game are you playing? A 6 gate push that fast off 2 base is definitely all in, especially when you cut probes and tech like Cruncher did.


I didn't see Cruncher cut probes, he was chronoboosting them last time the observer showed his main base. And considering I do 6 gate all the time, I know how all in it really is.

On March 28 2011 04:41 JinNJuice wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:38 Tyree wrote:
I am not here to tell Idra or other Zergs what units to make, that wasent my intent.

I was trying to explain to people why more supply does not mean you played better, especially when you compare a macro Zerg who has the cheapest units in the game vs a Protoss who litterally made the most expensive units he almost could (bar Carriers).

Go in the game now, and play as both races, make the same units and see how fast each hits max, supply has no barring on skill or who played better.


Yeah but you can't really comment on any of that when you have no knowledge of the matchup can you? The fact that a 6-base zerg can't get the econ to produce an army size to beat a 2/3-base protoss deathball is pretty sad.


So when did we establish his skill and knowledge? If that were an issue here I would ask you what credentials you have to make all of these "all-knowing" posts and analysis.


Typical TL poster. Needs credentials to be able to accept analysis that actually makes sense. What does my credentials have to do with the fact that I'm right? The fact that he thought that Hive tech would've helped Idra shows that he doesn't understand the matchup.


Day9 also questioned the lack of Hive, guess his credentials are null and void while yours are just "right" right?

Look i see what you are trying to do, you are upset your favorite player lost and you want to enter into a pissing contest on Idras own fanpage for whatever reason, i am not biting and it is not fair to other Idra fans to read through this.

I simply explained why Idras supply got maxed faster than his opponents, i did that 100% correctly, i stand by that because anyone who has played this game knows it is the truth and cannot be used as a measure of skill.

I wont bother replying to you because this is Idras Fanpage, start a pissing contest with someone else but i wont be a part of it



Then enlighten me because I'm really not seeing it. What does the Hive DO to stop Voidrays?


Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.


So your saying that you overkill with corropurs then while your Corropurs morph to Broodlords, You kill him? (So the stalkers aren't allowed to shoot the morphing BL in this scenario?)


You think IdrA is an idiot and would never move corrups after killing vr/collo and THEN morphing into broods? the way you play it is to send corrups in first, suicide n shit then clean up most of stalkers, rest of stalkers die to broods. Please.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
March 27 2011 20:43 GMT
#5722
To come back on the topic "Zerg can max faster than any other races"--> Yes so what? Protoss and terran just turtle up, get a 200 deathball, and then you're stucked with your weak max zerg army who have 0 chance to win. Game 2 proved my point, even with Idra trying to do some counter. You're saying that a zerg can remax quickly after losing a battle? Maybe, but often the battle occure inbetween your hatch, so you never have a chance to regroup your army (and if sentries are left, just FF the ramp ah ah)
CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
March 27 2011 20:43 GMT
#5723
On March 28 2011 05:23 ultramafia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:04 Denzil wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:02 Tyree wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:53 JinNJuice wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:46 GreEny K wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:42 growl wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:37 GreEny K wrote:
Firstly, 6 gate off 2 base is not all in... Secondly, if you're gonna make scouting cheaper for zerg and terran you will need to make it easier for protoss as well. Waiting for a robotics and observer takes longer than waiting for 50 energy to scan.

What game are you playing? A 6 gate push that fast off 2 base is definitely all in, especially when you cut probes and tech like Cruncher did.


I didn't see Cruncher cut probes, he was chronoboosting them last time the observer showed his main base. And considering I do 6 gate all the time, I know how all in it really is.

On March 28 2011 04:41 JinNJuice wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:38 Tyree wrote:
I am not here to tell Idra or other Zergs what units to make, that wasent my intent.

I was trying to explain to people why more supply does not mean you played better, especially when you compare a macro Zerg who has the cheapest units in the game vs a Protoss who litterally made the most expensive units he almost could (bar Carriers).

Go in the game now, and play as both races, make the same units and see how fast each hits max, supply has no barring on skill or who played better.


Yeah but you can't really comment on any of that when you have no knowledge of the matchup can you? The fact that a 6-base zerg can't get the econ to produce an army size to beat a 2/3-base protoss deathball is pretty sad.


So when did we establish his skill and knowledge? If that were an issue here I would ask you what credentials you have to make all of these "all-knowing" posts and analysis.


Typical TL poster. Needs credentials to be able to accept analysis that actually makes sense. What does my credentials have to do with the fact that I'm right? The fact that he thought that Hive tech would've helped Idra shows that he doesn't understand the matchup.


Day9 also questioned the lack of Hive, guess his credentials are null and void while yours are just "right" right?

Look i see what you are trying to do, you are upset your favorite player lost and you want to enter into a pissing contest on Idras own fanpage for whatever reason, i am not biting and it is not fair to other Idra fans to read through this.

I simply explained why Idras supply got maxed faster than his opponents, i did that 100% correctly, i stand by that because anyone who has played this game knows it is the truth and cannot be used as a measure of skill.

I wont bother replying to you because this is Idras Fanpage, start a pissing contest with someone else but i wont be a part of it



Then enlighten me because I'm really not seeing it. What does the Hive DO to stop Voidrays?


Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.



That makes no sense. He can overmake corrupters and then go hive and turn them into broods, he had 20+ corrupters and they got destroyed by voids. going broods earlier only would have been a faster loss. THERE IS A REASON BLIZZARD BUFFED FG IN 1.3. A couple fungals with corrupters would have destroyed those voidrays. Day9 was not exclusively wrong as it is not a bad idea to get hive early against voids but it would not have done anything in that situation. Imba map vs an imba strategy. You can disagree all you want. Blizzard changed it for a fucking reason. jesus.


Right, the nonexistant, dead voidrays will kill the broods. Yep.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
March 27 2011 20:44 GMT
#5724
On March 28 2011 05:24 Whatdonow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:04 Denzil wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:02 Tyree wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:53 JinNJuice wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:46 GreEny K wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:42 growl wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:37 GreEny K wrote:
Firstly, 6 gate off 2 base is not all in... Secondly, if you're gonna make scouting cheaper for zerg and terran you will need to make it easier for protoss as well. Waiting for a robotics and observer takes longer than waiting for 50 energy to scan.

What game are you playing? A 6 gate push that fast off 2 base is definitely all in, especially when you cut probes and tech like Cruncher did.


I didn't see Cruncher cut probes, he was chronoboosting them last time the observer showed his main base. And considering I do 6 gate all the time, I know how all in it really is.

On March 28 2011 04:41 JinNJuice wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:38 Tyree wrote:
I am not here to tell Idra or other Zergs what units to make, that wasent my intent.

I was trying to explain to people why more supply does not mean you played better, especially when you compare a macro Zerg who has the cheapest units in the game vs a Protoss who litterally made the most expensive units he almost could (bar Carriers).

Go in the game now, and play as both races, make the same units and see how fast each hits max, supply has no barring on skill or who played better.


Yeah but you can't really comment on any of that when you have no knowledge of the matchup can you? The fact that a 6-base zerg can't get the econ to produce an army size to beat a 2/3-base protoss deathball is pretty sad.


So when did we establish his skill and knowledge? If that were an issue here I would ask you what credentials you have to make all of these "all-knowing" posts and analysis.


Typical TL poster. Needs credentials to be able to accept analysis that actually makes sense. What does my credentials have to do with the fact that I'm right? The fact that he thought that Hive tech would've helped Idra shows that he doesn't understand the matchup.


Day9 also questioned the lack of Hive, guess his credentials are null and void while yours are just "right" right?

Look i see what you are trying to do, you are upset your favorite player lost and you want to enter into a pissing contest on Idras own fanpage for whatever reason, i am not biting and it is not fair to other Idra fans to read through this.

I simply explained why Idras supply got maxed faster than his opponents, i did that 100% correctly, i stand by that because anyone who has played this game knows it is the truth and cannot be used as a measure of skill.

I wont bother replying to you because this is Idras Fanpage, start a pissing contest with someone else but i wont be a part of it



Then enlighten me because I'm really not seeing it. What does the Hive DO to stop Voidrays?


Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.



So all Idra needed to do was to make MORE corrupters when they clearly got destroyed by the void rays and after he kill all the air with this corrupters, he would back up them to be reinforced by his non-existent ground army to morph into broodlords?


suicide corrups, remax faster than toss. derp derp. get broods if you can. pls stop defending random people with no credentials.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 27 2011 20:44 GMT
#5725
On March 28 2011 05:27 JinNJuice wrote:
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On March 28 2011 05:25 GreEny K wrote:
Yeah nice ninja-edit on that one JNJ. I hope your next posts don't talk about personal investment and then show you completely ignoring what other people have to say due to you thinking you're right.



Lol. Alright if you say so dude. Look at all my posts I've made and tell me how I'm completely ignoring him. I read his argument and I made mine.


Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:27 GreEny K wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:25 Gaius Baltar wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:02 GreEny K wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:56 Gaius Baltar wrote:
JinNJuice makes a good point about the credentials argument.

IdrA, I've always been a peripheral fan of yours. After today, you're one of my top 3 favorite players. Truly godly play today.


The credentials argument was started by him, belittling another poster as having no knowledge of the game...

Fair enough. I just meant specifically that just because somebody doesn't have credentials, doesn't mean they are wrong. Chill said once in WoC that there are some top players who do well without understanding the game well. And there are some avid stream watchers who don't play at all but understand the game extremely well.


I completely agree with you, I understand the game a hell of a lot better than I play it lol. Some things are weird like that, but that just goes to prove even more so that he was wrong for dismissing Tyree's statements since even if Tyree is not a great player (which i do not know) he could still have a deep understanding of the game.


I don't get how you can make this statement while at the same time throwing out garbage like "What's your credentials i'm 3500 masters." I don't get how you can read a statement like "Idra should've teched to hive" and think that he has deep understanding of the game. But if that makes me the bad guy, then whatever I guess.


I thought you were done :D lols. I never said anything along the lines of "What are your credentials, I'm 3500 Masters"... I would never say that lol. Somebody belittled my knowledge and I just threw that out there, which they did not reply to so I'm assuming they don't wanna go there. Dude I can't believe the kind of blanket statements you make and then completely go back on them and try to turn things on people... I never said I agreed with the hive comments, that was just an assumption made by you.

Also, just because I am 3500 doesn't mean I can't have better knowledge of the game... For all you know I did not plateau on points yet...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
March 27 2011 20:45 GMT
#5726
On March 28 2011 05:24 Lafie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:

Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.



Yeah, those corruptors really did wipe off those vrs and collos so he could had morphed the, oh wait no...


he had bloody 12 corruptors.
get MORE corruptors, then KILL ALL AIR, TURN INTO BROODS IF POSSIBLE, if not REMAX QUICKER THAN TOSS WITH ROACH HYDRA AND kekeke cause he has no collo/vr, just stalkers maybe 1-2 sentries.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
March 27 2011 20:47 GMT
#5727
On March 28 2011 05:26 imbs wrote:
im enjoying the argument about hive tech. parently people think that ultras n brood lords are rly good against void rays. not like they are armored, massive and cant hit air

2 stargates.
Corruptors kill all collosi and voids.
no more voids/collo left.
Maybe 2 voids and 1 collo that just popped as toss's army gets raped.
You can either get perfect composition vs vr/collo and engage in perfect spot or
-overkill with corruptors, many of them will die, turn a couple into broods and remax with roach/hydra. He only has 6 gates, gateway units suck dick vs roach hydra brood. Voids and collo are not a problem because they are cranked out of 3 production buildings, 3 at a time.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
Aranaukin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States60 Posts
March 27 2011 20:48 GMT
#5728
People not to stop being so obsessed by those 2 letters. "Oh noez Idra didn't say gg he's bad mannered!" Why does joining the game mean you have to say gg? I wouldn't say gg if I didn't think it was good. You shouldn't be forced to show respect to someone just because you meet them in a tournament.
Whatdonow
Profile Joined March 2011
4 Posts
March 27 2011 20:53 GMT
#5729
On March 28 2011 05:45 CodECleaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:24 Lafie wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:

Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.



Yeah, those corruptors really did wipe off those vrs and collos so he could had morphed the, oh wait no...


he had bloody 12 corruptors.
get MORE corruptors, then KILL ALL AIR, TURN INTO BROODS IF POSSIBLE, if not REMAX QUICKER THAN TOSS WITH ROACH HYDRA AND kekeke cause he has no collo/vr, just stalkers maybe 1-2 sentries.


Did you even watch the game? He had WAAAY more than 12 Corruptors.
CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 21:00:00
March 27 2011 20:53 GMT
#5730
On March 28 2011 05:53 Whatdonow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:45 CodECleaR wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:24 Lafie wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:

Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.



Yeah, those corruptors really did wipe off those vrs and collos so he could had morphed the, oh wait no...


he had bloody 12 corruptors.
get MORE corruptors, then KILL ALL AIR, TURN INTO BROODS IF POSSIBLE, if not REMAX QUICKER THAN TOSS WITH ROACH HYDRA AND kekeke cause he has no collo/vr, just stalkers maybe 1-2 sentries.


Did you even watch the game? He had WAAAY more than 12 Corruptors.


Yes I watched the game.
Obviously your mathematical skills are not up to par.

Also: lol @ taking one figure i had that might be off by 2 corruptors and ignoring everything else that has merit. Yes, very intelligent.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
ratMortar
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada282 Posts
March 27 2011 20:57 GMT
#5731
On March 28 2011 05:47 CodECleaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:26 imbs wrote:
im enjoying the argument about hive tech. parently people think that ultras n brood lords are rly good against void rays. not like they are armored, massive and cant hit air

2 stargates.
Corruptors kill all collosi and voids.
no more voids/collo left.
Maybe 2 voids and 1 collo that just popped as toss's army gets raped.
You can either get perfect composition vs vr/collo and engage in perfect spot or
-overkill with corruptors, many of them will die, turn a couple into broods and remax with roach/hydra. He only has 6 gates, gateway units suck dick vs roach hydra brood. Voids and collo are not a problem because they are cranked out of 3 production buildings, 3 at a time.


Except Corruptors don't kill void rays. they deal extra massive damage while VR crushes armored flyers.

Did you even see the 2nd battle when IdrA had remade 16 corruptors after losing his first group? He lost his first 15 and barely kileld a single VR.

Your argument is fucking retarded and you've been pushing it like it's a fact that corrupters counter void-rays when they don't. Especially when your opponent has a bunch of blink stalkers on the ground.

No, IdrA couldn't have won if he made pure corruptors, the void rays are too cost effecient against them.

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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 27 2011 20:58 GMT
#5732
On March 28 2011 05:57 ratMortar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:47 CodECleaR wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:26 imbs wrote:
im enjoying the argument about hive tech. parently people think that ultras n brood lords are rly good against void rays. not like they are armored, massive and cant hit air

2 stargates.
Corruptors kill all collosi and voids.
no more voids/collo left.
Maybe 2 voids and 1 collo that just popped as toss's army gets raped.
You can either get perfect composition vs vr/collo and engage in perfect spot or
-overkill with corruptors, many of them will die, turn a couple into broods and remax with roach/hydra. He only has 6 gates, gateway units suck dick vs roach hydra brood. Voids and collo are not a problem because they are cranked out of 3 production buildings, 3 at a time.


Except Corruptors don't kill void rays. they deal extra massive damage while VR crushes armored flyers.

Did you even see the 2nd battle when IdrA had remade 16 corruptors after losing his first group? He lost his first 15 and barely kileld a single VR.

Your argument is fucking retarded and you've been pushing it like it's a fact that corrupters counter void-rays when they don't. Especially when your opponent has a bunch of blink stalkers on the ground.

No, IdrA couldn't have won if he made pure corruptors, the void rays are too cost effecient against them.


No need for name calling... Make an argument, don't just insult him
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Whatdonow
Profile Joined March 2011
4 Posts
March 27 2011 20:59 GMT
#5733
On March 28 2011 05:53 CodECleaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:53 Whatdonow wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:45 CodECleaR wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:24 Lafie wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:

Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.



Yeah, those corruptors really did wipe off those vrs and collos so he could had morphed the, oh wait no...


he had bloody 12 corruptors.
get MORE corruptors, then KILL ALL AIR, TURN INTO BROODS IF POSSIBLE, if not REMAX QUICKER THAN TOSS WITH ROACH HYDRA AND kekeke cause he has no collo/vr, just stalkers maybe 1-2 sentries.


Did you even watch the game? He had WAAAY more than 12 Corruptors.


Yes I watched the game.
Obviously your mathematical skills are not up to par.


Are you talking about Idra's first push when he pushed into the Crunch's Natural Wall with his roach/hydra and then sent his Corruptors to the top Xel'Naga where they got taken out by the 13 Void Rays? Or are you talking about when he massed Corruptors and met the Death Ball in the middle? He had at least 25 Corruptors when he engaged him in the middle with speedlings and Corruptors.
CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
March 27 2011 21:01 GMT
#5734
[QUOTE]On March 28 2011 05:58 GreEny K wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 28 2011 05:57 ratMortar wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 28 2011 05:47 CodECleaR wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 28 2011 05:26 imbs wrote:
im enjoying the argument about hive tech. parently people think that ultras n brood lords are rly good against void rays. not like they are armored, massive and cant hit air[/QUOTE]
2 stargates.
Corruptors kill all collosi and voids.
no more voids/collo left.
Maybe 2 voids and 1 collo that just popped as toss's army gets raped.
You can either get perfect composition vs vr/collo and engage in perfect spot or
-overkill with corruptors, many of them will die, turn a couple into broods and remax with roach/hydra. He only has 6 gates, gateway units suck dick vs roach hydra brood. Voids and collo are not a problem because they are cranked out of 3 production buildings, 3 at a time. [/QUOTE]

Except Corruptors don't kill void rays. they deal extra massive damage while VR crushes armored flyers.

Did you even see the 2nd battle when IdrA had remade 16 corruptors after losing his first group? He lost his first 15 and barely kileld a single VR.

Your argument is fucking retarded and you've been pushing it like it's a fact that corrupters counter void-rays when they don't. Especially when your opponent has a bunch of blink stalkers on the ground.

No, IdrA couldn't have won if he made pure corruptors, the void rays are too cost effecient against them.[/QUOTE]

Gross generalizations exemplifying all of the people who came to tl.net after sc2 and think that they can hurl around insults with no basis.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
Nukm_
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany104 Posts
March 27 2011 21:02 GMT
#5735
On March 28 2011 05:48 Aranaukin wrote:
People not to stop being so obsessed by those 2 letters. "Oh noez Idra didn't say gg he's bad mannered!" Why does joining the game mean you have to say gg? I wouldn't say gg if I didn't think it was good. You shouldn't be forced to show respect to someone just because you meet them in a tournament.


yeah, actually you should...
and it was more than just the missing gg, past smack talk, the pre match interviewand lobby chat.
limeaR
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland22 Posts
March 27 2011 21:02 GMT
#5736
On March 28 2011 05:24 Healedyou wrote:
Multi-dropping hydralisks while keeping up larva injects and expanding. That is skill!!

100% agreed. Game 2 showed how much better control/multi-tasking IdrA has over CrunCher. It also feels like zerg needs to win pretty early on vs protoss.
Huge sacks
SweetNJoshSauce
Profile Joined July 2010
United States468 Posts
March 27 2011 21:02 GMT
#5737
Gotta feel bad for idra, that first game was awesome. The creep spread, the awesome unit combination, the quickly maxed out army.

Yet it still didn't do shit against the Toss death ball
ratMortar
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada282 Posts
March 27 2011 21:03 GMT
#5738
On March 28 2011 05:58 GreEny K wrote:


No need for name calling... Make an argument, don't just insult him


He's telling people that they don't know what they're talking about and making naive assumptions that hold no water. I didn't insult him, but his argument is bad and he needs to stop.
ultramafia
Profile Joined August 2010
221 Posts
March 27 2011 21:04 GMT
#5739
On March 28 2011 05:43 CodECleaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:23 ultramafia wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:19 CodECleaR wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:04 Denzil wrote:
On March 28 2011 05:02 Tyree wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:53 JinNJuice wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:46 GreEny K wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:42 growl wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:37 GreEny K wrote:
Firstly, 6 gate off 2 base is not all in... Secondly, if you're gonna make scouting cheaper for zerg and terran you will need to make it easier for protoss as well. Waiting for a robotics and observer takes longer than waiting for 50 energy to scan.

What game are you playing? A 6 gate push that fast off 2 base is definitely all in, especially when you cut probes and tech like Cruncher did.


I didn't see Cruncher cut probes, he was chronoboosting them last time the observer showed his main base. And considering I do 6 gate all the time, I know how all in it really is.

On March 28 2011 04:41 JinNJuice wrote:
On March 28 2011 04:38 Tyree wrote:
I am not here to tell Idra or other Zergs what units to make, that wasent my intent.

I was trying to explain to people why more supply does not mean you played better, especially when you compare a macro Zerg who has the cheapest units in the game vs a Protoss who litterally made the most expensive units he almost could (bar Carriers).

Go in the game now, and play as both races, make the same units and see how fast each hits max, supply has no barring on skill or who played better.


Yeah but you can't really comment on any of that when you have no knowledge of the matchup can you? The fact that a 6-base zerg can't get the econ to produce an army size to beat a 2/3-base protoss deathball is pretty sad.


So when did we establish his skill and knowledge? If that were an issue here I would ask you what credentials you have to make all of these "all-knowing" posts and analysis.


Typical TL poster. Needs credentials to be able to accept analysis that actually makes sense. What does my credentials have to do with the fact that I'm right? The fact that he thought that Hive tech would've helped Idra shows that he doesn't understand the matchup.


Day9 also questioned the lack of Hive, guess his credentials are null and void while yours are just "right" right?

Look i see what you are trying to do, you are upset your favorite player lost and you want to enter into a pissing contest on Idras own fanpage for whatever reason, i am not biting and it is not fair to other Idra fans to read through this.

I simply explained why Idras supply got maxed faster than his opponents, i did that 100% correctly, i stand by that because anyone who has played this game knows it is the truth and cannot be used as a measure of skill.

I wont bother replying to you because this is Idras Fanpage, start a pissing contest with someone else but i wont be a part of it



Then enlighten me because I'm really not seeing it. What does the Hive DO to stop Voidrays?


Allows you to over kill on corruptors and make broods out of them after you wipe up his vr/collo, thus rendering stalkers loluseless. Get your facts straight--day9 was correct.



That makes no sense. He can overmake corrupters and then go hive and turn them into broods, he had 20+ corrupters and they got destroyed by voids. going broods earlier only would have been a faster loss. THERE IS A REASON BLIZZARD BUFFED FG IN 1.3. A couple fungals with corrupters would have destroyed those voidrays. Day9 was not exclusively wrong as it is not a bad idea to get hive early against voids but it would not have done anything in that situation. Imba map vs an imba strategy. You can disagree all you want. Blizzard changed it for a fucking reason. jesus.


Right, the nonexistant, dead voidrays will kill the broods. Yep.


I responded and than realized how pointless it was.
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CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
March 27 2011 21:05 GMT
#5740
On March 28 2011 06:02 Nukm_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 05:48 Aranaukin wrote:
People not to stop being so obsessed by those 2 letters. "Oh noez Idra didn't say gg he's bad mannered!" Why does joining the game mean you have to say gg? I wouldn't say gg if I didn't think it was good. You shouldn't be forced to show respect to someone just because you meet them in a tournament.


yeah, actually you should...
and it was more than just the missing gg, past smack talk, the pre match interviewand lobby chat.


No you shouldn't.
CrunCher=wc3 player with 1/14 the sc experience of IdrA.
IdrA has the right to not be an emotionless Korean robot who is perfect and GM all the time.
No, just no.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
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