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On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss  Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much?
Just to clarify,
Pros in BW are REQUIRED to say gg to surrender the game, or they are disqualified. "Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about..."
Thorzain, qxc, and goody played well. I can't say the same for Cruncher.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much?
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cruncher plays a straight up macro game against Idra, and is SO bad at it, that Idra is ahead by 60 food in 10 minutes, and STILL WINS. Explain how that makes any sense at all.
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No the fact is that Cruncher isn't good, while the others you mention actually are.
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Man I was rooting for IdrA but.. that smiley face lol
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On March 28 2011 04:19 MangoSluSH wrote:
Man I was rooting for IdrA but.. that smiley face lol
You'd smile too if you just stole a win that you didn't deserve.
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On March 28 2011 04:19 JinNJuice wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cruncher plays a straight up macro game against Idra, and is SO bad at it, that Idra is ahead by 60 food in 10 minutes, and STILL WINS. Explain how that makes any sense at all.
Makes perfect sense, Idra had more than 75 drones, which are 50 minerals each, Zerg units in general are cheaper than Protoss units, especially when Cruncher was making Colossi and Void Rays.
Its much easier getting to max as Zerg with cheap units than Protoss when you are making such expensive ones. If you load the game up and just make workers + roaches + lings and a few Corruptors you will hit max ahead of even the best Terran or Protoss players
That makes perfect sense
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I mean, IdrA was amazing in G2 but in G3 he sees like 6 sentries when he popped up the ramp, knew the push waas coming when he lost his initial zerglings, but then makes 6 drones? that just doesnt work. also the forcefields were just undeniably mean.
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On March 28 2011 04:19 TUski wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much? Just to clarify, Pros in BW are REQUIRED to say gg to surrender the game, or they are disqualified. "Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about..." Thorzain, qxc, and goody played well. I can't say the same for Cruncher.
Lol where did you get that information from? That is completely wrong... lol. So everyone that won played well except Cruncher... That doesn't make any sense at all lol. IdrA is a good player and wouldn't lose to someone who doesn't play well, I really don't understand how you are making your judgements. If there is a strategy that is really strong in a particular MU then why not use it... That's like not making units to counter the composition of your opponent, doesn't make sense.
On March 28 2011 04:19 JinNJuice wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cruncher plays a straight up macro game against Idra, and is SO bad at it, that Idra is ahead by 60 food in 10 minutes, and STILL WINS. Explain how that makes any sense at all.
FYI, he lost that game. If IdrA can't prepare for timing pushes then that is his fault. He played greedily and wanted to maximize his drone output when he was not sure what his opponent was doing. He could have easily made 1 extra round of lings/ roaches and been fine (or at least in a better position that he was).
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On March 28 2011 04:18 Mereel wrote:
idra is still so much better.....im sad they did not play 1.3
Totally agree about 1.3! Would have loved to see those new infestors, at least in the first game.
A combination of his infinite-drops and clutch fungal growth is a really scary thought.
I'm sure he will do well in the incoming MLG Dallas ^^.
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On March 28 2011 04:23 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:19 JinNJuice wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cruncher plays a straight up macro game against Idra, and is SO bad at it, that Idra is ahead by 60 food in 10 minutes, and STILL WINS. Explain how that makes any sense at all. Makes perfect sense, Idra had more than 75 drones, which are 50 minerals each, Zerg units in general are cheaper than Protoss units, especially when Cruncher was making Colossi and Void Rays. Its much easier getting to max as Zerg with cheap units than Protoss when you are making such expensive ones. If you load the game up and just make workers + roaches + lings and a few Corruptors you will hit max ahead of even the best Terran or Protoss players That makes perfect sense
Cruncher plays a straight up macro game and is at 100 food by 10 minutes and that isn't bad? How can you even defend the fact that his macro mechanics are subpar.
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On March 28 2011 04:23 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:19 JinNJuice wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cruncher plays a straight up macro game against Idra, and is SO bad at it, that Idra is ahead by 60 food in 10 minutes, and STILL WINS. Explain how that makes any sense at all. Makes perfect sense, Idra had more than 75 drones, which are 50 minerals each, Zerg units in general are cheaper than Protoss units, especially when Cruncher was making Colossi and Void Rays. Its much easier getting to max as Zerg with cheap units than Protoss when you are making such expensive ones. If you load the game up and just make workers + roaches + lings and a few Corruptors you will hit max ahead of even the best Terran or Protoss players That makes perfect sense
Yeah, a good Zerg can max in 13 minutes. It takes Protoss and Terran 16-17 minutes to hit 200.
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On March 28 2011 04:25 JinNJuice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:23 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 04:19 JinNJuice wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cruncher plays a straight up macro game against Idra, and is SO bad at it, that Idra is ahead by 60 food in 10 minutes, and STILL WINS. Explain how that makes any sense at all. Makes perfect sense, Idra had more than 75 drones, which are 50 minerals each, Zerg units in general are cheaper than Protoss units, especially when Cruncher was making Colossi and Void Rays. Its much easier getting to max as Zerg with cheap units than Protoss when you are making such expensive ones. If you load the game up and just make workers + roaches + lings and a few Corruptors you will hit max ahead of even the best Terran or Protoss players That makes perfect sense Cruncher plays a straight up macro game and is at 100 food by 10 minutes and that isn't bad? How can you even defend the fact that his macro mechanics are subpar.
Notice the units he was making, he made a few Phoenix and Void Rays early on in the game, then he switched tech, got upgrades and went for a few Colossi. Those are very expensive units to get
Idra had the entire map, too many Drones and his own units were simply not the best.
Why is it a surprise that a top of the line Toss army beat a weak Zerg army becuase he did not get Hive?
Its very easy to get above 100 as Protoss....if you just make Gateway units and Probes, thats the entire point, he did not do that, he teched and won by it. Idra did not tech and lost
A MM Terran will max out alot faster than a Mech Terran, that dosent prove anything, the whole "omg he had more supply he was better!" proves nothing, especially when one guy was making the most expensive units in the game with massive build times vs a cheap roach+ling+corruptor army
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Game 1 could be argued as more of a PvZ balance issue
Game 3 was clearly a problem IdrA has discussed countless times: scouting.
By the time he figured out what Cruncher was doing he was dead. Did anyone notice that OL speed kicked in just as Cruncher had his pylon down and units wraping in? What good is speed when the all-in is already happening?
It's probably the point I agree with the most: make OL speed a hatch tech upgrade and make scan less energy for terrans. Make scouting easier to weaken all-ins. I'm tired of watching players (No, not just IdrA) who are just betterthan the people they're playing lose to these kind of shotty plays.
It's silly and it does nothing to vitalize e-sports.
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Game 3 would not have occurred if it was 1.3
Mix some infestors in that army and IdrA would've roflstomped the colossi/vr/stalker army.
Though I guess Cruncher may not have went for the same composition.
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On March 28 2011 04:27 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:25 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:23 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 04:19 JinNJuice wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cruncher plays a straight up macro game against Idra, and is SO bad at it, that Idra is ahead by 60 food in 10 minutes, and STILL WINS. Explain how that makes any sense at all. Makes perfect sense, Idra had more than 75 drones, which are 50 minerals each, Zerg units in general are cheaper than Protoss units, especially when Cruncher was making Colossi and Void Rays. Its much easier getting to max as Zerg with cheap units than Protoss when you are making such expensive ones. If you load the game up and just make workers + roaches + lings and a few Corruptors you will hit max ahead of even the best Terran or Protoss players That makes perfect sense Cruncher plays a straight up macro game and is at 100 food by 10 minutes and that isn't bad? How can you even defend the fact that his macro mechanics are subpar. Notice the units he was making, he made a few Phoenix and Void Rays early on in the game, then he switched tech, got upgrades and went for a few Stalkers. Those are very expensive units to get Idra had the entire map, too many Drones and his own units were simply not the best. Why is it a surprise that a top of the line Toss army beat a weak Zerg army becuase he did not get Hive? Its very easy to get above 100 as Protoss....if you just make Gateway units and Probes, thats the entire point, he did not do that, he teched and won by it. Idra did not tech and lost
I don't think you actually understand the PvZ matchup. How does hive tech help Idra at all against Colossus/VR/Stalker? It's the same problem that Idra talks about all the time. Air tech forces Zerg to go hydra, Protoss masses colossus to counter, Zerg tries to get corruptors to beat it but then it can't support the right ground army to beat the mass of stalkers/VRs. Throw in a few sentries and it makes all the hydras useless in a fight while the colossus can rain hell on them. Broodlords melt to voidrays, and if he even tried to tech to hive, his army comp would've been WEAKER than it was without it.
On March 28 2011 04:28 ratMortar wrote:
Game 1 could be argued as more of a PvZ balance issue
Game 3 was clearly a problem IdrA has discussed countless times: scouting.
By the time he figured out what Cruncher was doing he was dead. Did anyone notice that OL speed kicked in just as Cruncher had his pylon down and units wraping in? What good is speed when the all-in is already happening?
It's probably the point I agree with the most: make OL speed a hatch tech upgrade and make scan less energy for terrans. Make scouting easier to weaken all-ins. I'm tired of watching players (No, not just IdrA) who are just betterthan the people they're playing lose to these kind of shotty plays.
It's silly and it does nothing to vitalize e-sports.
Also, he was forced to go OL speed to TRY to scout. He tried to get 2-3 OL's in Crunchers base, was denied everytime.
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On March 28 2011 04:19 Deskaru wrote:
No the fact is that Cruncher isn't good, while the others you mention actually are.
Lol, how can you even sit there with a straight face and say that Cruncher is not good... Have you looked at his tournament results? How did he even qualify if he is not good? He beat QXC, NaNiwa and Fenix to get into this TSL3. Not to mention his other tournament results, he consistently beats top tier foreign players, and as we have seen so far, they are jsut as good as the Koreans.
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On March 28 2011 04:27 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:25 JinNJuice wrote:On March 28 2011 04:23 Tyree wrote:On March 28 2011 04:19 JinNJuice wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 04:17 GreEny K wrote:On March 28 2011 04:11 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 04:08 WeedRa wrote:For not saying "gg" I think you deserve this loss Do you know what gg means? This drives me nuts. Good game means the game was good. Game 1 wasn't good it's the classic MAKE VRS MAKE COLUSSUS MAKE STALKERS PUUUUUSH. I'm sad Cruncher didn't say gg because I thought game 2 was a good game. Lol you obviously don't know what you're talking about... GG does mean good game, but people say it no matter what the outcome of a game is. You think that pros in BW think a proxy rush is a gg? No, but they say it anyway.Sack up, every other player GG's even if they lose, IdrA is just being a drama queen as usual. On March 28 2011 04:10 Xadar wrote:
just shows that in sc2 every semi pro can beat the best player in the game because this game is so volatile and mechanically easy. really undeserved win by cruncher Lol, so when cruncher beats IdrA it's just a fault in the game but when Thorzain, qxc and goody beat Fruitdealer, Genius and Nestea it's the fact that foreigners are just as good as Koreans? Wow, double standard much? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Cruncher plays a straight up macro game against Idra, and is SO bad at it, that Idra is ahead by 60 food in 10 minutes, and STILL WINS. Explain how that makes any sense at all. Makes perfect sense, Idra had more than 75 drones, which are 50 minerals each, Zerg units in general are cheaper than Protoss units, especially when Cruncher was making Colossi and Void Rays. Its much easier getting to max as Zerg with cheap units than Protoss when you are making such expensive ones. If you load the game up and just make workers + roaches + lings and a few Corruptors you will hit max ahead of even the best Terran or Protoss players That makes perfect sense Cruncher plays a straight up macro game and is at 100 food by 10 minutes and that isn't bad? How can you even defend the fact that his macro mechanics are subpar. Notice the units he was making, he made a few Phoenix and Void Rays early on in the game, then he switched tech, got upgrades and went for a few Colossi. Those are very expensive units to get Idra had the entire map, too many Drones and his own units were simply not the best. Why is it a surprise that a top of the line Toss army beat a weak Zerg army becuase he did not get Hive? Its very easy to get above 100 as Protoss....if you just make Gateway units and Probes, thats the entire point, he did not do that, he teched and won by it. Idra did not tech and lost
What unit composition should Idra have had to beat him in game 1 then?
Brood lords and Ultralisks counter Voidrays pretty hard.
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there is no point in gettting hive ffs, u get brood lords? lol void rays? they already crush corruptors, only thing i can think of is mutas but with high stalker count + void rays = gg too.
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Good games in the TSL, unlucky !
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