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Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
March 03 2011 13:33 GMT
#4861
I hope so

I feel sad everytime he doesn't win one of these smaller tournaments.

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
Weken
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom580 Posts
March 03 2011 19:28 GMT
#4862
I really like Idra and all, but i think that his attitude sometimes is a immature. Hes a really good player and i think that while he has a right to comment on ballence e.t.c, arguing and making the blunt comments mabye isnt the best way to show your opinion. Yes, he may be right but the way he goes about saying what he has to say is really immautre sometimes. If you dont like something then its fine to make a resonded argument, whilst Idra would have a reson for what he thinks and it is normally justified, his attitude means that he simply makes childish comments and if he wasn't Idea im pretty sure he would be long gone.

However i still think that he is a really good asset to the TL community because he is a good player who can add valid strategies and feedback in the forums. Also it is sometimes very amusing to read his comments, yes, if TL was full of Idras then it would be a mad house. But because he is the one and the only Idra, I don't want him to change.

Yes, he is a childish sometimes, but i just love it. No idea why i do, if he was a random poster i would think he is an immature child. But hes not a random poster. He is Idra, please dont take him away, there will never be anyone the same again.
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
March 03 2011 19:37 GMT
#4863
On March 03 2011 20:35 ABOOMAN wrote:
last game was pretty much a close spawn and BO loss, not much to do there

However he could have won the whole series if he practiced more against this 1stargate + gate's all-in.

the hydras are just not that good of a response, i feel its just a way better to have 1 spore/spine (espessialy on LT you can put it on the highground), and just defend with roaches and 3-4-5 queens


Hydras are just terrible against mix of voids and gateway units when toss is going allin


What idra should do is just a get very good and dedicated P practice partner and just tell him to mix alot of pure allins and allins with fake expo with different unit compositions. Since his mid late game is already solid.

It wasn't a stargate all in, squirtle simply moved out of his base (with expansion) and Idra had way too many drones/went for a super fast third, got too greedy and died.
I could spend a while with that smile
Torrentsvensk
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden19 Posts
March 03 2011 19:40 GMT
#4864
On March 04 2011 04:28 Weken wrote:
Yes, he is a childish sometimes, but i just love it. No idea why i do, if he was a random poster i would think he is an immature child. But hes not a random poster. He is Idra, please dont take him away, there will never be anyone the same again.


who is going to take him away, is he permed or something?
i mad, u mad, we mad
aliciakeyzz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States26 Posts
March 03 2011 19:59 GMT
#4865
Why did Idra loose? The answer is always the same... got too greedy and died.
no one no one no oooooone can get in the way of what i feel for you
Astans
Profile Joined October 2010
205 Posts
March 03 2011 22:23 GMT
#4866
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 07:17:10
March 04 2011 07:16 GMT
#4867
He simply knows when he is behind so much that he can not possibly win. In the game vs. Jinro (I think you refer to the GSL match in which Jinro bunker rushed him?) IdrA had to assume that Jinro got an expo up in the time he himself got around to kick the bunkers. After that it would be close position 2 base terran vs. 1 base zerg... I think you can guess who would eventually win that.

In the game vs. the toss @IEM it would have been 3 base toss vs. 2 base zerg with the toss already ahead bc of the early roach attack. Even if IdrA would have retreated and not attacked, what would have been the point? The toss would get up the third, wait for 2,3 more colossi, a bit of groundforce and then a-click-win-lol into IdrA's main. No way he could get up a 3rd and 4th base quickly enough to survive sacrificing his main + natural.

At least that is how I saw those games. Though I have to admit after seeing some replays of Squirtle he maybe could have tried to bet on an horrible error of him, since he played quite sloppy in some of the earlier games. Though maybe that was exactly what that fight was, maybe he hoped for Squirtle to misplace the FF's or something and so be able to deny the third going up...

We will never know, unless somebody asks him.
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
March 04 2011 08:22 GMT
#4868
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.


Playing in a disadvantageous situation is not fun and you don't learn anything whether you win or lose at that point.
At least you won't learn anything a player like idra doesn't already know.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Weken
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom580 Posts
March 04 2011 16:00 GMT
#4869
On March 04 2011 04:40 Torrentsvensk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 04:28 Weken wrote:
Yes, he is a childish sometimes, but i just love it. No idea why i do, if he was a random poster i would think he is an immature child. But hes not a random poster. He is Idra, please dont take him away, there will never be anyone the same again.


who is going to take him away, is he permed or something?


Not yet...

IdrA was just temp banned for 30 days by Liquid`Nazgul.

That account was created on 2004-07-31 20:59:50 and had 10955 posts.

Reason:

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Manifesto7 for his intelligence and integrity
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Please stop insulting the staff that makes this site and scene what it is. These people have put in thousands of voluntary hours so that you can have the job that you want and you do nothing but shit on them.

At some point it's going to be a perm ban if you're not willing to change this.
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 16:32:32
March 04 2011 16:31 GMT
#4870
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.

The game HuK was in wasn't nearly as hopeless, because it was PvZ. Balance issues aside, the Protoss can turtle almost indefinitely, as they can field armies that end up trading units extremely efficiently.

You don't see similar comeback games from the Zerg side, because when they're looking like in trouble, people just walk in their main and they die.

I'd be less concerned with his attitude, and more worried about what loses him more games, which often is his inability to think / react on the fly. Though that's probably something that'll never change, so hopefully he just gets the practice partners he needs to figure every situation out.
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
March 04 2011 18:33 GMT
#4871
On March 05 2011 01:31 cordlc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.

The game HuK was in wasn't nearly as hopeless, because it was PvZ. Balance issues aside, the Protoss can turtle almost indefinitely, as they can field armies that end up trading units extremely efficiently.

You don't see similar comeback games from the Zerg side, because when they're looking like in trouble, people just walk in their main and they die.

I'd be less concerned with his attitude, and more worried about what loses him more games, which often is his inability to think / react on the fly. Though that's probably something that'll never change, so hopefully he just gets the practice partners he needs to figure every situation out.


Did you just say IdrA doesn't have the ability to think and react fast enough?

I'm sure you meant something else, because IdrA has insanely good decision making.

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 19:31:27
March 04 2011 19:31 GMT
#4872
On March 05 2011 03:33 Tschis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2011 01:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.

The game HuK was in wasn't nearly as hopeless, because it was PvZ. Balance issues aside, the Protoss can turtle almost indefinitely, as they can field armies that end up trading units extremely efficiently.

You don't see similar comeback games from the Zerg side, because when they're looking like in trouble, people just walk in their main and they die.

I'd be less concerned with his attitude, and more worried about what loses him more games, which often is his inability to think / react on the fly. Though that's probably something that'll never change, so hopefully he just gets the practice partners he needs to figure every situation out.


Did you just say IdrA doesn't have the ability to think and react fast enough?

I'm sure you meant something else, because IdrA has insanely good decision making.

//tx

I'm referring to him thinking up solutions to stuff he's never seen before / practiced against (in a game, or even a series). Obviously this is tough for most players, but it seems to be more pronounced in Idra's case.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
March 04 2011 22:32 GMT
#4873
On March 05 2011 04:31 cordlc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2011 03:33 Tschis wrote:
On March 05 2011 01:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.

The game HuK was in wasn't nearly as hopeless, because it was PvZ. Balance issues aside, the Protoss can turtle almost indefinitely, as they can field armies that end up trading units extremely efficiently.

You don't see similar comeback games from the Zerg side, because when they're looking like in trouble, people just walk in their main and they die.

I'd be less concerned with his attitude, and more worried about what loses him more games, which often is his inability to think / react on the fly. Though that's probably something that'll never change, so hopefully he just gets the practice partners he needs to figure every situation out.


Did you just say IdrA doesn't have the ability to think and react fast enough?

I'm sure you meant something else, because IdrA has insanely good decision making.

//tx

I'm referring to him thinking up solutions to stuff he's never seen before / practiced against (in a game, or even a series). Obviously this is tough for most players, but it seems to be more pronounced in Idra's case.


One of a billion common misconceptions out there about people thinking he's a robot. I immediately thought of an example of him thinking on his toes which resulted in him winning a game. Back in the GSL Season 1, maybe 2, he got quick BC rushed. He'd never had it happen before, and he said in the interview on the spot he found out he could kite battlecruisers with queens on creep.

People see him use a relatively similar strategy (even if he changes his timings up a loooot, not that most people notice...) most games and think he can't adapt or something. It's just the same type of thing that has been said incorrectly about him for ages.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
March 05 2011 01:34 GMT
#4874
On March 05 2011 07:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2011 04:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 05 2011 03:33 Tschis wrote:
On March 05 2011 01:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.

The game HuK was in wasn't nearly as hopeless, because it was PvZ. Balance issues aside, the Protoss can turtle almost indefinitely, as they can field armies that end up trading units extremely efficiently.

You don't see similar comeback games from the Zerg side, because when they're looking like in trouble, people just walk in their main and they die.

I'd be less concerned with his attitude, and more worried about what loses him more games, which often is his inability to think / react on the fly. Though that's probably something that'll never change, so hopefully he just gets the practice partners he needs to figure every situation out.


Did you just say IdrA doesn't have the ability to think and react fast enough?

I'm sure you meant something else, because IdrA has insanely good decision making.

//tx

I'm referring to him thinking up solutions to stuff he's never seen before / practiced against (in a game, or even a series). Obviously this is tough for most players, but it seems to be more pronounced in Idra's case.


One of a billion common misconceptions out there about people thinking he's a robot. I immediately thought of an example of him thinking on his toes which resulted in him winning a game. Back in the GSL Season 1, maybe 2, he got quick BC rushed. He'd never had it happen before, and he said in the interview on the spot he found out he could kite battlecruisers with queens on creep.

People see him use a relatively similar strategy (even if he changes his timings up a loooot, not that most people notice...) most games and think he can't adapt or something. It's just the same type of thing that has been said incorrectly about him for ages.

He actually said in an interview that his biggest weakness is to react to something he has never seen before. He told that he was the complete opposite of TLO, who invents stuff on the fly. He is able to invent stuff himself (I believe the spine crawler push on Steppes of War was his idea), but not in a tournament.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
March 05 2011 04:05 GMT
#4875
On March 05 2011 10:34 kochujang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2011 07:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On March 05 2011 04:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 05 2011 03:33 Tschis wrote:
On March 05 2011 01:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.

The game HuK was in wasn't nearly as hopeless, because it was PvZ. Balance issues aside, the Protoss can turtle almost indefinitely, as they can field armies that end up trading units extremely efficiently.

You don't see similar comeback games from the Zerg side, because when they're looking like in trouble, people just walk in their main and they die.

I'd be less concerned with his attitude, and more worried about what loses him more games, which often is his inability to think / react on the fly. Though that's probably something that'll never change, so hopefully he just gets the practice partners he needs to figure every situation out.


Did you just say IdrA doesn't have the ability to think and react fast enough?

I'm sure you meant something else, because IdrA has insanely good decision making.

//tx

I'm referring to him thinking up solutions to stuff he's never seen before / practiced against (in a game, or even a series). Obviously this is tough for most players, but it seems to be more pronounced in Idra's case.


One of a billion common misconceptions out there about people thinking he's a robot. I immediately thought of an example of him thinking on his toes which resulted in him winning a game. Back in the GSL Season 1, maybe 2, he got quick BC rushed. He'd never had it happen before, and he said in the interview on the spot he found out he could kite battlecruisers with queens on creep.

People see him use a relatively similar strategy (even if he changes his timings up a loooot, not that most people notice...) most games and think he can't adapt or something. It's just the same type of thing that has been said incorrectly about him for ages.

He actually said in an interview that his biggest weakness is to react to something he has never seen before. He told that he was the complete opposite of TLO, who invents stuff on the fly. He is able to invent stuff himself (I believe the spine crawler push on Steppes of War was his idea), but not in a tournament.


Of course it's his biggest "weakness". If you play a lot and have good mechanics, that's the only weakness you realistically can have (outside of things like nerves or something). Reacting to new things is everybody's biggest challenge. That's applicable to everybody on the planet, people can be better at it than others, but the reason new timings, builds, etc.. are always springing is up is because they're always successful against people who haven't seen them, not just IdrA.

So yes, it is his biggest weakness. But that means next to nothing.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
eddytlaw
Profile Joined November 2010
United States102 Posts
March 05 2011 18:27 GMT
#4876
On March 05 2011 13:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2011 10:34 kochujang wrote:
On March 05 2011 07:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On March 05 2011 04:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 05 2011 03:33 Tschis wrote:
On March 05 2011 01:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.

The game HuK was in wasn't nearly as hopeless, because it was PvZ. Balance issues aside, the Protoss can turtle almost indefinitely, as they can field armies that end up trading units extremely efficiently.

You don't see similar comeback games from the Zerg side, because when they're looking like in trouble, people just walk in their main and they die.

I'd be less concerned with his attitude, and more worried about what loses him more games, which often is his inability to think / react on the fly. Though that's probably something that'll never change, so hopefully he just gets the practice partners he needs to figure every situation out.

...I CONCUR!!!

Did you just say IdrA doesn't have the ability to think and react fast enough?

I'm sure you meant something else, because IdrA has insanely good decision making.

//tx

I'm referring to him thinking up solutions to stuff he's never seen before / practiced against (in a game, or even a series). Obviously this is tough for most players, but it seems to be more pronounced in Idra's case.


One of a billion common misconceptions out there about people thinking he's a robot. I immediately thought of an example of him thinking on his toes which resulted in him winning a game. Back in the GSL Season 1, maybe 2, he got quick BC rushed. He'd never had it happen before, and he said in the interview on the spot he found out he could kite battlecruisers with queens on creep.

People see him use a relatively similar strategy (even if he changes his timings up a loooot, not that most people notice...) most games and think he can't adapt or something. It's just the same type of thing that has been said incorrectly about him for ages.

He actually said in an interview that his biggest weakness is to react to something he has never seen before. He told that he was the complete opposite of TLO, who invents stuff on the fly. He is able to invent stuff himself (I believe the spine crawler push on Steppes of War was his idea), but not in a tournament.


Of course it's his biggest "weakness". If you play a lot and have good mechanics, that's the only weakness you realistically can have (outside of things like nerves or something). Reacting to new things is everybody's biggest challenge. That's applicable to everybody on the planet, people can be better at it than others, but the reason new timings, builds, etc.. are always springing is up is because they're always successful against people who haven't seen them, not just IdrA.

So yes, it is his biggest weakness. But that means next to nothing.

I fantasized about this back in Chicago.
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
March 06 2011 11:21 GMT
#4877
On March 05 2011 13:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2011 10:34 kochujang wrote:
On March 05 2011 07:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On March 05 2011 04:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 05 2011 03:33 Tschis wrote:
On March 05 2011 01:31 cordlc wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:23 Astans wrote:
I think he has to work on his attitude when he is behind. To me it seems that in these situations he loses his cool and basically gives up. The attack today was hopeless and when Jinro proxied him a few weeks ago he gave up too.
We all know that comebacks do not happen often in SC 2 but they do happen. If HuK had Idras attitude he wouldn't have won his Code A first round. But the other guy screwed up and HuK salvaged an unwinnable game. It does happen, but it won't happen for Idra because he doesn't try.

The game HuK was in wasn't nearly as hopeless, because it was PvZ. Balance issues aside, the Protoss can turtle almost indefinitely, as they can field armies that end up trading units extremely efficiently.

You don't see similar comeback games from the Zerg side, because when they're looking like in trouble, people just walk in their main and they die.

I'd be less concerned with his attitude, and more worried about what loses him more games, which often is his inability to think / react on the fly. Though that's probably something that'll never change, so hopefully he just gets the practice partners he needs to figure every situation out.


Did you just say IdrA doesn't have the ability to think and react fast enough?

I'm sure you meant something else, because IdrA has insanely good decision making.

//tx

I'm referring to him thinking up solutions to stuff he's never seen before / practiced against (in a game, or even a series). Obviously this is tough for most players, but it seems to be more pronounced in Idra's case.


One of a billion common misconceptions out there about people thinking he's a robot. I immediately thought of an example of him thinking on his toes which resulted in him winning a game. Back in the GSL Season 1, maybe 2, he got quick BC rushed. He'd never had it happen before, and he said in the interview on the spot he found out he could kite battlecruisers with queens on creep.

People see him use a relatively similar strategy (even if he changes his timings up a loooot, not that most people notice...) most games and think he can't adapt or something. It's just the same type of thing that has been said incorrectly about him for ages.

He actually said in an interview that his biggest weakness is to react to something he has never seen before. He told that he was the complete opposite of TLO, who invents stuff on the fly. He is able to invent stuff himself (I believe the spine crawler push on Steppes of War was his idea), but not in a tournament.


Of course it's his biggest "weakness". If you play a lot and have good mechanics, that's the only weakness you realistically can have (outside of things like nerves or something). Reacting to new things is everybody's biggest challenge. That's applicable to everybody on the planet, people can be better at it than others, but the reason new timings, builds, etc.. are always springing is up is because they're always successful against people who haven't seen them, not just IdrA.

So yes, it is his biggest weakness. But that means next to nothing.

If that means next to nothing, then IdrA would not have mentioned it at all. He's not the guy to make superfluous remarks.
Axeinst
Profile Joined March 2011
Belize281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 09:59:38
March 07 2011 09:59 GMT
#4878
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5945574/idra_highfive/

Idra highfive video from metacafe, not sure if posted here already.
F3arless
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada45 Posts
March 07 2011 10:49 GMT
#4879
go watch greg kill his own comsat on korean sc1 showmatch, he can innovate hes just being modest
Cambam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 23:05:49
March 07 2011 23:00 GMT
#4880
The second coming approaches...

(Today or tomorrow, right?)

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm talking about him getting off his 30 day ban
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