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Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
July 07 2012 12:45 GMT
#47181

Idra just have such bad macro, 2500 and barely any spines, no chain fungals, super late hive, his zvp really is a flash in the pan.

He needs to get it together, shieses
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
July 07 2012 12:45 GMT
#47182
idra played this really bad imo hope he still makes it!
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Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
July 07 2012 12:49 GMT
#47183
Hm, both games looked like he had them in his hand, but didn't handle the crucial attacks very well. Oh well, crush the rest of the group Greg!
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 07 2012 12:51 GMT
#47184
On July 07 2012 21:45 Facultyadjutant wrote:

Idra just have such bad macro, 2500 and barely any spines, no chain fungals, super late hive, his zvp really is a flash in the pan.

He needs to get it together, shieses

His superlate Hive and tech was because he was agressive with rroach/ling in the second game, which was a bad decision yeah, and he could indeed have more spines, but his mechanics are pretty damn good. Besides, he was banking for Broodlords as well. It was just a silly decision to try to kill the 3rd when he was ahead, and he could just tech up and be happy

Fisrt game was the most stupid throw ever, he just suicided his entire army and overlords T_T
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
EthanKairos
Profile Joined June 2012
Philippines65 Posts
July 07 2012 12:52 GMT
#47185
TaKeTV is currently unwatchable for me, but these posts about IdrA losing are not making me happy
Now, I can change almost anything.
SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
July 07 2012 12:54 GMT
#47186
On July 07 2012 21:52 EthanKairos wrote:
TaKeTV is currently unwatchable for me, but these posts about IdrA losing are not making me happy


the games were pretty close mate, game 2 was more in hasu's side but its k bro.. hes still gdlk
kuz pro
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-07 12:56:22
July 07 2012 12:55 GMT
#47187
On July 07 2012 21:51 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 21:45 Facultyadjutant wrote:

Idra just have such bad macro, 2500 and barely any spines, no chain fungals, super late hive, his zvp really is a flash in the pan.

He needs to get it together, shieses

His superlate Hive and tech was because he was agressive with rroach/ling in the second game, which was a bad decision yeah, and he could indeed have more spines, but his mechanics are pretty damn good. Besides, he was banking for Broodlords as well. It was just a silly decision to try to kill the 3rd when he was ahead, and he could just tech up and be happy

Fisrt game was the most stupid throw ever, he just suicided his entire army and overlords T_T


He could have killed third, and have more spines - no excuse, he even says himself that he needs more spines. His hive and spire was late both games, even if he was to pile on the agression. I am agressive about this, because it costs him every zvp game and is what makes it impossible for him to win over top tier protosses.


His mechanics aren´t really anything to brag about, he is floating money and making macro mistakes, if hasuobs had gone super agressive for idras third, he would have lost the game as idra was supply blocked for a super long time (Even in regard to overlords being killed by voidrays)


Idra is playing terrible, and sadly won´t pass trough this groupstage.

UNLESS he gets his shit together, which we all hope he does.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 07 2012 12:57 GMT
#47188
even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice

even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea

when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 07 2012 13:01 GMT
#47189
On July 07 2012 21:55 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 21:51 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 21:45 Facultyadjutant wrote:

Idra just have such bad macro, 2500 and barely any spines, no chain fungals, super late hive, his zvp really is a flash in the pan.

He needs to get it together, shieses

His superlate Hive and tech was because he was agressive with rroach/ling in the second game, which was a bad decision yeah, and he could indeed have more spines, but his mechanics are pretty damn good. Besides, he was banking for Broodlords as well. It was just a silly decision to try to kill the 3rd when he was ahead, and he could just tech up and be happy

Fisrt game was the most stupid throw ever, he just suicided his entire army and overlords T_T


He could have killed third, and have more spines - no excuse, he even says himself that he needs more spines. His hive and spire was late both games, even if he was to pile on the agression. I am agressive about this, because it costs him every zvp game and is what makes it impossible for him to win over top tier protosses.


His mechanics aren´t really anything to brag about, he is floating money and making macro mistakes, if hasuobs had gone super agressive for idras third, he would have lost the game as idra was supply blocked for a super long time (Even in regard to overlords being killed by voidrays)


Idra is playing terrible, and sadly won´t pass trough this groupstage.

UNLESS he gets his shit together, which we all hope he does.

Nah, I think that was played just as good as yeasterday, and yesterday he played rather good. Yes, Idra did bad decisions with attacking the rocks and waiting, but the agressiveness really slows down your tech time. I don't think low spine amount is because of bad macro per se, just that Idra forgot/neglected them. I would think Idra could've held the 3rd if Hasu decided to go agressive with taht warp prism and voidray all in, but I didn't follow all that much in the early game so Ican't really comment that much on it

I still think he can take Happy, and then he only has Sleep to worry about. Sleep would be hard, but I dunno, maybe he has a chance
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 07 2012 13:03 GMT
#47190
On July 07 2012 21:57 Forikorder wrote:
even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice

even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea

when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won

'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 07 2012 13:05 GMT
#47191
On July 07 2012 22:03 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 21:57 Forikorder wrote:
even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice

even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea

when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won

'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think

not waht lost him the game but was what made the game unwinnable, i dont think he would ahve ever scouted it and even if he did, what does he do? drop a couple roachs at it? he just warps in some stuff and kill them, he cant commit any actual force there cause then Hasu jsut sends his army and kills him
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 07 2012 13:09 GMT
#47192
On July 07 2012 22:05 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 22:03 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 21:57 Forikorder wrote:
even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice

even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea

when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won

'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think

not waht lost him the game but was what made the game unwinnable, i dont think he would ahve ever scouted it and even if he did, what does he do? drop a couple roachs at it? he just warps in some stuff and kill them, he cant commit any actual force there cause then Hasu jsut sends his army and kills him

I think you're wrong though, if Idra had done the agressive roach/ling attack right that base would've been completely irrelevant because thenIdra could just tech up to Broods and win later on because Hasu wuldn't have any army or eco to do anything about it, and if Idra would not have done the agression at all, he would've gone up to Brood infestor on 5 bases, and then the island base would still be just a small portion of Hasu's actual eco. Of course, the extra 2 gasses would be nice I guerss, but to say it is unwinnable because of it seems wrong to me
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 07 2012 13:11 GMT
#47193
On July 07 2012 22:09 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 22:05 Forikorder wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:03 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 21:57 Forikorder wrote:
even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice

even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea

when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won

'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think

not waht lost him the game but was what made the game unwinnable, i dont think he would ahve ever scouted it and even if he did, what does he do? drop a couple roachs at it? he just warps in some stuff and kill them, he cant commit any actual force there cause then Hasu jsut sends his army and kills him

I think you're wrong though, if Idra had done the agressive roach/ling attack right that base would've been completely irrelevant because thenIdra could just tech up to Broods and win later on because Hasu wuldn't have any army or eco to do anything about it, and if Idra would not have done the agression at all, he would've gone up to Brood infestor on 5 bases, and then the island base would still be just a small portion of Hasu's actual eco. Of course, the extra 2 gasses would be nice I guerss, but to say it is unwinnable because of it seems wrong to me

Hasus army was untouchable with roach ling, he might have killed the third but asu was keeping his army right next to the ramp he wasnt going to get his army surrounded and killed so his push still happens and it still hits beforeBL and it still does a ton of damage and he still gets the island up before IdrA could possibly counter so Hasu gets 4 untouchable bases
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
July 07 2012 13:13 GMT
#47194
On July 07 2012 22:01 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 21:55 Facultyadjutant wrote:
On July 07 2012 21:51 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 21:45 Facultyadjutant wrote:

Idra just have such bad macro, 2500 and barely any spines, no chain fungals, super late hive, his zvp really is a flash in the pan.

He needs to get it together, shieses

His superlate Hive and tech was because he was agressive with rroach/ling in the second game, which was a bad decision yeah, and he could indeed have more spines, but his mechanics are pretty damn good. Besides, he was banking for Broodlords as well. It was just a silly decision to try to kill the 3rd when he was ahead, and he could just tech up and be happy

Fisrt game was the most stupid throw ever, he just suicided his entire army and overlords T_T


He could have killed third, and have more spines - no excuse, he even says himself that he needs more spines. His hive and spire was late both games, even if he was to pile on the agression. I am agressive about this, because it costs him every zvp game and is what makes it impossible for him to win over top tier protosses.


His mechanics aren´t really anything to brag about, he is floating money and making macro mistakes, if hasuobs had gone super agressive for idras third, he would have lost the game as idra was supply blocked for a super long time (Even in regard to overlords being killed by voidrays)


Idra is playing terrible, and sadly won´t pass trough this groupstage.

UNLESS he gets his shit together, which we all hope he does.

Nah, I think that was played just as good as yeasterday, and yesterday he played rather good. Yes, Idra did bad decisions with attacking the rocks and waiting, but the agressiveness really slows down your tech time. I don't think low spine amount is because of bad macro per se, just that Idra forgot/neglected them. I would think Idra could've held the 3rd if Hasu decided to go agressive with taht warp prism and voidray all in, but I didn't follow all that much in the early game so Ican't really comment that much on it

I still think he can take Happy, and then he only has Sleep to worry about. Sleep would be hard, but I dunno, maybe he has a chance


Ye it slows tech down, the problem is that: Idra does the right things, except 2 minutes later. Everything he does in zvp is later than the other best zvp´rs.

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Zythus
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland184 Posts
July 07 2012 13:14 GMT
#47195
Shame he lost Hope, he can take 2:0 Sleep and Happy. If he does, he'll advance easily. But it's a tough spot to be on. I don't think Greg thought that he'll lose series to HasuObs, when he was choosing group yesterday (today night).
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 07 2012 13:18 GMT
#47196
On July 07 2012 22:11 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 22:09 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:05 Forikorder wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:03 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 21:57 Forikorder wrote:
even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice

even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea

when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won

'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think

not waht lost him the game but was what made the game unwinnable, i dont think he would ahve ever scouted it and even if he did, what does he do? drop a couple roachs at it? he just warps in some stuff and kill them, he cant commit any actual force there cause then Hasu jsut sends his army and kills him

I think you're wrong though, if Idra had done the agressive roach/ling attack right that base would've been completely irrelevant because thenIdra could just tech up to Broods and win later on because Hasu wuldn't have any army or eco to do anything about it, and if Idra would not have done the agression at all, he would've gone up to Brood infestor on 5 bases, and then the island base would still be just a small portion of Hasu's actual eco. Of course, the extra 2 gasses would be nice I guerss, but to say it is unwinnable because of it seems wrong to me

Hasus army was untouchable with roach ling, he might have killed the third but asu was keeping his army right next to the ramp he wasnt going to get his army surrounded and killed so his push still happens and it still hits beforeBL and it still does a ton of damage and he still gets the island up before IdrA could possibly counter so Hasu gets 4 untouchable bases

It was untouchable when he got he collossus, before that it was kind of weak. Idra could easily just go down, and have a few roaches attacking the nexus so Hasu would be forced away from the ramp, Idra wouldn't be FORCED to attack Hasu's army. So then Idra surrounds and kills it. If Hasu does not attack, he loses the nexus for free, loses his 3rd for free, Idra is maxed on roach ling and can easily kill some of his own units to get infestors and then he is completely safe from any 2 base push Hasu might've done, especially with the help of the spines. Besides, the push wouldn't be nearly as strong as it was, because Hasu would have only 2 full mining bases, and perhaps the island would count or 1/3
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 07 2012 13:21 GMT
#47197
On July 07 2012 22:18 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 22:11 Forikorder wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:09 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:05 Forikorder wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:03 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 21:57 Forikorder wrote:
even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice

even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea

when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won

'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think

not waht lost him the game but was what made the game unwinnable, i dont think he would ahve ever scouted it and even if he did, what does he do? drop a couple roachs at it? he just warps in some stuff and kill them, he cant commit any actual force there cause then Hasu jsut sends his army and kills him

I think you're wrong though, if Idra had done the agressive roach/ling attack right that base would've been completely irrelevant because thenIdra could just tech up to Broods and win later on because Hasu wuldn't have any army or eco to do anything about it, and if Idra would not have done the agression at all, he would've gone up to Brood infestor on 5 bases, and then the island base would still be just a small portion of Hasu's actual eco. Of course, the extra 2 gasses would be nice I guerss, but to say it is unwinnable because of it seems wrong to me

Hasus army was untouchable with roach ling, he might have killed the third but asu was keeping his army right next to the ramp he wasnt going to get his army surrounded and killed so his push still happens and it still hits beforeBL and it still does a ton of damage and he still gets the island up before IdrA could possibly counter so Hasu gets 4 untouchable bases

It was untouchable when he got he collossus, before that it was kind of weak. Idra could easily just go down, and have a few roaches attacking the nexus so Hasu would be forced away from the ramp, Idra wouldn't be FORCED to attack Hasu's army. So then Idra surrounds and kills it. If Hasu does not attack, he loses the nexus for free, loses his 3rd for free, Idra is maxed on roach ling and can easily kill some of his own units to get infestors and then he is completely safe from any 2 base push Hasu might've done, especially with the help of the spines. Besides, the push wouldn't be nearly as strong as it was, because Hasu would have only 2 full mining bases, and perhaps the island would count or 1/3

hasu had 4 cannons, he could defend the base while still being in a position to fall back to the ramp Hasu had a good army with enough sentries and good forcefields to stop IdrA from doing damage
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 07 2012 13:26 GMT
#47198
On July 07 2012 22:21 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 22:18 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:11 Forikorder wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:09 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:05 Forikorder wrote:
On July 07 2012 22:03 Aocowns wrote:
On July 07 2012 21:57 Forikorder wrote:
even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice

even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea

when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won

'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think

not waht lost him the game but was what made the game unwinnable, i dont think he would ahve ever scouted it and even if he did, what does he do? drop a couple roachs at it? he just warps in some stuff and kill them, he cant commit any actual force there cause then Hasu jsut sends his army and kills him

I think you're wrong though, if Idra had done the agressive roach/ling attack right that base would've been completely irrelevant because thenIdra could just tech up to Broods and win later on because Hasu wuldn't have any army or eco to do anything about it, and if Idra would not have done the agression at all, he would've gone up to Brood infestor on 5 bases, and then the island base would still be just a small portion of Hasu's actual eco. Of course, the extra 2 gasses would be nice I guerss, but to say it is unwinnable because of it seems wrong to me

Hasus army was untouchable with roach ling, he might have killed the third but asu was keeping his army right next to the ramp he wasnt going to get his army surrounded and killed so his push still happens and it still hits beforeBL and it still does a ton of damage and he still gets the island up before IdrA could possibly counter so Hasu gets 4 untouchable bases

It was untouchable when he got he collossus, before that it was kind of weak. Idra could easily just go down, and have a few roaches attacking the nexus so Hasu would be forced away from the ramp, Idra wouldn't be FORCED to attack Hasu's army. So then Idra surrounds and kills it. If Hasu does not attack, he loses the nexus for free, loses his 3rd for free, Idra is maxed on roach ling and can easily kill some of his own units to get infestors and then he is completely safe from any 2 base push Hasu might've done, especially with the help of the spines. Besides, the push wouldn't be nearly as strong as it was, because Hasu would have only 2 full mining bases, and perhaps the island would count or 1/3

hasu had 4 cannons, he could defend the base while still being in a position to fall back to the ramp Hasu had a good army with enough sentries and good forcefields to stop IdrA from doing damage

No I think you're completely wrong, no way Hasu defends that base without leaving ramp, and 4 sentries is not enough to hold a maxed roach ling army, and besides, that would leave his forge wall off vulnerable so Idr awould attack there as well. Idra could have takedn taht down before collossus came out without too much trouble I think
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
July 07 2012 13:48 GMT
#47199
Does it really even matter, guys? We are all mad that he lost and we know there so much more that he could've done to avoid that, but running scenarios and "what if's" will not help.

Better luck next time, I say
Religion: Buckethead
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
July 07 2012 14:04 GMT
#47200
On July 07 2012 22:48 Incze wrote:
Does it really even matter, guys? We are all mad that he lost and we know there so much more that he could've done to avoid that, but running scenarios and "what if's" will not help.

Better luck next time, I say


I agree. Though I guess there's something to say for discussion on a discussion forum, but you guys who just come in here to rage "omg IdrA's this or that is so bad!!1oneoen" are a little sad.

We're still good, bring on the next 2 wins!
Change to MY nostalgia? UNACCEPTABLE! Monkey paaaw!
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