EPTIdra just have such bad macro, 2500 and barely any spines, no chain fungals, super late hive, his zvp really is a flash in the pan.
He needs to get it together, shieses
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
Idra just have such bad macro, 2500 and barely any spines, no chain fungals, super late hive, his zvp really is a flash in the pan. He needs to get it together, shieses | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On July 07 2012 21:45 Facultyadjutant wrote: Idra just have such bad macro, 2500 and barely any spines, no chain fungals, super late hive, his zvp really is a flash in the pan. He needs to get it together, shieses His superlate Hive and tech was because he was agressive with rroach/ling in the second game, which was a bad decision yeah, and he could indeed have more spines, but his mechanics are pretty damn good. Besides, he was banking for Broodlords as well. It was just a silly decision to try to kill the 3rd when he was ahead, and he could just tech up and be happy Fisrt game was the most stupid throw ever, he just suicided his entire army and overlords T_T | ||
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EthanKairos
Philippines65 Posts
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SpaceFighting
New Zealand690 Posts
On July 07 2012 21:52 EthanKairos wrote: TaKeTV is currently unwatchable for me, but these posts about IdrA losing are not making me happy the games were pretty close mate, game 2 was more in hasu's side but its k bro.. hes still gdlk | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On July 07 2012 21:51 Aocowns wrote: His superlate Hive and tech was because he was agressive with rroach/ling in the second game, which was a bad decision yeah, and he could indeed have more spines, but his mechanics are pretty damn good. Besides, he was banking for Broodlords as well. It was just a silly decision to try to kill the 3rd when he was ahead, and he could just tech up and be happy Fisrt game was the most stupid throw ever, he just suicided his entire army and overlords T_T He could have killed third, and have more spines - no excuse, he even says himself that he needs more spines. His hive and spire was late both games, even if he was to pile on the agression. I am agressive about this, because it costs him every zvp game and is what makes it impossible for him to win over top tier protosses. His mechanics aren´t really anything to brag about, he is floating money and making macro mistakes, if hasuobs had gone super agressive for idras third, he would have lost the game as idra was supply blocked for a super long time (Even in regard to overlords being killed by voidrays) Idra is playing terrible, and sadly won´t pass trough this groupstage. UNLESS he gets his shit together, which we all hope he does. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On July 07 2012 21:55 Facultyadjutant wrote: He could have killed third, and have more spines - no excuse, he even says himself that he needs more spines. His hive and spire was late both games, even if he was to pile on the agression. I am agressive about this, because it costs him every zvp game and is what makes it impossible for him to win over top tier protosses. His mechanics aren´t really anything to brag about, he is floating money and making macro mistakes, if hasuobs had gone super agressive for idras third, he would have lost the game as idra was supply blocked for a super long time (Even in regard to overlords being killed by voidrays) Idra is playing terrible, and sadly won´t pass trough this groupstage. UNLESS he gets his shit together, which we all hope he does. Nah, I think that was played just as good as yeasterday, and yesterday he played rather good. Yes, Idra did bad decisions with attacking the rocks and waiting, but the agressiveness really slows down your tech time. I don't think low spine amount is because of bad macro per se, just that Idra forgot/neglected them. I would think Idra could've held the 3rd if Hasu decided to go agressive with taht warp prism and voidray all in, but I didn't follow all that much in the early game so Ican't really comment that much on it I still think he can take Happy, and then he only has Sleep to worry about. Sleep would be hard, but I dunno, maybe he has a chance | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On July 07 2012 21:57 Forikorder wrote: even if he killed the third, still puts hasu at 3 base since he took the island and IdrA didnt notice even if IdrA wont aht battle still puts hasu at 4 bases with IdrA having to idea when hasu took the island and IdrA didnt notice hasu already won 'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:03 Aocowns wrote: 'well the islan was barely mining at all, and it was certainly not the thing that made Idra lose the game I think not waht lost him the game but was what made the game unwinnable, i dont think he would ahve ever scouted it and even if he did, what does he do? drop a couple roachs at it? he just warps in some stuff and kill them, he cant commit any actual force there cause then Hasu jsut sends his army and kills him | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:05 Forikorder wrote: not waht lost him the game but was what made the game unwinnable, i dont think he would ahve ever scouted it and even if he did, what does he do? drop a couple roachs at it? he just warps in some stuff and kill them, he cant commit any actual force there cause then Hasu jsut sends his army and kills him I think you're wrong though, if Idra had done the agressive roach/ling attack right that base would've been completely irrelevant because thenIdra could just tech up to Broods and win later on because Hasu wuldn't have any army or eco to do anything about it, and if Idra would not have done the agression at all, he would've gone up to Brood infestor on 5 bases, and then the island base would still be just a small portion of Hasu's actual eco. Of course, the extra 2 gasses would be nice I guerss, but to say it is unwinnable because of it seems wrong to me | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:09 Aocowns wrote: I think you're wrong though, if Idra had done the agressive roach/ling attack right that base would've been completely irrelevant because thenIdra could just tech up to Broods and win later on because Hasu wuldn't have any army or eco to do anything about it, and if Idra would not have done the agression at all, he would've gone up to Brood infestor on 5 bases, and then the island base would still be just a small portion of Hasu's actual eco. Of course, the extra 2 gasses would be nice I guerss, but to say it is unwinnable because of it seems wrong to me Hasus army was untouchable with roach ling, he might have killed the third but asu was keeping his army right next to the ramp he wasnt going to get his army surrounded and killed so his push still happens and it still hits beforeBL and it still does a ton of damage and he still gets the island up before IdrA could possibly counter so Hasu gets 4 untouchable bases | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:01 Aocowns wrote: Nah, I think that was played just as good as yeasterday, and yesterday he played rather good. Yes, Idra did bad decisions with attacking the rocks and waiting, but the agressiveness really slows down your tech time. I don't think low spine amount is because of bad macro per se, just that Idra forgot/neglected them. I would think Idra could've held the 3rd if Hasu decided to go agressive with taht warp prism and voidray all in, but I didn't follow all that much in the early game so Ican't really comment that much on it I still think he can take Happy, and then he only has Sleep to worry about. Sleep would be hard, but I dunno, maybe he has a chance Ye it slows tech down, the problem is that: Idra does the right things, except 2 minutes later. Everything he does in zvp is later than the other best zvp´rs. | ||
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Zythus
Poland184 Posts
Hope, he can take 2:0 Sleep and Happy. If he does, he'll advance easily. But it's a tough spot to be on. I don't think Greg thought that he'll lose series to HasuObs, when he was choosing group yesterday (today night). | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:11 Forikorder wrote: Hasus army was untouchable with roach ling, he might have killed the third but asu was keeping his army right next to the ramp he wasnt going to get his army surrounded and killed so his push still happens and it still hits beforeBL and it still does a ton of damage and he still gets the island up before IdrA could possibly counter so Hasu gets 4 untouchable bases It was untouchable when he got he collossus, before that it was kind of weak. Idra could easily just go down, and have a few roaches attacking the nexus so Hasu would be forced away from the ramp, Idra wouldn't be FORCED to attack Hasu's army. So then Idra surrounds and kills it. If Hasu does not attack, he loses the nexus for free, loses his 3rd for free, Idra is maxed on roach ling and can easily kill some of his own units to get infestors and then he is completely safe from any 2 base push Hasu might've done, especially with the help of the spines. Besides, the push wouldn't be nearly as strong as it was, because Hasu would have only 2 full mining bases, and perhaps the island would count or 1/3 | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:18 Aocowns wrote: It was untouchable when he got he collossus, before that it was kind of weak. Idra could easily just go down, and have a few roaches attacking the nexus so Hasu would be forced away from the ramp, Idra wouldn't be FORCED to attack Hasu's army. So then Idra surrounds and kills it. If Hasu does not attack, he loses the nexus for free, loses his 3rd for free, Idra is maxed on roach ling and can easily kill some of his own units to get infestors and then he is completely safe from any 2 base push Hasu might've done, especially with the help of the spines. Besides, the push wouldn't be nearly as strong as it was, because Hasu would have only 2 full mining bases, and perhaps the island would count or 1/3 hasu had 4 cannons, he could defend the base while still being in a position to fall back to the ramp Hasu had a good army with enough sentries and good forcefields to stop IdrA from doing damage | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:21 Forikorder wrote: hasu had 4 cannons, he could defend the base while still being in a position to fall back to the ramp Hasu had a good army with enough sentries and good forcefields to stop IdrA from doing damage No I think you're completely wrong, no way Hasu defends that base without leaving ramp, and 4 sentries is not enough to hold a maxed roach ling army, and besides, that would leave his forge wall off vulnerable so Idr awould attack there as well. Idra could have takedn taht down before collossus came out without too much trouble I think | ||
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
Better luck next time, I say | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On July 07 2012 22:48 Incze wrote: Does it really even matter, guys? We are all mad that he lost and we know there so much more that he could've done to avoid that, but running scenarios and "what if's" will not help. Better luck next time, I say I agree. Though I guess there's something to say for discussion on a discussion forum, but you guys who just come in here to rage "omg IdrA's this or that is so bad!!1oneoen" are a little sad. We're still good, bring on the next 2 wins! | ||
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