On October 01 2011 03:26 Micket wrote: Looks like Idra was right about Protoss players doing dumb shit and not innovating. Now, Protoss players are doing really clever stuff, especially vs T, they are winning loads now. Also funny that incontrol pointed at the Protoss lack of all kills when in the past 2 days we have had a 3 kill and two 4 kills (which is usually a all kill in bo9).
Obviously, we cannot say Protoss is OP, but we can say they are doing better BECAUSE they aren't doing dumb stuff anymore. Protoss lack of usage of their buffed units reflect this (the double forge builds could have been pulled off way pre 1.4).
If Protoss manage to develop these styles further, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard will have to nerf them again. Patch was definitely too hasty.
dont paint the devil on the wall bro. But these days Zergs are kinda unmotivated after the infestor nerv, even if its only a range thing. Imo the most zergs didnt even use Neural and now i see Zergs on ladder just havin infestors on the field that dont cast anything and just die. But b4 i gett of the topic, i wanna agree with IdrA´s statement because im self Toss and i didnt realise the harass potential of my own race.
Yeah, those warp prisms are so freaking obnoxious o.o I still have bad memories... I move out with my army, happy cus I just killed most of his army. I am derping over the mid of the map, and there I see it. The Warp Prism. Its in my 4th. Now Its next to the ramp. A SENTRY! :O Forcefield! Warp in 6 zealots! T_T
On October 01 2011 02:26 VashTS wrote: IdrA doing any streaming or tournaments (streamed?) today? I have a day of downtime after my move, so I'd like to learn to play Zerg better.
He has the IEM China event tomorrow or today (timezones get me confused) I think.
On October 01 2011 02:26 VashTS wrote: IdrA doing any streaming or tournaments (streamed?) today? I have a day of downtime after my move, so I'd like to learn to play Zerg better.
He has the IEM China event tomorrow or today (timezones get me confused) I think.
On October 01 2011 03:26 Micket wrote: Looks like Idra was right about Protoss players doing dumb shit and not innovating. Now, Protoss players are doing really clever stuff, especially vs T, they are winning loads now. Also funny that incontrol pointed at the Protoss lack of all kills when in the past 2 days we have had a 3 kill and two 4 kills (which is usually a all kill in bo9).
Obviously, we cannot say Protoss is OP, but we can say they are doing better BECAUSE they aren't doing dumb stuff anymore. Protoss lack of usage of their buffed units reflect this (the double forge builds could have been pulled off way pre 1.4).
If Protoss manage to develop these styles further, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard will have to nerf them again. Patch was definitely too hasty.
dont paint the devil on the wall bro. But these days Zergs are kinda unmotivated after the infestor nerv, even if its only a range thing. Imo the most zergs didnt even use Neural and now i see Zergs on ladder just havin infestors on the field that dont cast anything and just die. But b4 i gett of the topic, i wanna agree with IdrA´s statement because im self Toss and i didnt realise the harass potential of my own race.
Yeah, those warp prisms are so freaking obnoxious o.o I still have bad memories... I move out with my army, happy cus I just killed most of his army. I am derping over the mid of the map, and there I see it. The Warp Prism. Its in my 4th. Now Its next to the ramp. A SENTRY! :O Forcefield! Warp in 6 zealots! T_T
I think what Zerg need is the good old luker to feel save again^^.
On October 01 2011 03:26 Micket wrote: Looks like Idra was right about Protoss players doing dumb shit and not innovating. Now, Protoss players are doing really clever stuff, especially vs T, they are winning loads now. Also funny that incontrol pointed at the Protoss lack of all kills when in the past 2 days we have had a 3 kill and two 4 kills (which is usually a all kill in bo9).
Obviously, we cannot say Protoss is OP, but we can say they are doing better BECAUSE they aren't doing dumb stuff anymore. Protoss lack of usage of their buffed units reflect this (the double forge builds could have been pulled off way pre 1.4).
If Protoss manage to develop these styles further, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard will have to nerf them again. Patch was definitely too hasty.
dont paint the devil on the wall bro. But these days Zergs are kinda unmotivated after the infestor nerv, even if its only a range thing. Imo the most zergs didnt even use Neural and now i see Zergs on ladder just havin infestors on the field that dont cast anything and just die. But b4 i gett of the topic, i wanna agree with IdrA´s statement because im self Toss and i didnt realise the harass potential of my own race.
Yeah, those warp prisms are so freaking obnoxious o.o I still have bad memories... I move out with my army, happy cus I just killed most of his army. I am derping over the mid of the map, and there I see it. The Warp Prism. Its in my 4th. Now Its next to the ramp. A SENTRY! :O Forcefield! Warp in 6 zealots! T_T
I think what Zerg need is the good old luker to feel save again^^.
On October 01 2011 03:26 Micket wrote: Looks like Idra was right about Protoss players doing dumb shit and not innovating. Now, Protoss players are doing really clever stuff, especially vs T, they are winning loads now. Also funny that incontrol pointed at the Protoss lack of all kills when in the past 2 days we have had a 3 kill and two 4 kills (which is usually a all kill in bo9).
Obviously, we cannot say Protoss is OP, but we can say they are doing better BECAUSE they aren't doing dumb stuff anymore. Protoss lack of usage of their buffed units reflect this (the double forge builds could have been pulled off way pre 1.4).
If Protoss manage to develop these styles further, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard will have to nerf them again. Patch was definitely too hasty.
dont paint the devil on the wall bro. But these days Zergs are kinda unmotivated after the infestor nerv, even if its only a range thing. Imo the most zergs didnt even use Neural and now i see Zergs on ladder just havin infestors on the field that dont cast anything and just die. But b4 i gett of the topic, i wanna agree with IdrA´s statement because im self Toss and i didnt realise the harass potential of my own race.
Yeah, those warp prisms are so freaking obnoxious o.o I still have bad memories... I move out with my army, happy cus I just killed most of his army. I am derping over the mid of the map, and there I see it. The Warp Prism. Its in my 4th. Now Its next to the ramp. A SENTRY! :O Forcefield! Warp in 6 zealots! T_T
I think what Zerg need is the good old luker to feel save again^^.
You mean burrowed banelings?
No the sc1 lurker. It was a tek route after the "hydralisk den" ( i hope i spelled that right) and you could morph hydras into lurkers to contain your opponent. In the case of protoss until the first observer was out(because guess what, they where burrowed). Back in the days Zergs only had to fear the shuttle or stargate...
I repeatedly try to ask this question to ITG and SOTG, but foreigner zergs DON'T use burrowed banes enough.
NesTea, DongRaeGu, and Leenock use them ALL THE TIME, and it has saved nestea's ass many times.
Examples NesTea vs sC -> NesTea would have been crushed on Crossfire if he didn't use bane mines to thin out the marine numbers so his muta could clean everything up.
NesTea vs IMHappy in the Ro32 -> Nestea was far behind, about to die from a large push, but Happy ran over 2 banes and lost about 25-30 marines, completely turning his death push around and allowed nestea to re-macro another army and survive.
I have not seen idra, ret, stephano, lalush, morrow, nerchio, slush, sheth or any foreigner zerg really use them regularly.
Foreigner terran don't even scan much when they move out because it's so rare.
On October 01 2011 05:28 SafeAsCheese wrote: I repeatedly try to ask this question to ITG and SOTG, but foreigner zergs DON'T use burrowed banes enough.
NesTea, DongRaeGu, and Leenock use them ALL THE TIME, and it has saved nestea's ass many times.
Examples NesTea vs sC -> NesTea would have been crushed on Crossfire if he didn't use bane mines to thin out the marine numbers so his muta could clean everything up.
NesTea vs IMHappy in the Ro32 -> Nestea was far behind, about to die from a large push, but Happy ran over 2 banes and lost about 25-30 marines, completely turning his death push around and allowed nestea to re-macro another army and survive.
I have not seen idra, ret, stephano, lalush, morrow, nerchio, slush, sheth or any foreigner zerg really use them regularly.
Foreigner terran don't even scan much when they move out because it's so rare.
sounds easier in theory. You have to place them well and actually a good creep spread has a negative impact on burrowed banelings because you have to burrow them outside of creep since nearly all good terrans scan to kill the creep. But apart from that it's really cost efficient and loosing 2-4 banes to a scan is tolerable. Gregs ZvT could be much better
On October 01 2011 04:38 StatikKhaos wrote: when is he gonna steam again...it makes me sad
He has a major tournament every weekend for the entire month of october. So I highly doubt he'll be streaming much at all until we're past this bit.
This being the case, I'm curious as to everyone's expectations of IdrA in what I'm going to go ahead and call 'The Month of Grack' since he is playing in every legitimate (non GSL) tournament this upcoming month. What are all of you expecting out of him performance wise?
Myself, I'd like to see a top 3 at IEM China, I feel like he has a good shot there since he got a good 'Korean' draw getting Jinro, but it also hinges on the assumption that Chinese players simply aren't as proficient at the game yet. At IPL3, I think to see IdrA place in the single digits would be huge, not only is it a huge player pool and there will be a lot of Koreans, but he will just have traveled halfway around the world and will likely be suffering some fatigue issues. For MLG, not gonna lie, I really want to see top 3 as well. He got a decent group, and depending on the player from the Open Bracket, if IdrA takes the series against Boxer, I don't see many scenarios in which he wouldn't win that group.
Let's go IdrA, if there was ever a time to lord your abilities on the rest of the world, it's now.
On October 01 2011 06:12 Mafs wrote: Not sure if people have seen this, but Idra has been doing some thing new in ZvT, not sure if it will work well or not but its good he is trying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0EaJ2c9xxk
omgomgomgomgomgomg PSY <3<3<3 He's my second biggest mancrush.
On October 01 2011 06:12 Mafs wrote: Not sure if people have seen this, but Idra has been doing some thing new in ZvT, not sure if it will work well or not but its good he is trying.
Its good to see that his baneling control is improving. Before he would crash them into the tanks far too often, also he is learning not to fight marines with mutas lol. Other then that, if he transitioned a little earlier, his zvt would improve even more. As far as the drop, it was a good idea and would have worked very well had demuslim not had his marines there already.
He didn't often hit banes into tanks because of miscontrol
When you charge a terran army, you sometimes hit a position where the marines are too far away from the banes and you know they will never hit before the remaining siege tanks pick them off, so it's not always super bad to use banes on tanks, as it makes it so terrans can't keep pushing (you need tanks at ALL TIMES if you move onto creep)
Banes are just so figured out now by terrans, it seems like mass ling/muta would be better against heavy tank play, just use the gas from the banes on faster upgrades (maybe 2-2 muta upgrades so your muta are more tanky?)
On October 01 2011 03:26 Micket wrote: Looks like Idra was right about Protoss players doing dumb shit and not innovating. Now, Protoss players are doing really clever stuff, especially vs T, they are winning loads now. Also funny that incontrol pointed at the Protoss lack of all kills when in the past 2 days we have had a 3 kill and two 4 kills (which is usually a all kill in bo9).
Obviously, we cannot say Protoss is OP, but we can say they are doing better BECAUSE they aren't doing dumb stuff anymore. Protoss lack of usage of their buffed units reflect this (the double forge builds could have been pulled off way pre 1.4).
If Protoss manage to develop these styles further, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard will have to nerf them again. Patch was definitely too hasty.
dont paint the devil on the wall bro. But these days Zergs are kinda unmotivated after the infestor nerv, even if its only a range thing. Imo the most zergs didnt even use Neural and now i see Zergs on ladder just havin infestors on the field that dont cast anything and just die. But b4 i gett of the topic, i wanna agree with IdrA´s statement because im self Toss and i didnt realise the harass potential of my own race.
Yeah, those warp prisms are so freaking obnoxious o.o I still have bad memories... I move out with my army, happy cus I just killed most of his army. I am derping over the mid of the map, and there I see it. The Warp Prism. Its in my 4th. Now Its next to the ramp. A SENTRY! :O Forcefield! Warp in 6 zealots! T_T
I think what Zerg need is the good old luker to feel save again^^.
You mean burrowed banelings?
The lurker and burrowed banelings dont fill the same roll, its stupid to argue that.
Yeah I really need to add burrow banes. I died yesterday after being WAY ahead cause I miscontrolled my banes into tanks and he retained most of his marines. Big mistake.. if i had some burrowed it may have help clear up the push.
On October 01 2011 03:26 Micket wrote: Looks like Idra was right about Protoss players doing dumb shit and not innovating. Now, Protoss players are doing really clever stuff, especially vs T, they are winning loads now. Also funny that incontrol pointed at the Protoss lack of all kills when in the past 2 days we have had a 3 kill and two 4 kills (which is usually a all kill in bo9).
Obviously, we cannot say Protoss is OP, but we can say they are doing better BECAUSE they aren't doing dumb stuff anymore. Protoss lack of usage of their buffed units reflect this (the double forge builds could have been pulled off way pre 1.4).
If Protoss manage to develop these styles further, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard will have to nerf them again. Patch was definitely too hasty.
dont paint the devil on the wall bro. But these days Zergs are kinda unmotivated after the infestor nerv, even if its only a range thing. Imo the most zergs didnt even use Neural and now i see Zergs on ladder just havin infestors on the field that dont cast anything and just die. But b4 i gett of the topic, i wanna agree with IdrA´s statement because im self Toss and i didnt realise the harass potential of my own race.
Yeah, those warp prisms are so freaking obnoxious o.o I still have bad memories... I move out with my army, happy cus I just killed most of his army. I am derping over the mid of the map, and there I see it. The Warp Prism. Its in my 4th. Now Its next to the ramp. A SENTRY! :O Forcefield! Warp in 6 zealots! T_T
I think what Zerg need is the good old luker to feel save again^^.
You mean burrowed banelings?
The lurker and burrowed banelings dont fill the same roll, its stupid to argue that.
But what i wouldn't give to get speed hydra + lurkers back... </3 omfg i want good zerglings... and lurkers.. ((((
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