The Liquid`TLO Fan Club - Page 6

On March 28 2010 05:48 LF9 wrote:
No. Just no. The fact that you even posted this shows how little you know about the game; the ONLY reason he was able to make half of these unorthodox strategies work is BECAUSE he went random. If he had chosen a race, his opponents would have been much more prepared and he wouldn't have been able to cheese every game. The game is new, people are still figuring it out, and he took advantage of that fact by going random and forcing the opponent to deal with yet ANOTHER unknown factor, and that is why he was able to get away with so much silliness.

On March 28 2010 06:05 LF9 wrote:
Regardless, I don't think any of the players he beat would exactly be considered "SC2 powerhouses". I would rather put them in the category of "top SC/WC players who happen to play SC2 and thus were invited to the tournament based on these two facts alone".

kthx

On March 28 2010 06:05 LF9 wrote:
It was an invite tournament, and invites were only sent out to relatively "known" players, not necessarily "the best" players. It's a known fact that random is an advantage, much moreso in BoX tournament settings than in random ladder player, where players use less specialized builds and play is less refined. The emphasis is on grinding and being consistent, hence why people who are laddering tend to focus on one race, yet random is still effective in tournaments. You may disagree with me, but apparently the organizers of the pro SC scene do agree with me, as random is obviously not allowed.

Regardless, I don't think any of the players he beat would exactly be considered "SC2 powerhouses". I would rather put them in the category of "top SC/WC players who happen to play SC2 and thus were invited to the tournament based on these two facts alone".

kthx

PS You can call it bullshit, but I've played in more RTS LAN events than there are years in my life and don't even try to tell me that random is some kind of handicap, ESPECIALLY in a game with only 3 races, ESPECIALLY in a beta where the entire game has yet to be explored and thus the possibilities are more numerous, ESPECIALLY when the player is relatively unknown to begin with and already has the factor of the unknown on his side, etc. . .

On March 28 2010 06:12 LF9 wrote:
It's not allowed because they want to see the highest level game possible and this can only be achieved if both players have practiced the matchup and actually know which matchup they are playing before the game starts. No one wants to see both players doing safe, generalist builds that kinda sorta work vs all races, aren't good against any of the races, but must be used anyway until the opponent's race is found out. This is poor viewing and the organizers realize this. They don't want to see people randoming, because too much of the results would be based on luck. Imagine Flash going random against Jaedong, getting Terran, and then having to watch Jaedong prepare for Terran/Protoss/Zerg only to end up having to face the best Terran in the world without using an anti-Terran build order. Obviously this is not optimal.

On March 28 2010 06:12 LF9 wrote:
It's not allowed because they want to see the highest level game possible and this can only be achieved if both players have practiced the matchup and actually know which matchup they are playing before the game starts. No one wants to see both players doing safe, generalist builds that kinda sorta work vs all races, aren't good against any of the races, but must be used anyway until the opponent's race is found out. This is poor viewing and the organizers realize this. They don't want to see people randoming, because too much of the results would be based on luck. Imagine Flash going random against Jaedong, getting Terran, and then having to watch Jaedong prepare for Terran/Protoss/Zerg only to end up having to face the best Terran in the world without using an anti-Terran build order. Obviously this is not optimal.

PS I think you guys are overestimating people solely on their accomplishments in previous games. Previous games that YOU like or play.

On March 28 2010 05:48 LF9 wrote:

Not really . . .


No. Just no. The fact that you even posted this shows how little you know about the game; the ONLY reason he was able to make half of these unorthodox strategies work is BECAUSE he went random. If he had chosen a race, his opponents would have been much more prepared and he wouldn't have been able to cheese every game. The game is new, people are still figuring it out, and he took advantage of that fact by going random and forcing the opponent to deal with yet ANOTHER unknown factor, and that is why he was able to get away with so much silliness.

On March 28 2010 06:10 Alou wrote:
Morrow, DeMusLiM, and Nazgul? How much harder can you get. I'm looking at the bracket and I don't see any harder series of match ups. Yes random does give him some element of surprise, but TLO is obviously skilled. He could think of all these creative strategies all he wants, but the fact that he was able to execute them very well shows his skill.

On March 28 2010 06:12 LF9 wrote:
It's not allowed because they want to see the highest level game possible and this can only be achieved if both players have practiced the matchup and actually know which matchup they are playing before the game starts. No one wants to see both players doing safe, generalist builds that kinda sorta work vs all races, aren't good against any of the races, but must be used anyway until the opponent's race is found out. This is poor viewing and the organizers realize this. They don't want to see people randoming, because too much of the results would be based on luck. Imagine Flash going random against Jaedong, getting Terran, and then having to watch Jaedong prepare for Terran/Protoss/Zerg only to end up having to face the best Terran in the world without using an anti-Terran build order. Obviously this is not optimal.

PS I think you guys are overestimating people solely on their accomplishments in previous games. Previous games that YOU like or play.