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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
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Raidern
Brazil3811 Posts
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styLesdavis
Germany833 Posts
But now: Groupstage against Hero and theSTC (and Jeal). This will be pretty hard. | ||
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styLesdavis
Germany833 Posts
I am tired of games like this. | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
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styLesdavis
Germany833 Posts
"Keep your army" together. Should be some kind of golden rule. Perhaps they don`t learn such things in Korea. I must be honest. TLO is far away from being one of the best foreigners out there. He isn`t even Top 30. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
Also he obviously puts units into control groups when they arrive at rally (like ret does). this costs him a lot of losses by missrally. most players assign units to control groups when they are still eggs .. He still plays pretty agressive, which does not work against top notch opponents. He should play way more tournaments as obviously he has an unrealistic impression of his real skill when playing ladder only .. maybe he should just copy stephano for some time and then apply minor tweaks to that once he has a solid strength. I think his hard traing schedule does not help as he loses because of bad strategies (mechanical setup and game-wise). | ||
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morrezor
Sweden99 Posts
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
There are certainly some things that back up your claims like your current ladder account in EU (something like 72:20 at this point) and some good ladder play in KR. You also mentioned (I guess mostly hidden) cgs etc. However I`m inclined to say that a lot of the flaws that you show in tournament play are also visible in your ladder stream: you very often die to overextending, you are very susceptible to late game harrass (dts or drops) and you missrally units, overlords etc. which costs you roughly 30 suppply/game. There is mostly one reason for all those mistakes and it`s because you play a style that constantly overdemands you and that would overdemand most other players too. I mean in general, why are there so many Zergs rising in a relatively short period (Vortix/Sortof/Targa). Their mechanics aren`t "Taejaesque" but they all developed an adaptable and safe style that they can play on repete in every matchup. They play less risky, cut less corners and focus on what matters. If they`d start to implement more baneling drops and multipronged ling runbies into their play I`d doubt that their performance would be that stable either (this is not to deny that e.g. Vortix has an edge over TLO). This very stable and adaptable style is whats missing in your play. That can make you harder to predict in theory but I doubt that`s the case in reality. In fact, I would say that you play much better if you play minimalistically. If you focus on defending, deliberately choose your engegaments and use smaller runbies in a methodical way, it really is a pleasure to watch you. In tournament settings however, if your opponent plays safe, your agression works against you. I am a very scrappy sc2 player, but I have a decent background in academics (both research and teaching) and I think what applies to academics is very similar to getting better in sc2 aswell. The best way to improve here is if you develop solid fundamentals and then dig deeper into some topics so that you excell in a certain area. If those fundamentals are missing however, the research will always have typical weak spots, no matter how smart the researcher is. Pls, do me the favour and think about switching your priorities in game. If you focus on avoiding errors there is actually less reason for you to always be the agressor. Instead, roles will be reversed as the opponent is forced to initiate fights and thus he is more likely to make mistakes or neglect his macro. Fancy stuff should always come second. You have the talent to make it far, but currently it`s frustrating to see players that invest less effort into everything making it far. Saying that you focus on improving long term sounds like an excuse tbh. Stephano and friends won`t stagnate either and additionally their tournament experience kicks in. I will support you in the future aswell, no matter what, but I hope that you`ll start to change some very bad habits. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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TKK
41 Posts
On September 23 2012 20:49 Irrational_Animal wrote: Well in the series vs TheStc you could really feel that it wasn`t him or at least you could literally see his nerves in the series. Apart from that some more general criticism: You say that there is a big gap between your a and your b/c game and that you have problems to show your true potential on stage. There are certainly some things that back up your claims like your current ladder account in EU (something like 72:20 at this point) and some good ladder play in KR. You also mentioned (I guess mostly hidden) cgs etc. However I`m inclined to say that a lot of the flaws that you show in tournament play are also visible in your ladder stream: you very often die to overextending, you are very susceptible to late game harrass (dts or drops) and you missrally units, overlords etc. which costs you roughly 30 suppply/game. There is mostly one reason for all those mistakes and it`s because you play a style that constantly overdemands you and that would overdemand most other players too. I mean in general, why are there so many Zergs rising in a relatively short period (Vortix/Sortof/Targa). Their mechanics aren`t "Taejaesque" but they all developed an adaptable and safe style that they can play on repete in every matchup. They play less risky, cut less corners and focus on what matters. If they`d start to implement more baneling drops and multipronged ling runbies into their play I`d doubt that their performance would be that stable either (this is not to deny that e.g. Vortix has an edge over TLO). This very stable and adaptable style is whats missing in your play. That can make you harder to predict in theory but I doubt that`s the case in reality. In fact, I would say that you play much better if you play minimalistically. If you focus on defending, deliberately choose your engegaments and use smaller runbies in a methodical way, it really is a pleasure to watch you. In tournament settings however, if your opponent plays safe, your agression works against you. I am a very scrappy sc2 player, but I have a decent background in academics (both research and teaching) and I think what applies to academics is very similar to getting better in sc2 aswell. The best way to improve here is if you develop solid fundamentals and then dig deeper into some topics so that you excell in a certain area. If those fundamentals are missing however, the research will always have typical weak spots, no matter how smart the researcher is. Pls, do me the favour and think about switching your priorities in game. If you focus on avoiding errors there is actually less reason for you to always be the agressor. Instead, roles will be reversed as the opponent is forced to initiate fights and thus he is more likely to make mistakes or neglect his macro. Fancy stuff should always come second. You have the talent to make it far, but currently it`s frustrating to see players that invest less effort into everything making it far. Saying that you focus on improving long term sounds like an excuse tbh. Stephano and friends won`t stagnate either and additionally their tournament experience kicks in. I will support you in the future aswell, no matter what, but I hope that you`ll start to change some very bad habits. thats what i think about TLOs play since years | ||
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Hellboy.100
Slovenia135 Posts
Second game was yours aswell, but u again started to throw away units, throw away a bunch of overlords and didnt deal well with the 1 prism, if u just got some static defense, u would lose a lot less than dealing with it with army all the time. And it was basically like this every ZvP, u were doing great what u are good at which is awesome multitasking, but u just dont know when to stop and keep a better eye on overlords. While ZvT, u many times did those random banespeedling attacks, but u can do that against hellion banshee...it should never works against those units and especially, u did very bad with dealing with banshee, spores/spines, more queens, a bit of roaches and no hellion banshee can do anything to you. While countering against it with ling baneling while banshee wreck ur economy was just a bad decision. I know i'm far from your skill level and undestanding of the game, but really those things didn't make much sense to me. PS: You were still amazing at many aspects of ur games, but there are lacks that u really really need to work on, i see same things on you as i did on Jinro, some amazing aspects that exceed any other player, but some lacks that just don't get fixed and lose you games. | ||
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oneill12
Romania1222 Posts
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Young Terran
United Kingdom265 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Indeed, it'll only take 6. | ||
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vlkv
61 Posts
Let TLO do his thing and discover things on his own. If he needs advice, there are people around him that know their gaming related stuff better than you do. We as fans have little insights into what is actually going on in a players training and even if we knew, 99% of the time we would lack the understanding to correctly interpret the data. Also, I doubt that advice like "you need to improve on X" is helpful even if it was true. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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SviRu
Poland80 Posts
vlkv > why do you think fans cant have the game knowledge? Tlo streams so much everyone with a little wisdom can see what is wrong. Many here stated what is wrong. Do you think 23/24 year old - sorry don't know Tlo's exact age - is alfa and omega and he knows everything? Maybe Tlo has some problems with his self awareness, perception of things. You never know. It's sometimes good to express your feelings. He says he knows what is wrong, he sees 1000 little things to approve after the game. Look at his overlord loosing ratio. He is loosing them all the time. Every game. Why he doesn't improve such small things if he knows he should. I don't really understand Tlo right now. He is trying to make the game different form what it is - rather than playing it. It is his choice I guess . If it is what he wants than ok. He doesn't have to be the best among all if he just want to have fun from the game. But if he wants fame, etc he has to change something not in his gameplay but in his mindset. For a fan almost 30 years old as me it is sad and frustrating to watch. Lets be honest TLO is not UBER HUMAN. He is like other players. Maybe top players. He won't play the game on another level above them all. I know its bad to say but it is true. You have to do the best possible things with tools you have. This is what i have learned since this day from my life. He has to change or things won't change. I said the same thing 1,5 year a go and I say it again right now. Please TLO - change. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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bLzPostman
New Zealand82 Posts
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