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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 21 2012 01:23 GMT
#48961
On February 21 2012 10:11 Moonwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why do I watch trashy shows when I know they're shit?

Because it's good entertainment.

I don't think anyone is going to make an argument that pop music is good 'in the classical sense of what is quality music' whatever that is. But I think if you like something, you must find some good qualities about it that appeal to you.


Not really. There are plenty of shows that I continued to watch even though it was shit (because I want to see how the story concludes or if it becomes good again). Than there's also those popular movies that I'm curious about.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 01:25:07
February 21 2012 01:24 GMT
#48962
@Sableyeah- It was/is still mostly popular just because people like to troll with it, not because they genuinely like it (in the states anyway). Also if you think this is AKP level you really haven't visited AKP in awhile.

@Spekulatius- pretty much covered what I wanted to but better; I was going to post something but couldn't word my statement right. Pretty much nailed it. Liking things is subjective but people have predispositions towards liking things because of outside factors. In this case Moonwrath liking SNSD songs more simply because they're by SNSD, and not just because the songs are good.
chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
February 21 2012 01:31 GMT
#48963
Can I just say I love this thread? I have always loved this thread. I will always love this thread.

Sorry I don't have more to contribute but consider this my profoundiest thankings!
Dance those ultras
Demizzle
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia397 Posts
February 21 2012 01:42 GMT
#48964
On February 21 2012 10:11 Moonwrath wrote:

Things like this
Show nested quote +
if you can't admit that it's a bad song, you're biased.

don't make any kind of sense whatsoever. That literally says, "if I don't like it, you must be biased." I guess that's my entire point about 'bias vs quality'. Who is anyone to say what someone likes?


That was never actually the point of my argument. The point was that new bands aren't established (by definition of being new) so fanboys/girls don't inflate the worthiness and legitimacy of their music.

Dyst and Spek have the right idea.

But if you bothered to look at my last.fm you'd see that I've listened to a shitload of SNSD in my days. But fanboys and fans are a completely different breed.
Jollypong ~ RIP KHAN / NSHoSeo | o v e r r a t e d g a m e r
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 21 2012 01:56 GMT
#48965
On February 21 2012 10:11 Moonwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why do I eat fastfood when I know it's shit?

Because it tastes good.

Show nested quote +
Why do I watch trashy shows when I know they're shit?

Because it's good entertainment.

I don't think anyone is going to make an argument that pop music is good 'in the classical sense of what is quality music' whatever that is. But I think if you like something, you must find some good qualities about it that appeal to you.

Things like this
Show nested quote +
if you can't admit that it's a bad song, you're biased.

don't make any kind of sense whatsoever. That literally says, "if I don't like it, you must be biased." I guess that's my entire point about 'bias vs quality'. Who is anyone to say what someone likes?

rofl cool strawman arguments. not really good at this are you

you can't use a song that was largely panned by the general community, previously establish yourself as a stan of said group, and expect people to not call you out on/not believe the example you offered. true objective fans are hard to find and you are definitely not one. Not to pick on you but that was seriously a bad example; lovey-dovey as a bad song works much better.

anyhow
I don't understand how there can't be objectively good music. there's a reason why music theory exists.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Vorgrim
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (North)1601 Posts
February 21 2012 01:57 GMT
#48966
I couldn't be considered a Miss A fanboy. Only like 1 or 2 of their songs, but Touch is a nice little pop song. Expecting anything more from kpop is ridiculous.

Just enjoy the music for what it is and perv over the videos/pics like any self respecting man would do and leave all the other crap to 15 year old girls.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
February 21 2012 02:00 GMT
#48967
Going to other threads outside TL makes me appreciate the new spoiler rule here even more now...starting to wish it was implemented site wide.
FastEddieV
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States614 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 02:03:30
February 21 2012 02:03 GMT
#48968
Watching Feast of the Gods with Nanashin stream and co. - so good! Sung Yu Ri as one of the main characters, bringing it back oldstyle.
+ Show Spoiler +


platinum? more like leaf
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 02:09:46
February 21 2012 02:05 GMT
#48969
On February 21 2012 10:56 andyrau wrote:
I don't understand how there can't be objectively good music. there's a reason why music theory exists.

Music theory can't explain why something is good. It can explain that the human brain responds positively to general patterns like certain harmonies, or the fact that we like to hear a rhythm instead of tones thrown together without any ordering whatsoever. (It gets harder when trying to explain flamenco which follows the weirdest beat ever. And then there's the twelve-tone technique which gives some music theoreticians the biggest boner while it disgusts the general public.)

Music theory then seeks to reproduce the patterns that it found appealing and experiments with them by reproducing and rearranging them.That's what it does.
It can't say if things are good or bad. Complexity doesn't mean quality, neither does creativity or ingenuity. People might interpret it that way, but it's in no way founded on the science that is music theory.
Always smile~
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
February 21 2012 02:09 GMT
#48970
kk done with a few days of some good old studying so bringing this topic back on track with some HQ Burberry! <3 Tiffany's hair so much. Also this is a better pic of Seohyun, I thought her dress was awesome actually.

[image loading]
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
mayhem123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 02:23:57
February 21 2012 02:12 GMT
#48971
whoops repost. have some yoona
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
February 21 2012 02:16 GMT
#48972
^posted last page
AndysRaulSioux
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 02:23:00
February 21 2012 02:20 GMT
#48973
On February 21 2012 11:09 Hall0wed wrote:
kk done with a few days of some good old studying so bringing this topic back on track with some HQ Burberry! <3 Tiffany's hair so much. Also this is a better pic of Seohyun, I thought her dress was awesome actually.
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Tiffany sooooo gorgeous it hurts ㅠㅠ

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
[image loading]
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 03:04:08
February 21 2012 02:43 GMT
#48974
So silly, so amusing reading this stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +
so old+ Show Spoiler +
can't stop watching+ Show Spoiler +
omg+ Show Spoiler +
SO DAMN OLD
+ Show Spoiler +

I SAID ITS OLD
+ Show Spoiler +
Taeyeon ~ Jennie ~ Seulgi ~ Irene @Fawkes711
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 21 2012 02:46 GMT
#48975
On February 21 2012 11:05 Spekulatius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 10:56 andyrau wrote:
I don't understand how there can't be objectively good music. there's a reason why music theory exists.

Music theory can't explain why something is good. It can explain that the human brain responds positively to general patterns like certain harmonies, or the fact that we like to hear a rhythm instead of tones thrown together without any ordering whatsoever. (It gets harder when trying to explain flamenco which follows the weirdest beat ever. And then there's the twelve-tone technique which gives some music theoreticians the biggest boner while it disgusts the general public.)

Music theory then seeks to reproduce the patterns that it found appealing and experiments with them by reproducing and rearranging them.That's what it does.
It can't say if things are good or bad. Complexity doesn't mean quality, neither does creativity or ingenuity. People might interpret it that way, but it's in no way founded on the science that is music theory.

I'll admit it's a pseudo-science at best, but you basically contradict yourself. Certain harmonies sound more pleasing to our ears because they are technically better, hence they are "good" from an objective perspective.
There's a reason why simple melodies like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star are appreciated, and why more complex expressions such as the caprices from Paganini are also celebrated.

It's the same way with literature and other arts. I don't find a Tale of Two Cities appealing in the slightest, but I cannot deny it's a classic and a an excellent example of historical fiction providing social critique.

There is a difference between good/bad music and good music you dislike/bad music you enjoy. Assuming the two are equivocal is silly.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
February 21 2012 03:05 GMT
#48976
On February 21 2012 11:46 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 11:05 Spekulatius wrote:
On February 21 2012 10:56 andyrau wrote:
I don't understand how there can't be objectively good music. there's a reason why music theory exists.

Music theory can't explain why something is good. It can explain that the human brain responds positively to general patterns like certain harmonies, or the fact that we like to hear a rhythm instead of tones thrown together without any ordering whatsoever. (It gets harder when trying to explain flamenco which follows the weirdest beat ever. And then there's the twelve-tone technique which gives some music theoreticians the biggest boner while it disgusts the general public.)

Music theory then seeks to reproduce the patterns that it found appealing and experiments with them by reproducing and rearranging them.That's what it does.
It can't say if things are good or bad. Complexity doesn't mean quality, neither does creativity or ingenuity. People might interpret it that way, but it's in no way founded on the science that is music theory.

I'll admit it's a pseudo-science at best, but you basically contradict yourself. Certain harmonies sound more pleasing to our ears because they are technically better, hence they are "good" from an objective perspective.
There's a reason why simple melodies like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star are appreciated, and why more complex expressions such as the caprices from Paganini are also celebrated.

It's the same way with literature and other arts. I don't find a Tale of Two Cities appealing in the slightest, but I cannot deny it's a classic and a an excellent example of historical fiction providing social critique.

There is a difference between good/bad music and good music you dislike/bad music you enjoy. Assuming the two are equivocal is silly.

Saving this post for our future is this shit good/bad discussions. Well done sir.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 03:08:17
February 21 2012 03:06 GMT
#48977
On February 21 2012 09:09 `Zapdos wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Anyone got the vid for this?
+ Show Spoiler +
These also make me smile
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]

I Haven't seen it personally, but that background leads me to think that its Sketchbook, should try and look up recent IU sketchbook performandces.


bingo, 5min 24s in roughly.
WriterXiao8~~
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 04:39:43
February 21 2012 04:39 GMT
#48978
Yoona the cutest ever
[image loading]
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 05:43:57
February 21 2012 05:41 GMT
#48979
New Miss A - Lips should've been their title track.. it's so strong. I love JYP but I think he was blinded by his own production of Touch I honestly think Lips might be the best song I've heard this year so far.



Have they announced if they will be promoting more than 1 song on this mini-album?
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 05:58:00
February 21 2012 05:54 GMT
#48980
On February 21 2012 14:41 Synapze wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
New Miss A - Lips should've been their title track.. it's so strong. I love JYP but I think he was blinded by his own production of Touch I honestly think Lips might be the best song I've heard this year so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzLPcMIJ5Ts

Have they announced if they will be promoting more than 1 song on this mini-album?

Take out the random and sudden warble/distortion and I agree wholeheartedly. Didn't expect to hear something like this coming from kpop.
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