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Future)Breeze
Croatia88 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
Batman could never survive a fall from that hieght.... The chances of the joker being able to do that would be far too.... A rocket sent into an armoured truck would not cause it to... There is no way no one would notice the joker as a police officer and seeing how this is so important to the plot.... | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
On January 06 2010 07:05 StorkHwaiting wrote: Archer: #1 Jake Sully isn't from poverty-stricken Africa. That's why his brother had PhDs and he was in the armed service. It's pretty obvious from the way he interacts with the other humans that he's a close parallel to a blue-collar American. Not some poor African child who lives in a nation of abject poverty. #2. You obviously don't understand the difference between a horse, which eats grass, and a tiger, which eats meat. Just LOL that you think the cost of raising a herd of horses is similar to a herd of tigers. LOL. #3. I wasn't aware Native Americans have soul trees that allow them to instantly tap into all the ancestral memories of their people and have a telepathic connection with each other and the planet around them. Thanks for telling me (and the rest of the world). #4. You're comparing a private corporation with a country. Nice to see you don't know the difference. I'm sure next year we'll see IBM invade Taiwan to lower their cost of manufacture. Overall, what I've seen from your post is that you have the complete inability to understand anything I said. Probably because you lack the requisite pool of knowledge to make sense of them. (Like knowing horses eat grass and tigers don't.) Anyhow, I'm done here. I offered my points and I'm quite alright with people disagreeing. Just wish there were more responses that showed a decent knowledge of scientific extrapolation rather than.... this. P.S. James Cameron's theme was quite obvious. It was heavy-handed and poorly done liberal propaganda. I'm a registered Democrat and even I thought it was over the top. (Me being someone who's donated thousands of dollars to conservation groups, done thousands of hours of volunteer work at animal shelters and habitat clean up groups, recycles every Tuesday, and doesn't drive a car). It's great that Cameron wants to bring issues like environmentalism and income gap disparity to the forefront, but he didn't do a good job of presenting them in the movie. Wow you're one of the most condescending people I've ever heard in my entire life. All the same, you seem to have absolutely no imagination whatsoever. You are exactly the type of person Cameron was 'attacking' in this film, so I guess it's no wonder you're so butthurt over the movie. 1: Jake Sully may very well have been a poor person, maybe his brother got a scholarship or something? Maybe in the future the whole idea of welfare and social equality has been phased out? In a Science Fiction narrative, anyone can create any world they want and by making things unclear, leave it up to the viewer to make it up, or merely underscore its unimportance to the central plot. 2: Repeat to yourself, "It's just a show, I should really just relax." How do we know these birds aren't omnivores? How do you know that there isn't enough food for the bird creatures? There are any number of ways this sort of biology could have occurred but it doesn't really matter. Furthermore, maybe the Na'vi really don't use them to hunt as much as they use them for transportation. The cost of owning a car is very high, yet most people continue to pay it because of the advantages it offers. And maybe not every Na'vi has one of the pterodactyl-things? Maybe the hunters are a relatively small part of Na'vi society, and owning one of them is like an expensive privilege. You get the picture. Why can't you enjoy one of the most physically thrilling sequences I've ever seen in a film? My father saw it with me, and as a former Vietnam fighter pilot, he said that the flight sequences were much more detailed and precise than an untrained eye could ever tell, and said it brought a tear to his eye because he had never felt so much like he was actually flying again as he did when he saw this film. 3: Obviously the Na'vi didn't actually get very much from connecting to the soul trees. They could hear voices, but you couldn't actually make out much of what they were saying, and if they were all from the same tribe or another. Perhaps Sigourney Weaver was interested because she knew the potentiality the system held, but the Na'vi themselves didn't or couldn't understand it (hence the religious overtones). I completely understand your point that if the Na'vi were that intertwined with each other and with nature, they wouldn't fight, but the fact is, they weren't. 4: A private corporation really isn't all that much different from a national government, and vice-versa. And I don't doubt that a private corporation with enough to gain wouldn't try to invade an area for resources, or enlist the national forces of a nation to do so. I'm pretty sure Archer understood what you're saying, I'm just thinking you're still wanting something from Avatar which it didn't offer. You expected something from it like you were entitled to something more 'hard' sci-fi or less like 'fantasy' but the two are now so intertwined (both in narratives and increasingly, in the real world) that you can't really blame someone for being original and a bit unique, if slightly heavy-handed. By the way, you missed the point. The movie wasn't about economics, or politics, it was about the human condition. It was like an attack on the bored, contrarian lifestyle that sits around and plots all day and forgets to live its life. The kind of person who forgets the joy in doing something stupid or risky and breathing cold air. The movie was like a jolt to the heart of the world, I hope because I've never been so thrilled to be sitting still, and I know the movie is iconic enough that it will likely inspire a generation of young kids, much like the intensely creative and iconic movies of the late 70s and early 80s. | ||
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
On January 06 2010 07:21 StorkHwaiting wrote: The hard-to-swallow things like flying predators serve as one of the biggest plot-devices in the movie. It's pretty bad when you don't explain your deus-ex machina, considering Jake miraculously became the leader of all the Na'vi by plugging into a big lizard. The soul tree on Pandora was the major reason for why the Na'vi were supposed to be alien and different from humans. It's pretty bad when the entire reason why they're alien is not explained very well. I'm not talking about sitting around explaining why the dogs have six legs or the rhinos have horns shaped like hammerheads. Those aren't plot relevant and therefore it's fine to have them skimmed over or not explained at all. But when it's absolutely crucial to the plot, and it serves as the SOLUTION to one of the major conflicts in the movie, then yeah, it's pretty bad when it has a shallow explanation. I see your point, but I think Avatar does a much, much better job of it than say, Battlefield Earth. Perhaps it bothers you more as an author or critic or whatever it is you do, but I personally didn't feel that the bio-economical feasibility of domesticating flying predators (yes, I understand the problems) was significant enough to kill my suspension of disbelief. Tens of millions of people play World of Warcraft, but most of them don't seem to mind flying gryphons or dragons around. | ||
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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liosama
Australia843 Posts
Just because Hollywood tend to make rubbish doesn't mean you cant find jewelry inside a rubbish dump there have been plenty of brilliant Hollywood films - I really don't know why so many people are hating. | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
On January 04 2010 08:07 ShcShc wrote: Except you can't calculate that for 100 countries with different rates/inflations for the last 50 years. ...at least not accurately. Except we have been talking about box office in North America ALL ALONG You said you didn't understand this: http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm Well, this chart refers to North America gross only. Although, I disagree with "you can't calculate that for 100 countries with different rates/inflation for last 50 year". Because we know the total box office and total admissions for each country for each year, thus we know the average ticket price for that country for each year. BTW, Avatar is on course to overtake Titanic in BOTH North America AND worldwide to become the No.1 box office movie ever, not taking inflation into account of course. | ||
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sassme
56 Posts
Can you link this to more of your literature gods? You need some help to weasel your way out imo. On January 06 2010 07:05 StorkHwaiting wrote: Archer: #1 Jake Sully isn't from poverty-stricken Africa. That's why his brother had PhDs and he was in the armed service. It's pretty obvious from the way he interacts with the other humans that he's a close parallel to a blue-collar American. Not some poor African child who lives in a nation of abject poverty. #2. You obviously don't understand the difference between a horse, which eats grass, and a tiger, which eats meat. Just LOL that you think the cost of raising a herd of horses is similar to a herd of tigers. LOL. #3. I wasn't aware Native Americans have soul trees that allow them to instantly tap into all the ancestral memories of their people and have a telepathic connection with each other and the planet around them. Thanks for telling me (and the rest of the world). #4. You're comparing a private corporation with a country. Nice to see you don't know the difference. I'm sure next year we'll see IBM invade Taiwan to lower their cost of manufacture. Overall, what I've seen from your post is that you have the complete inability to understand anything I said. Probably because you lack the requisite pool of knowledge to make sense of them. (Like knowing horses eat grass and tigers don't.) Anyhow, I'm done here. I offered my points and I'm quite alright with people disagreeing. Just wish there were more responses that showed a decent knowledge of scientific extrapolation rather than.... this. P.S. James Cameron's theme was quite obvious. It was heavy-handed and poorly done liberal propaganda. I'm a registered Democrat and even I thought it was over the top. (Me being someone who's donated thousands of dollars to conservation groups, done thousands of hours of volunteer work at animal shelters and habitat clean up groups, recycles every Tuesday, and doesn't drive a car). It's great that Cameron wants to bring issues like environmentalism and income gap disparity to the forefront, but he didn't do a good job of presenting them in the movie. And I was going to buy a book! btw are you serious? | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On January 06 2010 00:52 Archerofaiur wrote: Its funny it almost sounds like your saying "he made the movie easy to understand" like its a bad thing. It's funny because you obviously skimmed over what I said. He made it to the point where you as the viewer can't interpret what is going on. The shitty dialogue and rehashed themes only compound the problem; the "just a hunch" bullshit was just hilariously shitty. Also, top grossing doesn't mean anything, Avatar has redeeming qualities and most of the movies people would like to compare it to does NOT get the ridiculous ticket prices from IMAX release (besides the fact they would looking fucking retarded on it). On January 06 2010 07:52 BanZu wrote: The deus-ex machina was explained... huh? Sorry, but can you fill me in on your whole post? I'm quite confused haha... He missed the shit about the previous rider uniting the clans with it. It's passable, but the presentation was bad, like my chances went from 0 to 100 because of a "hunch". BRB solving a problem you spent the last 10-20 mins developing with less than a minute of film. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On January 06 2010 07:21 StorkHwaiting wrote: The hard-to-swallow things like flying predators serve as one of the biggest plot-devices in the movie. It's pretty bad when you don't explain your deus-ex machina, considering Jake miraculously became the leader of all the Na'vi by plugging into a big lizard. The soul tree on Pandora was the major reason for why the Na'vi were supposed to be alien and different from humans. It's pretty bad when the entire reason why they're alien is not explained very well. I'm not talking about sitting around explaining why the dogs have six legs or the rhinos have horns shaped like hammerheads. Those aren't plot relevant and therefore it's fine to have them skimmed over or not explained at all. But when it's absolutely crucial to the plot, and it serves as the SOLUTION to one of the major conflicts in the movie, then yeah, it's pretty bad when it has a shallow explanation. The deus-ex machina was explained... huh? Sorry, but can you fill me in on your whole post? I'm quite confused haha... | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 06 2010 07:52 Judicator wrote: It's funny because you obviously skimmed over what I said. He made it to the point where you as the viewer can't interpret what is going on. The shitty dialogue and rehashed themes only compound the problem; the "just a hunch" bullshit was just hilariously shitty. Also, top grossing doesn't mean anything, Avatar has redeeming qualities and most of the movies people would like to compare it to does NOT get the ridiculous ticket prices from IMAX release (besides the fact they would looking fucking retarded on it). He missed the shit about the previous rider uniting the clans with it. It's passable, but the presentation was bad, like my chances went from 0 to 100 because of a "hunch". BRB solving a problem you spent the last 10-20 mins developing with less than a minute of film. I understood it. The giant lizard falls under the same umbrellas as the smaller lizards. It doesn't make sense for a society to be built around a symbiotic relationship with huge flocks of meat-eating predators. | ||
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
I want to ride a flying reptilian carnivore  | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 06 2010 08:05 Biochemist wrote: It doesn't have to be scientifically plausible if it's cool enough that you don't care. I want to ride a flying reptilian carnivore lol me too! I've said a million times already that I like the movie. I. LIKE. AVATAR. It's just not perfect! Is it really a sin to say that? | ||
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sRapers_ValkS
United States644 Posts
On January 06 2010 06:58 inertinept wrote: and everyone on tl wonders why they are depressed yawn hahaha I really didn't go for the plot...and the visuals were fantastic! What's the problem here? I thought this was a great step in moviemaking, raising the bar to clear the way for other awesome movies. You guys are very picky! | ||
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sassme
56 Posts
On January 06 2010 08:00 StorkHwaiting wrote: I understood it. The giant lizard falls under the same umbrellas as the smaller lizards. It doesn't make sense for a society to be built around a symbiotic relationship with huge flocks of meat-eating predators. They were kind of symbiotic with everything else? Wasnt it the whole point? Every living creature on the planet is somehow connected? Thx for the PM btw, i dont know what you want me to say. But yeah youre right, user with 35 posts cant win the argument lol. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 06 2010 08:14 sassme wrote: Judicator epic movies need to be built around epic shit. Like big yellow eyes opening in the end. Or main character showing up riding a huge legendary lizard. Its a trick you get it? It was clear he was going to ride it since the girl mentioned it. How much time did you expect to be used for this particular episode? They were kind of symbiotic with everything else? Wasnt it the whole point? Every living creature on the planet is somehow connected? Thx for the PM btw, i dont know what you want me to say. But yeah youre right, user with 35 posts cant win the argument lol. You're not arguing. You're trolling with attempts at personal attacks. Like I said in the PM, if you can't understand the difference between the two, you probably won't be here for very long. | ||
Hot_Bid
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On January 06 2010 08:14 sassme wrote: Judicator epic movies need to be built around epic shit. Like big yellow eyes opening in the end. Or main character showing up riding a huge legendary lizard. Its a trick you get it? It was clear he was going to ride it since the girl mentioned it. How much time did you expect to be used for this particular episode? They were kind of symbiotic with everything else? Wasnt it the whole point? Every living creature on the planet is somehow connected? Thx for the PM btw, i dont know what you want me to say. But yeah youre right, user with 35 posts cant win the argument lol. I expect it to be better than a minute of him realizing it and resolving it. It's like if Luke Skywalker at the end of New Hope SUDDENLY realizing the weakness in the Death Star is the exhaust vent right before he shoots. You don't even get the can-he-do-it moment of realization because it's over immediately. | ||
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t_co
United States702 Posts
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Steelflight-Rx
United States1389 Posts
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