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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
FOOKING AWESOME :o !!! At times I was almost crying, like when all those birds en rhinos came to the rescue. And god... When that worldtree came down I was thinking goddamned stupid humans not again. Shit like that happens in real life too, eery isn't it? And the music, the gorgeous images, that fight at the end... Goosebumps I tell ya | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
edit: notch? knotch? dont know. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On December 24 2009 20:59 Promises wrote: Ok I just have to ask, do people think it was the best movie ever just because the visuals were so good and they made up for the rest, or did people actually think the dialogue and storytelling was top knotch aswell? edit: notch? knotch? dont know. Two words. Fern Gully. | ||
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Vic.nQQ
Bulgaria88 Posts
Ereta or whatever their goddess is called has something to do with the Overmind, dont you think? And with all the Tree of Life crap, flying mountains and wisp looking creatures I was kinda expecting a shit load of "wisps" to suicide @ archimo.. I mean the shuttle, trying to kill the sacred tree. | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 21 2009 15:32 Promises wrote: Why is being critical about the movie suddenly labeled as simplistic? I don't even think most critics are saying people shouldnt go see this movie, I'm personally recommending it to people, simply because the visuals are that good and on a whole new level. But once again, its not so much that the story has been told before, its that it is so incredibly predictable in every twist and turn. Can you honestly say you were surprised at.... well pretty much anything happening? + Show Spoiler + From the heli-chick rebelling to him riding the big beasty, the final fight with the major, to the bigger storyline where he makes it as a member of the society, him falling in love, fighting with the group he set out to explore Everything was "to be expected", and altho I do agree the acting isnt bad, the dialogue is just horrible. Combine that with some other cheese and I'd say those are some fairly valid notes for this movie. Wether or not that makes the movie still worth watching or not is an entirely different debate. (and one that I would answer with yes) | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9535 Posts
Actually, it's one word. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
This movie sucks horribly, the dialogue was george lucas quality, there were plot holes that were never resolved (aka outright ignored) or resolved by some bullshit, then there were the cameron's take on the ewoks on endor final fight. The love story was below pearl harbor's quality and you literally had to turn your brain off to miss the massive fucking discrepancies in the movie. 30 mins in I was like man I hope they don't go down the environment versus coporate greed path, 30 mins later I was cursing at myself for going to the movie. Shit's been done before, except better, the story telling sucked, the dialogue sucked, the action was so-so, the only good thing was that the CG was very well done. Cameron made this movie in the literally most simplified and dumbed down way possible. semi-spoiler below: + Show Spoiler + for example, when we are first introduced to pandora, it's portrayed as a place worse than hell, but the fucking regulars were pretty damned happy and overall morale seemed pretty good for an isolated base with everything around it trying to kill whats in it. this kind of shit is repeated multiple times in the movie, and really just insults me as a movie watcher that my intelligence is that low to not notice shit like this. | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
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afg-warrior
Afghanistan328 Posts
overall the movie was pretty cheesy. the navi are pretty much africans. and at one point they took out futuristic helicopter gunships with bows and arrows while they flew on pterodactyls. they fired the arrow onto the gunships' windshield and stabbed pilots in the heart. LOLOLOLOL the end was stupid too. + Show Spoiler + all seemed lost for the navi and they pull of a lord of the rings and make mother nature save them....soooo cheesy | ||
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afg-warrior
Afghanistan328 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The political import of Avatar — and there’s no waving this aspect away because it’s right in your face start to finish, and especially in the third act — is ardently left. It is pro-indigenous native, anti-corporate, anti-imperialist, anti-U.S. Iraq War effort, anti-U.S.-in-Afghanistan (and anti-troop-surge-in-that-country, or strongly against the thinking of President Barack Obama and Gen. Stanley McChrystal), anti-rightie, anti-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld, etc. Yes, it’s very teenaged adolescent in its super-imaginative wacko visions and exuberant energy levels, but politically it’s pure Che Guevara (more the Motorcycle Diaries or Che-in-Cuba version than Che in Bolivia), Noam Chomsky, Hugo Chavez, Howard Zinn, Gore Vidal, Oliver Stone, etc. Cameron is an earth-hugging lefty from way back (the flagrant despise-the-arrogant-rich current in Titanic being but one example) so this should come as no surprise to anyone. I for one am cheered and heartened. If Sarah Palin sees Avatar and then sits down and actually thinks about what it’s saying (which is always a dicey proposition, I admit), she’ll hate this movie. http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/11/review-avatar-super-mega-ultra-l eft-wing/ | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
The political import of Avatar — and there’s no waving this aspect away because it’s right in your face start to finish, and especially in the third act — is ardently left. It is pro-indigenous native, anti-corporate, anti-imperialist, anti-U.S. Iraq War effort, anti-U.S.-in-Afghanistan (and anti-troop-surge-in-that-country, or strongly against the thinking of President Barack Obama and Gen. Stanley McChrystal), anti-rightie, anti-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld, etc. Yes, it’s very teenaged adolescent in its super-imaginative wacko visions and exuberant energy levels, but politically it’s pure Che Guevara (more the Motorcycle Diaries or Che-in-Cuba version than Che in Bolivia), Noam Chomsky, Hugo Chavez, Howard Zinn, Gore Vidal, Oliver Stone, etc. Cameron is an earth-hugging lefty from way back (the flagrant despise-the-arrogant-rich current in Titanic being but one example) so this should come as no surprise to anyone. I for one am cheered and heartened. If Sarah Palin sees Avatar and then sits down and actually thinks about what it’s saying (which is always a dicey proposition, I admit), she’ll hate this movie. Yah stupid "war and corporate greed is bad" propaganda! Who the hell does socialist Cameron think he is teaching our children that things like "protecting the enviroment" and "love" are good things? Shouldnt it be up to the family to teach the kid whether those things are good? | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On December 24 2009 20:59 Promises wrote: Ok I just have to ask, do people think it was the best movie ever just because the visuals were so good and they made up for the rest, or did people actually think the dialogue and storytelling was top knotch aswell? edit: notch? knotch? dont know. A 'good' movie for me is not only defined by plot/storytelling/dialogue, it's about how much I enjoy it/what kind of impression it leaves on me. Simple as that. Avatar got me goosebumps not only because of the graphics but also because of the story and the good ending. I'm a sucker for good endings anyway. I got home and watched the trailer 3 times in a row and I went on the website and read up about stuff and I can't wait to watch it again. That only happens to me when I think a movie is REALLY good (as in, it enjoyed me massively). Of the top of my head I can think of only a few movies that gave me the same feeling (The Dark Knight, LOTR to name a few) but actually that feeling with Avatar was even stronger. I don't feel compelled to judge a movie based on stuff like plot/storytelling/dialogue/special effects if I simply enjoy it a lot. I only do that with movies which I really despise like Chronicles of Narnia which without a doubt is the worst movie I ever saw in the cinema. Maybe I'm just less critical than most people who don't like movies like Avatar. I can't even fathom how you would not like this movie. Notch btw =] About cliches btw, I already posted this on Smorrie's blog but it doesn't get that much exposure there. I was wondering what you guys think about this: The word 'cliché' too often has a negative meaning. Cliches don't necessarily have to be bad for a movie... they are cliches for a reason and one could argue that they are good for movies. Why would something be 'overused' if it works every time? Should romantic movies come up with a different way to say 'I love you' in every new movie? I hate the way the word cliché is interpreted by these so-called critics who have to find a reason why a movie would be bad. Sure you can point out faults in a movie, but a few faults doesn't make a movie bad. Not to mention that people who dislike almost every movie out there that the general pop likes say so with a false sense of superiority; like they know better than the average movie-goer because they dislike the movie and use 'big' words like plothole or character development. A movie doesn't have to be perfect in every regard to be enjoyable. If James Cameron wanted to explain everything about this world, introduce the characters with their background and where they came from, he would either need 3 movies or a movie that was cropped and still 5 hours long. That said I pretty much agree with this review. If you look at the movie objectively, you can see some faults in it of course, but they didn't bother me at all while watching the movie because it was really enjoyable to me. Something that's good can always be better and to not like this movie you'd have to be a pretty negative person. | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
I'm kind of surprised at how negative so many people are being about this movie although I probably shouldn't be. I really enjoyed the movie throughout its two and a half hours and I enjoyed the story too. A lot of people are picking on the simplicity of the plot but I don't think filling it with plot twists and making it difficult to follow would have improved the movie at all. I would rather have a simple archetypal story told well than have an original (how many stories are original now-a-days?) and complicated story told poorly. Avatar was gorgeous to look at, it kept me thoroughly entertained for its duration and it made me feel good at the end. It did what I want a movie to do for me! I can't wait to go see it again. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On December 25 2009 04:26 Pifualkd wrote: I saw Avatar at an Imax in 3d. I'm kind of surprised at how negative so many people are being about this movie although I probably shouldn't be. I really enjoyed the movie throughout its two and a half hours and I enjoyed the story too. A lot of people are picking on the simplicity of the plot but I don't think filling it with plot twists and making it difficult to follow would have improved the movie at all. I would rather have a simple archetypal story told well than have an original (how many stories are original now-a-days?) and complicated story told poorly. Avatar was gorgeous to look at, it kept me thoroughly entertained for its duration and it made me feel good at the end. It did what I want a movie to do for me! I can't wait to go see it again. I liked Avatar, but your argument is a logical fallacy. Plots aren't a choice of simple+good versus complicated+bad. | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
Plots aren't a choice of simple+good versus complicated+bad. That's... exactly what he just said. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On December 24 2009 21:49 Judicator wrote: So saw this last night, first I had low expectations, then decent expectations from word of mouth which was a huge mistake. This movie sucks horribly, the dialogue was george lucas quality, there were plot holes that were never resolved (aka outright ignored) or resolved by some bullshit, then there were the cameron's take on the ewoks on endor final fight. The love story was below pearl harbor's quality and you literally had to turn your brain off to miss the massive fucking discrepancies in the movie. 30 mins in I was like man I hope they don't go down the environment versus coporate greed path, 30 mins later I was cursing at myself for going to the movie. Shit's been done before, except better, the story telling sucked, the dialogue sucked, the action was so-so, the only good thing was that the CG was very well done. Cameron made this movie in the literally most simplified and dumbed down way possible. semi-spoiler below: + Show Spoiler + for example, when we are first introduced to pandora, it's portrayed as a place worse than hell, but the fucking regulars were pretty damned happy and overall morale seemed pretty good for an isolated base with everything around it trying to kill whats in it. this kind of shit is repeated multiple times in the movie, and really just insults me as a movie watcher that my intelligence is that low to not notice shit like this. Hehe I'm not saying the dialogue in Avatar was super great or Oscar worthy or something, but please don't compare it to the prequel Star Wars, because throughout those movies the writing and dialogue was SO BAD that it actually took you out of the story. In Avatar you felt immersed the whole time (ie the dialogue couldn't have been that bad). the one exception was when they said "shock and awe" and "fight terror with terror" which obviously led to everyone thinking of Bush and getting taken out of the story. i don't think they needed to do that (even if i agree with it) because its pretty obvious the parallels without such heavy handed words. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
It is pro-indigenous native Eh, it seems more like its pro-leaving people the fuck alone, or anti-aggression. anti-corporate, anti-imperialist definitely anti-U.S. Iraq War effort, anti-U.S.-in-Afghanistan (and anti-troop-surge-in-that-country, or strongly against the thinking of President Barack Obama and Gen. Stanley McChrystal), anti-rightie, anti-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld, etc. That's too narrow of an interpretation. And where did that shit about the surge come from? | ||
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