EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 6141
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Slaughter
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 27 2017 11:14 Sentenal wrote: I'm excited to see your reaction once you finish the next handful of episodes. Be sure to avoid the Episode Previews at all cost, they'll just flat out spoiler you on everything that happens + Show Spoiler + Another thought I had is that Fork manages to wound him badly and Reinhard sends assistance thus peace talks begins. Still doesn't explain the foreshadowing and of course, it's kinda absurd to think about haha. edit: I always skip episode previews, waste of time. | ||
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BigFan
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On September 27 2017 11:14 Sentenal wrote: I'm excited to see your reaction once you finish the next handful of episodes. Be sure to avoid the Episode Previews at all cost, they'll just flat out spoiler you on everything that happens Holy Shit, I'm so pissed... + Show Spoiler + Why the hell did he kill Yang? Fuck, I was looking forward to their meeting  This author... | ||
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ShurykaN
United States338 Posts
However, how valid is this anecdotal evidence compared to hard statistics? So I made a list of how many anime aired per season were rated 7.7 or high on myanimelist + Show Spoiler [list] +
Spring...17 - 9 Winter...17 - 12 Fall........16 - 12 Summer16 - 12 Spring...16 - 11 Winter...16 - 12 Fall........15 - 14 Summer15 - 10 Spring...15 - 15 Winter...15 - 7 Fall........14 - 12 Summer14 - 11 Spring...14 - 14 Winter...14 - 7 Fall........13 - 16 Summer13 - 8 Spring...13 - 5 Winter...13 - 4 Fall........12 - 17 Summer12 - 6 Spring...12 - 13 Winter...12 - 8 Fall........11 - 10 Summer11 - 7 Spring...11 - 13 Winter...11 - 6 Fall........10 - 10 Summer10 - 7 Spring...10 - 9 Winter...10 - 6 Fall........09 - 9 Summer09 - 4 Spring...09 - 13 Winter...09 - 6 Fall........08 - 13 Summer08 - 5 Spring...08 - 10 Winter...08 - 5 Fall........07 - 8 Summer07 - 4 Spring...07 - 17 Winter...07 - 4 Fall........06 - 11 Summer06 - 2 Spring...06 - 12 Winter...06 - 2 Fall........05 - 10 Summer05 - 2 Spring...05 - 6 Winter...05 - 0 Fall........04 - 9 Summer04 - 2 Spring...04 - 6 Winter...04 - 3 Fall........03 - 6 Summer03 - 1 Spring...03 - 5 Winter...03 - 1 Fall........02 - 7 Summer02 - 2 Spring...02 - 3 Winter...02 - 1 Fall........01 - 2 Summer01 - 3 Spring...01 - 1 Winter...01 - 0 Fall........00 - 3 Summer00 - 0 Spring...00 - 3 Winter...00 - 1 Fall........99 - 5 Summer99 - 1 Spring...99 - 1 Winter...99 - 2 Fall........98 - 1 Summer98 - 2 Spring...98 - 4 Winter...98 - 3 Fall........97 - 1 Summer97 - 0 Spring...97 - 4 Winter...97 - 1 Fall........96 - 2 Summer96 - 1 Spring...96 - 4 Winter...96 - 3 Fall........95 - 2 Summer95 - 0 Spring...95 - 3 Winter...95 - 1 Fall........94 - 1 Summer94 - 0 Spring...94 - 2 Winter...94 - 0 Fall........93 - 1 Summer93 - 0 Spring...93 - 1 Winter...93 - 2 Fall........92 - 1 Summer92 - 0 Spring...92 - 1 Winter...92 - 0 Fall........91 - 1 Summer91 - 1 Spring...91 - 1 Winter...91 - 1 Fall........90 - 0 Summer90 - 0 Spring...90 - 0 Winter...90 - 2 Fall........89 - 2 Summer89 - 0 Spring...89 - 2 Winter...89 - 0 Fall........88 - 1 Summer88 - 0 Spring...88 - 2 Winter...88 - 1 Spring...87 - 1 Fall........86 - 1 Spring...86 - 2 Winter...86 - 1 Spring...85 - 2 Winter...85 - 1 Fall........84 - 1 Fall........83 - 1 Spring...83 - 1 Fall........82 - 2 Summer82 - 1 Fall........81 - 1 Fall........80 - 1 Fall........79 - 1 Spring...79 - 1 Winter...79 - 1 Fall........78 - 2 Spring...78 - 2 Fall........77 - 1 Fall........74 - 1 Summer73 - 1 Fall........71 - 1 Summer71 - 1 Spring...70 - 1 Now what does this list mean? I dunno it's pretty useless lol Earlier anime seemed more likely to have 2 or more cours and this list only counts new anime. This list only counts TV anime and some OVA, no movies. I made this list manually like the computer illiterate clown I am. Anime such as Natsume Yuujinchou or Bakemonogatari get counted multiple times because each season is separate on MAL. MAL ratings suck in general. My favorite anime *of all time* were generally from 2004 - 2012. Maybe I should've only counted stuff higher than like 8.2 lol. Newer anime feel more riddled with cliches and generic with terrible plots. However, the future of anime seems not as grim as it could! Newer technology makes it easier than ever to make high quality animations, anime seems to be getting more popular as a whole, and every year people get more experienced. As long as the passion doesn't die I'm sure there will be more good anime in the future! /hope | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Cliches have always been common. That's basically what defines a cliche. If you really wanted to be pedantic then you could say almost all anime has some cliche Greek tragedy involved or traditional Japanese story elements. It isn't something only newer anime does, it's always been done. Just look at your list, look how few old shows you actually watched. You can't compare watching the stand out show of a year to watching the mass produced stuff in current year. There's just so much anime these days which means there is obviously going to be so much more bad stuff. There are still good gems coming through every year which is perfectly fine and reasonable. Stuff like 3-gatsu was breathtaking this year. This is the natural progression of any hobby or media. You start out cherry eyed seeing everything as an amazing new piece of work. Then you consume like a madman until you at a point where you've seen so much that you start seeing all the cracks and flaws that you previously ignored. It's not doomed. It's not any worse or better than before. You've changed. The medium may change and adapt. It's going to go through periods of ups and downs. To finish off on this I noticed something interesting. You can ask anyone here, I'm often watching more older shows and talking about how much I miss X,Y type of stories yet here I am defending the modern anime while barely watching it. Maybe that's the difference? Maybe you guys just need to dial back on the quantity you consume and focus more on picking out the standouts. I've only watched 3-gatsu(well i need to get BD to finish) and Hero Academia this year. Both are fantastic in different ways, and both would have been fantastic if made 20 years ago. So don't get all caught up on the doom and gloom. Accept at any given time most of media is going to be bad but that there will always be the good. You just need to find that good.  | ||
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207aicila
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On September 27 2017 05:02 Numy wrote: I was just about to post essentially this. The main reason people consider old anime to be so much better is that the old anime we see today is more often than not the stand out anime of that time. You don't see the crappy seasonal write offs that no one cared about. /thread on this discussion topic basically. Same with music, same with games. Now there are thousands of people who make a point of watching almost everything that comes out, as it's coming out. Back then you watched whatever was on TV or whatever you could find in video stores (if you were lucky enough to have anime in either of these to begin with). And more recently, like 10 years ago? Sure we started to get online streaming, fansubs, torrents etc. a huge boom of anime piracy basically, but you were still at the whim of what people knew and could upload/translate. It's only recently that you can watch pretty much anything. Before that you could only get what was already filtered through a popularity test, if not a quality one as well (before people start screaming that no, this or that super popular anime from 15 years ago was actually trash). And to be honest I don't understand the obsession with watching everything that's coming out indiscriminately. Maybe I'm old, but I have a good idea of where my tastes lie and what I'm looking for in anime. And they're thankfully pretty broad, I can get behind a lot of genres and styles if done well enough, but there are also a lot of things that I know I could not possibly enjoy. And I believe it would be disrespectful towards myself and my time, if I were to deliberately watch something that I already know I have almost zero chances of enjoying. And yet there are so many kids in the anime community who watch everything even the stuff they know is gonna suck or that isn't up their alley, just so that they can get mad and rant about it later. I don't understand. It seems wholly unproductive and unconstructive. Especially because many (read: all) of them are too casual or inexperienced to be able to differentiate between subjective taste and factual production problems or writing flaws. But that's most of the community in a nutshell to be fair. No one is paying them to watch everything, no one is paying them to watch things they know they can't possibly like, they are not Roger Ebert (may he rest in peace) and no one cares about their shitty childish rants masquerading as a "review" on MAL. But they don't seem to understand... a shame they seemed an honest man. +EDIT: On September 27 2017 20:56 Numy wrote: Just look at your list, look how few old shows you actually watched. You can't compare watching the stand out show of a year to watching the mass produced stuff in current year. There's just so much anime these days which means there is obviously going to be so much more bad stuff. There are still good gems coming through every year which is perfectly fine and reasonable. Stuff like 3-gatsu was breathtaking this year. This is the natural progression of any hobby or media. You start out cherry eyed seeing everything as an amazing new piece of work. Then you consume like a madman until you at a point where you've seen so much that you start seeing all the cracks and flaws that you previously ignored. It's not doomed. It's not any worse or better than before. You've changed. The medium may change and adapt. It's going to go through periods of ups and downs. To finish off on this I noticed something interesting. You can ask anyone here, I'm often watching more older shows and talking about how much I miss X,Y type of stories yet here I am defending the modern anime while barely watching it. Maybe that's the difference? Maybe you guys just need to dial back on the quantity you consume and focus more on picking out the standouts. I've only watched 3-gatsu(well i need to get BD to finish) and Hero Academia this year. Both are fantastic in different ways, and both would have been fantastic if made 20 years ago. So don't get all caught up on the doom and gloom. Accept at any given time most of media is going to be bad but that there will always be the good. You just need to find that good. Great post, I'm not even mad about getting sniped. :D | ||
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207aicila
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On September 27 2017 20:56 Numy wrote: It is frustrating how 1 cour has become the norm for shows but I think that's partly due to how expensive it is to make good quality shows. Very few studios can do consistent good quality over a full 24 seasons, the compromise is then multiple cours instead. That I'm fine with. The single cour LN advertisement that has no intention of ever becoming a real show is frustrating. Well... yeah there was a period between the late 90s and mid 2000s where it seemed like many anime would get 26 or more episodes. But before that it was even worse, a lot of anime was only a few OVA episodes and the TV stuff was only long-running Shounen or Shoujo stuff... I do agree about "The single cour LN advertisement that has no intention of ever becoming a real show" though... Especially when many of them have a lot of promise, and take the time and effort to build a cool fantasy world with a good amount of detail and immerse you in it, then it ends and you realize you've only seen 5% of the adventure proper. I can think of a few recent shows that I quite enjoyed but turned out this way. Not to mention stuff like S&W or Konosuba where the anime does well, people love it, it's quite popular but they come out and say "ok no more anime though, but you can buy our books (except if you don't live in Japan cuz fuck you hundreds of thousands of international fans whom we have bait and switched with the anime)"... like that's just acting in bad faith at that point. Fuck's sake didn't the Konosuba LN already outsell SAO last year or something? It's not like the guy is dying of poverty. Surely he can afford to license it for a 3rd season. And surely Studio Deen can afford to keep making one of their best most popular recent series... | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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207aicila
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On September 27 2017 21:36 Slaughter wrote: Konosuba and Spice and Wolf both are in english for LN as well. All the volumes? Because more often than not you can only (legally) get only the first few volumes of a LN which have already been made into anime anyway... | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
Unless a series gets dropped by the publisher most will continue to be translated, they are just very lagged behind when they came out in JP. Though they are getting better and pick up more titles so stuff comes out faster. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
I wonder if the new series has started yet. | ||
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207aicila
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But that's good that there's an exception to this, I will look into it. Thanks for letting me know. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 27 2017 14:54 BigFan wrote: Holy Shit, I'm so pissed... + Show Spoiler + Why the hell did he kill Yang? Fuck, I was looking forward to their meeting This author... + Show Spoiler + Dat episode 82 Things like that is why LoGH is actually the saddest anime ever made. Things like Clannad are small-time in comparison | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On September 27 2017 08:52 IceHism wrote: Are there any mediums where you don't hate everything I mean, it's in jest more than anything else. I don't mean it seriously. :/ But I've always liked reading books. | ||
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Lackbleeder
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On September 27 2017 20:56 Numy wrote: It is frustrating how 1 cour has become the norm for shows but I think that's partly due to how expensive it is to make good quality shows. Very few studios can do consistent good quality over a full 24 seasons, the compromise is then multiple cours instead. That I'm fine with. The single cour LN advertisement that has no intention of ever becoming a real show is frustrating. I don't think lack of money's the reason why 2-cour shows aren't as common anymore since there are nearly twice as many titles released each season compared to the previous decade. It's just smarter, businesswise, to make twice as many shows since you can still capitalize on shows that struck gold while losing out less on flops. I don't get why people still put up with half-baked adaptations when more often than not the source material is readily available* for you to continue. I get that some only watch those shows because of the social aspect but If you love a show so much you'd shitpost NEW SEASON WHEN ??? for months/years why wouldn't you just read the source** ? Maybe i'm just underestimating how much weight people put on animation and sound but in my case the experience doesn't change much once I familliarise with the new medium and it's strengths and weaknesses. You gotta expand your horizons sometimes because there's so many more gems you'll stumble across that way. *For manga atleast even though they tend to have dubious translations. If it was a LN you're probably not missing out on much anyway B] **Or in some cases the previous adaptation. Too many people just refuse to watch the LotGH OVA's because ew old art and will watch the remake instead even if there's a large enough chance that it's going to be inferior and/or incomplete (and then some of said people will beg for more seasons without cheking out the OVA's). On September 27 2017 22:00 Sentenal wrote: + Show Spoiler + Dat episode 82 Things like that is why LoGH is actually the saddest anime ever made. Things like Clannad are small-time in comparison + Show Spoiler [LotGH] + I though episode 83 was sadder personally, Julian being so nervous and Frederica talking about how she wanted Yang to grow old and pass away peacefully as his grandchildren found him on his chair was so .... ;__; | ||
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207aicila
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On September 28 2017 00:32 Lackbleeder wrote: I don't get why people still put up with half-baked adaptations when more often than not the source material is readily available* for you to continue. What do you mean by half-baked adaptations? Are you referring to indefinitely unfinished (or worse, confirmed-to-be-left-forever-unfinished) anime adaptations? Or are you referring to adaptations which are decidedly inferior from an artistic or story perspective? If it's the former, that's pretty simple. You can't always know what will keep being made, the only way around that is to assume that every adaptation will be left unfinished and only watch things years after they're done, if ever. There's also the fact that some, despite being unfinished, are really well-realized and quite good at immersing the viewer into their world and story. On September 28 2017 00:32 Lackbleeder wrote: Maybe i'm just underestimating how much weight people put on animation and sound but in my case the experience doesn't change much once I familliarise with the new medium and it's strengths and weaknesses. You gotta expand your horizons sometimes because there's so many more gems you'll stumble across that way. Oh, that's simple. The vast majority of anime viewers in the West don't read manga, or do so only for a few specific personal favourites. I don't know why that is, although I have seen many (including friends of mine) cite the lack of animation, colour, sound. On September 28 2017 00:32 Lackbleeder wrote: *For manga atleast even though they tend to have dubious translations. If it was a LN you're probably not missing out on much anyway B] Interesting anecdote but in my experience when you get to more obscure stuff, whether manga or LN, you simply can't find that stuff anywhere online in an English-translated format, not even if you are ok with resorting to piracy. And as you say, some of them are borderline where you can find them but the scan quality, translation quality, editing etc. can be very poor. On September 28 2017 00:32 Lackbleeder wrote: **Or in some cases the previous adaptation. Too many people just refuse to watch the LotGH OVA's because ew old art and will watch the remake instead even if there's a large enough chance that it's going to be inferior and/or incomplete (and then some of said people will beg for more seasons without cheking out the OVA's). I also don't understand this irrational aversion to older anime, and sadly it's the same with live action films and games as well... | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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207aicila
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On September 28 2017 00:46 Numy wrote: I'm not a fan of manga as a medium so I don't go read source after they don't adapt it. Telling people to read the source is awful. This is also true, just because someone is loves a certain medium and/or is a nerd for that medium doesn't mean they feel the same way for everything. There are people who especially love video games and don't read novels, there are people who especially love novels and don't watch films, there are people who especially love films and don't watch TV series etc. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
awwwww. Two people putting New Game!! as AoTS. Sometimes ANN isn't as lost as we all think it is. But seriously though, as much hate as it gets on here. That's the kind of thing I like reading from them. Just to see what other people thought about a series wether I agree with them or not. And with Smarthphone anime I luckily always agree with them: Shit was the worst. I thought it would be fun trash in the beginning but it was just trash. No fun allowed... I don't know what the people behind that thought would happen | ||
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