EPTIt was pretty good. I could empathize with the MC quite easily when he was happy or lonely.
Sugawa end is best end.
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IceHism
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It was pretty good. I could empathize with the MC quite easily when he was happy or lonely. Sugawa end is best end. | ||
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Miragee
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On January 09 2017 21:44 IceHism wrote: Just finished reading onani master Kurosawa. It was pretty good. I could empathize with the MC quite easily when he was happy or lonely. Sugawa end is best end. Yeah, I also thought it was really good. Pretty down to earth on a difficult topic and as you said, it's easy to empathise with the MC. | ||
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Nezgar
Germany535 Posts
On January 09 2017 18:25 felisconcolori wrote: Possibly. But I think if I wanted to watch fiction that had more realistic outcomes (one of the complaints) concerning polyamory, I'd be looking for nonfiction. Part of the point is that it is a fantasy, and that anyone with three brain cells knows it would never happen in reality. Well, highly unlikely - I've known one successful polyamorous group. But they were fairly atypical people. (I'm reminded of someone that was talking about how the fight between Araragi and Karen was clearly allegorical, since highway overpasses were destroyed. To which I was wondering... Why? Why would that make it an animated exaggeration of a more mundane fight? Because vampires, monster cats, pyromaniac tigers, shikigami destroying a house with a finger, a girl with a monkey arm, a ghostly middle schooler that's older than the MC, and a girl becoming a medusa-like enshrined goddess is all fine, but Karen (a noted martial artist) kicking Araragi through a concrete pillar is somehow entirely implausible?) You are probably referring to my remark about that scene, but you are missing the point still. My example was not about how that fight was allegorical but rather about the entirety of that show. The Monogatari series is all about how the characters in it perceive the world around them and the actions in it. The vampires, the monster cats and pyromaniac tigers are all allegories. The shikigami destroying the house with a finger is an allegory. Araragi and cat talk about this in Kizumonogatari and while I cannot exactly quote it, the gist of the conversation is pretty much this: + Show Spoiler [small Kizumonogatari spoiler? idk] + In the beginning of that arc, cat talks about rumors of a vampire and that she would like to meet one. After finding out that Araragi has become a vampire and witnessing the destructive powers of one, Araragi asks her why she wanted to meet a vampire despite knowing how lethal their are. She answers that her wish was not about meeting someone who could/would kill her but rather about having a change of pace; to see something magical in a mundane world. She also stated that she initially didn't even believe in the existence of vampires. I think that sums up the whole of the Monogatari Series and its defining gimmick rather nicely. It's not so much about wish fulfillment or crazy power fantasies as it is the case with overly silly harems... The Monogatari Series is about dressing mundane problems and issues of people growing up or living in modern societies in much more interesting colors and giving them an exotic and fantastical taste. I think that this is a rather important distinction to make. On a completely unrelated note: I started the Winter 2017 season today and first on the list was elDLIVE. I don't even know why or how that ended up on my PTW list though... This show is a strong entry to the "what-is-this-dumb-shit-even?" category. + Show Spoiler [elDLIVE spoiler... I guess] + Alright, I made it this far: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mlYtr8K.png) I just pressed pause at that exact moment and I cannot be bothered to press the resume button. This was just... bad. It started dumb and got progressively worse until a highschooler in a spacesuit stared at a banana with a face... in space. I am done. I guess I should just wait a week and let Miragee filter out all the garbage. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Miragee
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On January 09 2017 22:06 Nezgar wrote: I guess I should just wait a week and let Miragee filter out all the garbage. I'm sorry to say this but that approach is probably not going to work this season. I'm not really feeling excited about watching anime right now. On top of that, after watching tons of shit with a friend last season I don't feel like picking up anything that has a good chance of being terrible or even just about ok. Because of this I ended up with exactly 3 shows on my ptw list for this season: Rakugo s2, ACCA and Kuzu no Honkai. I'm not too sure about Kuzu but the synopsis sounded interesting and the source seems to be good according to some people who read it. I just don't have any trust in Lerche to deliver... | ||
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HolydaKing
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Also watched Little Witch Academia. Episode 1 was a wild ride, pretty fun to watch. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On January 09 2017 21:18 Numy wrote: Sigh one day I'll try get into manga. Hak x Yona must happen. They so perfect for each other ;( Lots of small progress and author teasing. | ||
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Nezgar
Germany535 Posts
On January 09 2017 22:49 Miragee wrote: I'm sorry to say this but that approach is probably not going to work this season. I'm not really feeling excited about watching anime right now. On top of that, after watching tons of shit with a friend last season I don't feel like picking up anything that has a good chance of being terrible or even just about ok. Because of this I ended up with exactly 3 shows on my ptw list for this season: Rakugo s2, ACCA and Kuzu no Honkai. I'm not too sure about Kuzu but the synopsis sounded interesting and the source seems to be good according to some people who read it. I just don't have any trust in Lerche to deliver... So you are going through the same I did last season... Couldn't find the motivation to watch any of the fall shows because nothing sounded even remotely interesting. Skipping Rakugo due to not having watched S1. ACCA is on my PTW list as well but not sure about Kuzu... the Seinen tag is usually a red flag for me which elDLIVE has proven in spectacular fashion once again. | ||
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Miragee
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On January 10 2017 05:24 Nezgar wrote: So you are going through the same I did last season... Couldn't find the motivation to watch any of the fall shows because nothing sounded even remotely interesting. Skipping Rakugo due to not having watched S1. ACCA is on my PTW list as well but not sure about Kuzu... the Seinen tag is usually a red flag for me which elDLIVE has proven in spectacular fashion once again. I think most people have stages where they are like this. Going off my own experience, I will probably regain my enthusiasm sooner or later. Rakugo s1 was pretty good. It wasn't really my cup of tea in terms of enjoyment but the quality was worth the watch. The seinen tag is a mixed bag because it really comes down to what kind of people the show is really aimed at. There are tons of great seinen anime but then again, stuff like K-ON! and basically anything with cute girls doing cute things is tagged as seinen as well. For Kuzu no Honkai: It has a romance tag but not a comedy tag, which is a good sign in my book. The drama tag in connection with the synopsis creates a base for something good (or it might fail horribly). And, as said, the source is supposed to be good. If that's true the only thing between us and a good show is Lerche. We'll see. I will post here once I have watched the first episode. //I just glanced over the DVD sales at the end of the last season. Only Yuri on Ice is in the top 10, lol. It has amazing sales though. Tonari no Totoro on place 6. Like what? | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On January 09 2017 22:06 Nezgar wrote: You are probably referring to my remark about that scene, but you are missing the point still. My example was not about how that fight was allegorical but rather about the entirety of that show. The Monogatari series is all about how the characters in it perceive the world around them and the actions in it. The vampires, the monster cats and pyromaniac tigers are all allegories. The shikigami destroying the house with a finger is an allegory. Araragi and cat talk about this in Kizumonogatari and while I cannot exactly quote it, the gist of the conversation is pretty much this: + Show Spoiler [small Kizumonogatari spoiler? idk] + In the beginning of that arc, cat talks about rumors of a vampire and that she would like to meet one. After finding out that Araragi has become a vampire and witnessing the destructive powers of one, Araragi asks her why she wanted to meet a vampire despite knowing how lethal their are. She answers that her wish was not about meeting someone who could/would kill her but rather about having a change of pace; to see something magical in a mundane world. She also stated that she initially didn't even believe in the existence of vampires. I think that sums up the whole of the Monogatari Series and its defining gimmick rather nicely. It's not so much about wish fulfillment or crazy power fantasies as it is the case with overly silly harems... The Monogatari Series is about dressing mundane problems and issues of people growing up or living in modern societies in much more interesting colors and giving them an exotic and fantastical taste. I think that this is a rather important distinction to make. Is there any statement of such intent from Nisio Isin regarding that is in fact the intent? Because I find it entirely too easy for people to look deeply into a work of art and begin constructing hidden meanings within. (This is probably a residual feeling from several years of English Literature in high school, where a simple poem would be ripped to shreds in order to impart a deep, philosophical meaning from the drunken ramblings of a famous name. Not that there are not likely to be hidden meanings in many works; I just find that people spelunking can often find them where there are none, even in light entertainments and where authors have specifically stated otherwise.) Given that Monogatari, with a few exceptions in the anime (not sure as to the novels) including Kizu are written entirely from the point of view of Araragi, it's difficult for me to accept that these are all allegorical tales depicting fantasies on behest of a character that is herself, long before you get into any of the supernatural aspects of the series, a powerful individual with incredible intelligence. When the main viewpoints of the storytelling do shift, all of the seemingly allegorical scenes do not change to a different depiction, which would be expected if the perception of the individual telling the story is the prime determination of what is to seen or observed. Which is not to say that you are necessarily wrong, or that there is not a metaphorical dressing of modern problems as a central theme of the anime. I simply do not agree that the world which the characters inhabit must by default be free of such fantastical elements, and that any such elements are the result of a wild, contagious outbreak of chuunibyo amongst all of the main characters. It's quite possible to accept that what is shown is valid in the world while from outside of the story it can be determined to be an allegorical tale. Or, are you saying that a bulldozer did in fact strike the front of the Araragi household and cause significant damage, requiring Karen to remark upon it? Did + Show Spoiler + Hanekawa actually suffer a psychotic break, putting both her foster parents into a hospital and then causing other random attacks on other individuals which caused rumours amongst unconnected elementary school children? | ||
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Miragee
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On January 10 2017 07:17 Lackbleeder wrote: That's odd because I've only heard bad things about Kuzu no Honkai (mostly about how all the characters are terrible people). Your mileage may vary Yeah, I forgot where I read that the source is good. Might have been MAL in which case it's probably shit. Will see.^^ | ||
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Nezgar
Germany535 Posts
On January 10 2017 07:31 felisconcolori wrote: Is there any statement of such intent from Nisio Isin regarding that is in fact the intent? Because I find it entirely too easy for people to look deeply into a work of art and begin constructing hidden meanings within. (This is probably a residual feeling from several years of English Literature in high school, where a simple poem would be ripped to shreds in order to impart a deep, philosophical meaning from the drunken ramblings of a famous name. Not that there are not likely to be hidden meanings in many works; I just find that people spelunking can often find them where there are none, even in light entertainments and where authors have specifically stated otherwise.) Given that Monogatari, with a few exceptions in the anime (not sure as to the novels) including Kizu are written entirely from the point of view of Araragi, it's difficult for me to accept that these are all allegorical tales depicting fantasies on behest of a character that is herself, long before you get into any of the supernatural aspects of the series, a powerful individual with incredible intelligence. When the main viewpoints of the storytelling do shift, all of the seemingly allegorical scenes do not change to a different depiction, which would be expected if the perception of the individual telling the story is the prime determination of what is to seen or observed. Which is not to say that you are necessarily wrong, or that there is not a metaphorical dressing of modern problems as a central theme of the anime. I simply do not agree that the world which the characters inhabit must by default be free of such fantastical elements, and that any such elements are the result of a wild, contagious outbreak of chuunibyo amongst all of the main characters. It's quite possible to accept that what is shown is valid in the world while from outside of the story it can be determined to be an allegorical tale. Or, are you saying that a bulldozer did in fact strike the front of the Araragi household and cause significant damage, requiring Karen to remark upon it? Did + Show Spoiler + Hanekawa actually suffer a psychotic break, putting both her foster parents into a hospital and then causing other random attacks on other individuals which caused rumours amongst unconnected elementary school children? I am pretty sure that there was a statement from nisiOisin regarding that, although I have nothing to quote. When the viewpoint of the storytelling shifts, there are indeed quite a few changes. Crab through the viewpoint of cat shows a completely different side of her character than through the viewpoint of Araragi. And the same could be said about the viewpoint of Kaiki. The colors shift, the tone shifts and we suddenly see other people inhabiting the world that are not part of the story - people that are not drawn when looking through the eyes of Araragi. And I think nisiOisin commented on that, saying that there is no talk of other people when looking at the world through Araragi's eyes, because teenagers tend to see themselves as the main character and ignore people who are not part of their story, oblivious to the fact that each other person is the main character in their own story. Even Kaiki himself said that his words should not be trusted when he starts to tell his part of the story. What exactly cat really did is probably subject to speculation. But I don't think that she was causing rumors. The rumors were about a vampire and, later on, about curses spreading through Kaiki... if my memory doesn't fail me. On January 09 2017 22:21 Toadesstern wrote: just watch Demi-chan and be happy like everyone else Only found a shitty 360p version thus far. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On January 10 2017 08:14 Nezgar wrote: What exactly cat really did is probably subject to speculation. But I don't think that she was causing rumors. The rumors were about a vampire and, later on, about curses spreading through Kaiki... if my memory doesn't fail me. Araragi goes looking for Hanekawa at one point because of the rumors that he hears from Karen and Tsukihi, if I recall correctly for that particular story, about a monster running around the city beating people up. Although there are differences in the flashback scenes in Bakemonogatari versus the story as shown in Nekomonogatari Black. There's also the various things that Oshino tells him, and Oshino's being beaten rather soundly. However, looking at the story in such a way that removes the supernatural elements paints a rather... questionable picture of Hanekawa that is quite at odds with her usual personality. To say nothing of the effect on travel times that would entail, and some characters interaction (Shinobu for example becomes a rather questionable thing - she tells characters things that they could not know any other way. And who is readily apparent to Gahara, who has absolutely no reason to expect a blond loli vampire but who comments on her in the stairwell upon first seeing her (yet who cannot see Hachikuji. Unlike Nadeko and her scrunchy, which was very well done in setting up all of the gymnastics to ensure that + Show Spoiler + Nadeko could have known everything that she was told by said scrunchy snake. Of course, following all that, then you have to figure out Ougi. The story itself, as told, I don't think could reasonably hang together without those supernatural elements existing. Unless you instead begin with the assumption that Araragi, upon seeing Hanekawa's underwear in that first scene, completely loses touch with reality and develops an intense delusion including not only visual but auditory hallucinations that somehow people decide to just play along with. (In reality, people don't do so. I know this from personal experience.) | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
Seems to be 4 movies too (on nyaa from Horrible Subs). | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On January 10 2017 08:55 felisconcolori wrote: Araragi goes looking for Hanekawa at one point because of the rumors that he hears from Karen and Tsukihi, if I recall correctly for that particular story, about a monster running around the city beating people up. Although there are differences in the flashback scenes in Bakemonogatari versus the story as shown in Nekomonogatari Black. There's also the various things that Oshino tells him, and Oshino's being beaten rather soundly. However, looking at the story in such a way that removes the supernatural elements paints a rather... questionable picture of Hanekawa that is quite at odds with her usual personality. To say nothing of the effect on travel times that would entail, and some characters interaction (Shinobu for example becomes a rather questionable thing - she tells characters things that they could not know any other way. And who is readily apparent to Gahara, who has absolutely no reason to expect a blond loli vampire but who comments on her in the stairwell upon first seeing her (yet who cannot see Hachikuji. Unlike Nadeko and her scrunchy, which was very well done in setting up all of the gymnastics to ensure that + Show Spoiler + Nadeko could have known everything that she was told by said scrunchy snake. Of course, following all that, then you have to figure out Ougi. The story itself, as told, I don't think could reasonably hang together without those supernatural elements existing. Unless you instead begin with the assumption that Araragi, upon seeing Hanekawa's underwear in that first scene, completely loses touch with reality and develops an intense delusion including not only visual but auditory hallucinations that somehow people decide to just play along with. (In reality, people don't do so. I know this from personal experience.) I don't think they are arguing that there isn't supernatural things in the series? | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On January 10 2017 10:17 Slaughter wrote: I don't think they are arguing that there isn't supernatural things in the series? Nezgar wrote: My example was not about how that fight was allegorical but rather about the entirety of that show. The Monogatari series is all about how the characters in it perceive the world around them and the actions in it. The vampires, the monster cats and pyromaniac tigers are all allegories. The shikigami destroying the house with a finger is an allegory. That would suggest that all of the supernatural elements of the show are allegorical; not reality within the story world itself but merely existing as what the characters perceive in the world. If they're only perception, then what's the reality beneath it all? Hanekawa is just a schizophrenic psychopath, Nadeko is a self deluded girl capable of living alone for months and with some extreme yandere tendencies, Ougi, Shinobu, and Hachikuji all don't exist but somehow impact the world, Kanbaru is an athletic exhibitionist lesbian with anger issues and a fondness for bondage wrapping only one arm, Senjou is a sadist/dominatrix... The concept that what we are seeing in the story is illusory and used as a mask over what is actually happening underneath the perceptions of the characters makes the world beneath a rather more dark place than necessary. If the story (as viewed from outside) is allegorical, that's one thing. The internal story remains consistent and allows for the existence of all the supernatural bits. But if the story internally is allegorical, in that the reality is different from what each character themselves is viewing, the supernatural bits themselves are suspect and the reality is that everyone seems caught in a shared delusion. Which may be, as the aberrations themselves only seem to effect those that perceive them. (Addressed during Nekomonogatari Shiro.) However, multiple people share similar perceptions of the same phenomenon - which causes me to think that the supernatural does exist within the world. In which case... I don't see an issue with Yotsugi actually blasting the front door of Araragi's house in. Or any number of other rather extravagant depictions of events. Unrelated to the above: Gabriel Drop Out is... not spectacular. But was funny. Further Addendum: If for any reason you were thinking of watching Spiritpact - don't. | ||
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goody153
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On January 09 2017 22:21 Toadesstern wrote: just watch Demi-chan and be happy like everyone else is that SoL ? liek the standard happy SoL | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 10 2017 13:57 goody153 wrote: is that SoL ? liek the standard happy SoL yeah it is | ||
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