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On June 06 2016 15:32 Toadesstern wrote:
I do wonder why the MC in ReZero is super buff though. He's supposed to be this nerdy shut-in guy transported to another world and he's apparently lifting and super good at fighting. Just strikes me as somewhat odd since that's not really fitting with the rest.
But then again, we shouldn't complain about going against stereotypes I guess.
Oh also I'm a bit confused about the characters. If someone here is reading the LNs, is the blond thief-girl from the start ever going to come back? Really didn't feel like a one-off character to me at the time... but it doesn't look like we'll ever see her again at this point lol
It's the SAO syndrome. Honestly, it's astounding how similar these two shows are in how they are made. All the crap people are calling SAO out for is in this show as well to varrying degrees, but partly even more of it than in SAO.
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On June 06 2016 15:38 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 15:32 Toadesstern wrote:
I do wonder why the MC in ReZero is super buff though. He's supposed to be this nerdy shut-in guy transported to another world and he's apparently lifting and super good at fighting. Just strikes me as somewhat odd since that's not really fitting with the rest.
But then again, we shouldn't complain about going against stereotypes I guess.
Oh also I'm a bit confused about the characters. If someone here is reading the LNs, is the blond thief-girl from the start ever going to come back? Really didn't feel like a one-off character to me at the time... but it doesn't look like we'll ever see her again at this point lol It's the SAO syndrome. Honestly, it's astounding how similar these two shows are in how they are made. All the crap people are calling SAO out for is in this show as well to varrying degrees, but partly even more of it than in SAO.
because grim-dark~
and like I said earlier, for me it's really standing out mostly due to production which seems amazing. I don't think I like the actual content of the show but they know how to bring the best of it out on the screen. That's probably true for SAO as well.
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On June 06 2016 15:36 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 17:05 HolydaKing wrote:On June 05 2016 16:27 Miragee wrote:On June 05 2016 15:27 HolydaKing wrote:On June 05 2016 02:50 Miragee wrote:
Kiznaiver ep9 went right over the edge. :D
Wow, you are right. That was astounding. I wonder if anyone is liking Chidori btw? Ugh... + Show Spoiler +Tenga loves her. Or were you talking about people watching the show? If yes, it doesn't matter. Tenga is like the only reasonable guy in the bunch and the rest is meh. I don't think Chidori sticks out very much. + Show Spoiler [Kiznaiver] +Yeah, I guess. I was just a little annoyed how she's always loving the MC so much despite him obviously not liking her back since forever. MC fits better to Nori-chan, they're both messed up. Also... Tenga reasonable? He's pretty crazy and a little quick to resort to violence, but I guess he fits perfectly in this anime. In the end, if I had to pick a favourite char out of the bunch, it would still be Tenga.
The cringe was real this episode, everything felt so forced. But I can't say I didn't enjoy it. + Show Spoiler [Kiznaiver] +Of course it felt forced. The entire premise is a social and psychological experiment on adolescent kids at a time when hormones are high, emotions and who you like are the center of the universe, and also they grew up in a city full of freakish mascots. Aside from Chidori's feelings for Mr. Stoic, everything else came about because of the forced closeness and sharing as a result of the experiment. It's accelerated bond forming, forced relationships, and also group therapy from hell. Chidori was probably never going to have any rival in the normal course of events, but now they've all been forced together and Nori-chan comes back from Kachon's distant childhood (which is probably when he got lobotomized during the original experiment). Add copious amounts of "shaky bridge" and people looking for someone that is looking elsewhere (as well as at least two people with extreme antisocial issues). The surprise isn't that it falls apart the way it has; what's more surprising is that the researchers are so clueless in general that they wouldn't have seen it coming long before they did it.
Then again, I'm cynical in general about human social interactions and the foundation of minor lies that makes it so we aren't all stabbing everyone else all day so I might have a skewed perspective.
+ Show Spoiler +The last couple of episodes gave me the impression they know exactly what they are doing to those kids. They just want the results that come from it. As shown in the scene with the two teachers where the woman wanted to end it but the man tried to stop her. They know its a volatile situation and those extreme emotions are what drives their results so there is an increased bond through the Kiznaiver surgery. The male teacher basically just set all this up.
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On June 06 2016 15:38 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 15:32 Toadesstern wrote:
I do wonder why the MC in ReZero is super buff though. He's supposed to be this nerdy shut-in guy transported to another world and he's apparently lifting and super good at fighting. Just strikes me as somewhat odd since that's not really fitting with the rest.
But then again, we shouldn't complain about going against stereotypes I guess.
Oh also I'm a bit confused about the characters. If someone here is reading the LNs, is the blond thief-girl from the start ever going to come back? Really didn't feel like a one-off character to me at the time... but it doesn't look like we'll ever see her again at this point lol It's the SAO syndrome. Honestly, it's astounding how similar these two shows are in how they are made. All the crap people are calling SAO out for is in this show as well to varrying degrees, but partly even more of it than in SAO.
I don't think the mc is particularly good at fighting. He said he consistently worked out and (I think) he said he did some martial arts. We really didn't get too much background into who he was before anyway. So while his level is slightly exaggerated its not overly so. He does after all lose all his battles vs anyone competent. He mostly is using his knowledge to maneuver the OP people around him into place to clean up (some of it being luck like when felt found the super strong swordsman who took care of the assassin).
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On June 06 2016 15:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 15:38 Miragee wrote:On June 06 2016 15:32 Toadesstern wrote:
I do wonder why the MC in ReZero is super buff though. He's supposed to be this nerdy shut-in guy transported to another world and he's apparently lifting and super good at fighting. Just strikes me as somewhat odd since that's not really fitting with the rest.
But then again, we shouldn't complain about going against stereotypes I guess.
Oh also I'm a bit confused about the characters. If someone here is reading the LNs, is the blond thief-girl from the start ever going to come back? Really didn't feel like a one-off character to me at the time... but it doesn't look like we'll ever see her again at this point lol It's the SAO syndrome. Honestly, it's astounding how similar these two shows are in how they are made. All the crap people are calling SAO out for is in this show as well to varrying degrees, but partly even more of it than in SAO. because grim-dark~ and like I said earlier, for me it's really standing out mostly due to production which seems amazing. I don't think I like the actual content of the show but they know how to bring the best of it out on the screen. That's probably true for SAO as well.
Yeah, SAO had good production. Although I would argue that it isn't outstanding in both cases. The directing is rather mediocre and the animation is fine imho. I don't know what people see here. SAO had the soundtrack going for it.
On June 06 2016 15:47 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 15:38 Miragee wrote:On June 06 2016 15:32 Toadesstern wrote:
I do wonder why the MC in ReZero is super buff though. He's supposed to be this nerdy shut-in guy transported to another world and he's apparently lifting and super good at fighting. Just strikes me as somewhat odd since that's not really fitting with the rest.
But then again, we shouldn't complain about going against stereotypes I guess.
Oh also I'm a bit confused about the characters. If someone here is reading the LNs, is the blond thief-girl from the start ever going to come back? Really didn't feel like a one-off character to me at the time... but it doesn't look like we'll ever see her again at this point lol It's the SAO syndrome. Honestly, it's astounding how similar these two shows are in how they are made. All the crap people are calling SAO out for is in this show as well to varrying degrees, but partly even more of it than in SAO. I don't think the mc is particularly good at fighting. He said he consistently worked out and (I think) he said he did some martial arts. We really didn't get too much background into who he was before anyway. So while his level is slightly exaggerated its not overly so. He does after all lose all his battles vs anyone competent. He mostly is using his knowledge to maneuver the OP people around him into place to clean up (some of it being luck like when felt found the super strong swordsman who took care of the assassin).
It's rather that he is more powerful than he should be. Remember the first episodes when he is surprised how strong he is in this world? Oh and he has magical talent for no reason? And he has this random power so he can't die but rerolls. Btw. Kirito was tons of levels ahead of everyone because he played the beta that was said multiple times as well.
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? he has magic 0 talent. They said that everyone in that world has a base level of mana and an element so hes nothing special. In fact he was outright terrible at it when he tried. He really isn't strong lol his most impressive fight was when he surprised those thugs that one time and beat them (he lost the other times). His ability isn't anything outside the norm of someone who is athletic and has some martial arts knowledge since the best he can manage is to beat street thugs by striking hard and fast to catch them off guard. The only thing is his return by death ability and that will be revealed later.
Don't really see the comparison to Kirito here who literally solves any and all problems solo.
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On June 06 2016 16:03 Slaughter wrote:
? he has magic 0 talent. They said that everyone in that world has a base level of mana and an element so hes nothing special. In fact he was outright terrible at it when he tried. He really isn't strong lol his most impressive fight was when he surprised those thugs that one time and beat them (he lost the other times). His ability isn't anything outside the norm of someone who is athletic and has some martial arts knowledge since the best he can manage is to beat street thugs by striking hard and fast to catch them off guard. The only thing is his return by death ability and that will be revealed later.
+ Show Spoiler +When he is trained and so on, why is he surprised at his strength? He even say before he tries "characters teleported to a game are super strong, aren't they?". Of course other characters are much stronger than him. He is just stronger than he should be. As for magical talent: They said in one ep where Puck tested his magic talent (as you mentioned, everyone has this) that he has talent in shadow magic, which is amazingly rare. For no reason.
I hope you understand that I'm cynic here. It's because people here love to bash SAO and then go on and love a show like Re: Zero that takes the same weak conveniences and uses them in a slightly different manner which suddenly makes them reasonable. Somehow.
//The comparison comes from what people say: They say Kirito is OP for no reason. Re: Zero's MC also has talents and OP abilities for no reason. But apparently, because he is still weak and loses fights, that's perfectly ok.
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I don't think he's Kirito levels at all. In fact I'd also say it's more like what we see in Monogatari in that IF there's going to be a head-on fight involving the MC it's going to be a landslide loss (excluding the one fight with Hachikuji that Araragi actually won) . So I don't really see that.
But I don't think he should be working out, physically strong and have done martial arts in the first place. As in I don't think that fits the shut-in neet (was he a neet?) they're going for all too much. Yeah there's always exceptions so it doesn't bother me all too much but if they're going for that I would have liked some more backstory on that. We might still get that later on, idk.
I don't actually think he's a bad MC at all. Just a bit odd and like I said, ReZero for me is top2 or top1 alongside flying witch this season.
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On June 06 2016 16:13 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 16:03 Slaughter wrote:
? he has magic 0 talent. They said that everyone in that world has a base level of mana and an element so hes nothing special. In fact he was outright terrible at it when he tried. He really isn't strong lol his most impressive fight was when he surprised those thugs that one time and beat them (he lost the other times). His ability isn't anything outside the norm of someone who is athletic and has some martial arts knowledge since the best he can manage is to beat street thugs by striking hard and fast to catch them off guard. The only thing is his return by death ability and that will be revealed later. + Show Spoiler +When he is trained and so on, why is he surprised at his strength? He even say before he tries "characters teleported to a game are super strong, aren't they?". Of course other characters are much stronger than him. He is just stronger than he should be. As for magical talent: They said in one ep where Puck tested his magic talent (as you mentioned, everyone has this) that he has talent in shadow magic, which is amazingly rare. For no reason. I hope you understand that I'm cynic here. It's because people here love to bash SAO and then go on and love a show like Re: Zero that takes the same weak conveniences and uses them in a slightly different manner which suddenly makes them reasonable. Somehow. //The comparison comes from what people say: They say Kirito is OP for no reason. Re: Zero's MC also has talents and OP abilities for no reason. But apparently, because he is still weak and loses fights, that's perfectly ok.
+ Show Spoiler [Subaru's magic] +Come on, it's not hard to see why he has talents in shadow magic. It HAS to be related to the witch, anything else would be a surprise to me. So in the end he might never be able to cast a shadow spell while still having talents in shadow magic because of the witch.
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On June 06 2016 16:13 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 16:03 Slaughter wrote:
? he has magic 0 talent. They said that everyone in that world has a base level of mana and an element so hes nothing special. In fact he was outright terrible at it when he tried. He really isn't strong lol his most impressive fight was when he surprised those thugs that one time and beat them (he lost the other times). His ability isn't anything outside the norm of someone who is athletic and has some martial arts knowledge since the best he can manage is to beat street thugs by striking hard and fast to catch them off guard. The only thing is his return by death ability and that will be revealed later. + Show Spoiler +When he is trained and so on, why is he surprised at his strength? He even say before he tries "characters teleported to a game are super strong, aren't they?". Of course other characters are much stronger than him. He is just stronger than he should be. As for magical talent: They said in one ep where Puck tested his magic talent (as you mentioned, everyone has this) that he has talent in shadow magic, which is amazingly rare. For no reason. I hope you understand that I'm cynic here. It's because people here love to bash SAO and then go on and love a show like Re: Zero that takes the same weak conveniences and uses them in a slightly different manner which suddenly makes them reasonable. Somehow. //The comparison comes from what people say: They say Kirito is OP for no reason. Re: Zero's MC also has talents and OP abilities for no reason. But apparently, because he is still weak and loses fights, that's perfectly ok.
Again. How is he stronger then he should be? Because he was chunni'ing out at his "adventure" at the start? What evidence besides him muttering a few things is there of this? He has literally lost every fight except when he sucker punched those thugs. Despite him being in fair shape muscle wise he has like 0 stamina and is always out of breath. He hasn't shown anything indicating he is stronger then a normal kid who has a bit of muscle on him from lifting.
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*sigh* Did you even read my post? "For no reason" is the important part, not how powerful he is. Hell, don't people usually love OP MCs if it's justified? For example, most people here love Katanagatari, don't they? The MC is OP as fuck but it's well reasoned within the universe I suppose. I brought Kirito up as example because people here usually bash him for being OP for no reason, which isn't even entirely true. Now Re: Zero's MC has some things for no reason but that's fine because he isn't OP (arguably because I think being able to reroll once you die is pretty OP). Would it be ok if he was UP for no reason? I personally think the "for no reason" part is a huge issue because it shows the author didn't think it through.
There are also other things comparable to SAO that usually get criticised. For example, most characters will love the MC and help him more than they would help a random character without much or any effort from the MC.
@Holy: + Show Spoiler +Yeah, of course it's because of the witch. I also don't think that it has any further relevance to the story. It was just to show that he is connected to the witch in some way. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt in this regard until the last episode aired.
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Yes I did read your post. I just don't think he has any abilities besides his rez ability that is "for no reason" because his abilities are....normal teenager level. He doesn't have anything to begin with 'for no reason'. Unless your super caught up on the fact that he is a teenager who works out?
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+ Show Spoiler +Oh man, he even says he is stronger in this world than he is in real life. Which shows every episode. I mean it's ok if you forgot about the beginning episodes but even in the most recent episode he plugged his sword into a wall in free fall and stopped it with one hand _while_ having Ram on his shoulder. Even the sword breaks. Of course just normal teenager level. lol
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I'd say that's on par with most MCs.
SAO level OP would be doing that while doing a backflip midair only to land on your feet after he threw the remainder of the broken sword to headshot one of the dogs.
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Kirito probably skilled proc chance on falling damage for "head-shoting" enemies with broken swords with his spare skillpoints though.
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On June 06 2016 15:29 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 13:07 BigFan wrote:On June 06 2016 12:52 Slaughter wrote:On June 06 2016 07:19 HolydaKing wrote:
You know you love an anime when a 20 ish min episode feels like 5 minutes. Awesome episode again @ ReZero. Can't get enough of it. It is clearly the aots for me and its carrying this whole season on its back. It's certainly not for me lol. Macross Delta, Boku no Academia, Gakusen s2 and a couple of others are just as entertaining to watch as ReZero this season  I'm not watching Macross and Boku no Academia is entertaining, but the characters are really not my cup of tea. + Show Spoiler +The MC is crying every 2nd time he is on screen. Bakugo is the worst though, his personality makes no sense. He's mad 100% of the time, just look at his face how stupid he looks, even when he isn't hating on the MC. Frog girl and the class rep are decent though. As for Gakusen, I'm not nearly enjoying it as much, it's good though. ReZero for me is nearly perfect entertainment so far. I'm interested in the world (magic, races etc.) and the characters (MC is decent/good, the others are great), while the action is nice recently and imo it's really exiciting because + Show Spoiler +the MC isn't overpowered and can and does fail to achieve what he wants, so you never know what happens next. And I don't mind if he has to restart, imo the show has done all of the restarts pretty nicely so far, without showing much repeating stuff and each restart we learned something different (if paying attention, at least).
+ Show Spoiler [Boku] +Well, I think that's mainly because he's always seen himself as inferior to ours since he was a kid due to being quirkless and it's rough to get out of that mindset. That and if you're facing life and death situations, it's easy to get scared and cry as well. I don't understand Bakugo's personality either, maybe more will be revealed later on. The idea is that he's this childhood friend who sees himself as the best and is very arrogant and egotistical but has a lot of talent as well. Do keep in mind that he was constantly told that he's amazing since he was a kid so that explains part of it.
On June 06 2016 17:29 Miragee wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh man, he even says he is stronger in this world than he is in real life. Which shows every episode. I mean it's ok if you forgot about the beginning episodes but even in the most recent episode he plugged his sword into a wall in free fall and stopped it with one hand _while_ having Ram on his shoulder. Even the sword breaks. Of course just normal teenager level. lol
I gotta agree with Slaughter here. Personally, I think you're overanalyzing? it. + Show Spoiler +Also, adrenaline can be a possible answer and we don't really know how heavy Ram and the sword are
Also, I never personally bashed SAO though I do think the second half of it was poorly done (felt rushed, boring world etc...).
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On June 06 2016 17:43 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 17:29 Miragee wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Oh man, he even says he is stronger in this world than he is in real life. Which shows every episode. I mean it's ok if you forgot about the beginning episodes but even in the most recent episode he plugged his sword into a wall in free fall and stopped it with one hand _while_ having Ram on his shoulder. Even the sword breaks. Of course just normal teenager level. lol I gotta agree with Slaughter here. Personally, I think you're overanalyzing? it. + Show Spoiler +Also, adrenaline can be a possible answer and we don't really know how heavy Ram and the sword are . I agree that ReZero isn't anything special if you consider the story but I think it's the combination of characters, mystery aspect etc... that a lot of viewers love. Also, I never personally bashed SAO though I do think the second half of it was poorly done (felt rushed, boring world etc...).
+ Show Spoiler +Adrenaline doesn't make you joints and bones any more stable. If the sword breaks surely you would at least end up with a dislocated shoulder, wouldn't you? I mean, try it out yourself. Jump a cliff and after 5 meters of fall, ram a sword into the cliff and see what happens. I am pretty sure, even if you manage to get the sword deep enough into the cliff to hold you, you wouldn't be able to hold on to the sword with your own weight alone.
Anyways, this is going off-topic.
Btw. I never said SAO was good or anything. I thought it was about ok overall. It did some things well and some things very poorly. I was just wondering why a lot of people here bash SAO, yet Re: Zero is somehow amazing. For the record, I don't hate Re: Zero, either. It's probably on the same level as SAO for me: about ok.
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I think you are looking at this too hard. ReZero MC has the "reset" ability mostly because the story was partly made to see him suffer as much as possible since most other narou isekai story basically has MC stomping people.
Also, anime physics is doing their work here.
I don't think anyone here bashes sao really hard except Numy? I don't see him posting about rezero. Its mostly ignored since people don't care about it. I think sao is fine but prob cause I read it.
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I should like this episode because it has the most suffering to date and okada can usually write melodrama.
But this was pretty weak and the artificialness of the setting doesn't help at all. Felt like okada didn't go all the way here. And the last three episodes will be about concluding everything so there probably won't be any more sad moments
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I don't bash on SAO that hard. I just ignore it mostly,except when Sawashiro plays Sword Ass Online. I bash on Index really hard though coz I actually like the world and people actually think MC is good  . No idea what ReZero is.
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On June 06 2016 17:43 BigFan wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Boku] +Well, I think that's mainly because he's always seen himself as inferior to ours since he was a kid due to being quirkless and it's rough to get out of that mindset. That and if you're facing life and death situations, it's easy to get scared and cry as well. I don't understand Bakugo's personality either, maybe more will be revealed later on. The idea is that he's this childhood friend who sees himself as the best and is very arrogant and egotistical but has a lot of talent as well. Do keep in mind that he was constantly told that he's amazing since he was a kid so that explains part of it.
Boku no Hero is great. It's just a well done, enjoyable shounen. I also wouldn't really characterize Deku as someone who's always crying. I feel like the 'tears' are a shorthand the mangaka uses to show Deku's fear or unease in a situation, then he hardens his resolve, conquers his fears and YOLOs it up.
It's also been pretty a recurring theme, and its especially apparent in this most recent episode that through his actions Deku is very good at inspiring confidence and action in his classmates. I wouldn't really call a character like that 'someone who cries all the time'.
Bakugo is weird. He suffers from 'high school bully sociopath syndrome' where to show that he's a 'bad guy' and a cross for Deku to bear, his asshole factor is cranked up to 11. I'd guess that he'll either mellow out, or flip and become a villain before Deku punches some friendship into him.
@ ReZero v SAO
You guys are crazy. SAO and ReZero have completely different narrative structures/genres. SAO is predominantly battle/combat focused, and ReZero is about the mystery, it just looks violent because, well, death is violent.
SAO was about getting enough +1 levelups and winning through martial strength.
ReZero is about figuring out the mystery and for Subaru, social maneuvering to have actual combat-focused people there to do the conflicts for him.
Though I'd say that Subaru's general disregard for his own life (hey, I'll just loop) means that he needlessly puts himself INTO the combat situations that he should probably be avoiding.
+ Show Spoiler [As for this ReZero episode] +He survives!. Puck continues to be the best. I think it'd probably make more sense/be more pragmatic for Subaru to scrub this loop and just let the curse kill him than to tromp through the forest killing dogs. Waste of effort/expose yourself to pain. But on the other hand it doesn't actually matter since he either lives or dies, but from a 'min/max' point of view it'd probably be better to go back, do things per normal, and then when at the village kill the little dog/point out that the barrier has been damaged or something.
Also is there a mis-translation at the end? Ram says that Rem needs a knock to her horn to snap her out of her crazed demon mode, so Subaru decides to unsheathe the sword and chop it off. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep the sword sheathed and use it more like a club, you know, instead of disfiguring Rem permanently.
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