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Daughter confirmed. That much was expected. Her being Dr. Shiki's "imposter" was also expected.
I thought the cart was used as the escape, and that the body was for the shock factor to enable said escape. I guess it was only intended to draw attention away from the elevator?
The whole timeshift thing explains why the escape wasn't recorded, but it doesn't explain why the guard didn't catch the door opening.
The rationale behind the robot is dumb. Its only use is to unlock a door? Come on.
On December 04 2015 10:25 Sentenal wrote: As far as Kayano Ai voicing Mikono... Didn't everyone hate her? IIRC Zessica was the fan favorite.
that's already pretty depressing right there.
is probably the only one that looks reasonably cute.
And I have no idea how this: is even supposed to work for a HanaKana char
"A strict and serious student that shows disgust towards the opposite sex; she claims that men are unneeded to battle the Abductors."... I guess not even boobs and glasses can save that
On December 04 2015 20:49 ShurykaN wrote: Did you seriously just say that Hunter x Hunter has better dialogue than Bakemonogatari? I can only feel sad that you are unable to appreciate the masterpiece that is Bakemonogatari to its fullest potential.
Partly, yes. The highs of HxH are definitely higher than those of Bakemonogatari and there are a lot more characters that are able to hold intelligent conversations in HxH, percentage-wise. Obviously HxH didn't have great dialouge all the way through but I didn't expect that anyways because it's a shounen and has other driving forces going for it when there is shitty dialouge.
On December 04 2015 21:14 Miragee wrote: The highs of HxH are definitely higher than those of Bakemonogatari
No.
Well it doesn't really make sense to compare them because they're different genres and have different styles like Testie and you said but in terms of pure conversations there is no way that Hunter x Hunter wins. Bakemonogatari is based entirely around the storytelling and conversations. HxH is 90% "you've activated my trap card, taste my special nen power and watch me outsmart you!! Look at all these dramatic emotional things that happened!" iirc the highest intellectual conversation was that chess/checkers game thing and that was no where close to the banter that monogatari has. Sure the things that happen might be more heartwrenching or moral dilemma-y but the dialogue isn't better.
Daughter confirmed. That much was expected. Her being Dr. Shiki's "imposter" was also expected.
I thought the cart was used as the escape, and that the body was for the shock factor to enable said escape. I guess it was only intended to draw attention away from the elevator?
The whole timeshift thing explains why the escape wasn't recorded, but it doesn't explain why the guard didn't catch the door opening.
The rationale behind the robot is dumb. Its only use is to unlock a door? Come on.
Yes but actually watching the footage having a full minute missing would lead to an obvious jump forward 1 min. Unless everyone there froze in place and didn't move for a full minute the footage should have had an obvious point where it skipped forward.
In regards to monogatari dialogue, apparently us plebs who don't know Japanese miss most of the cleverness if the dialogue anyway. Which is why the God damn LNS aren't fullyou translated because it's so hard to do apparently.
I'm with gigguk on that one (and he's not even a fan of the show):
you apparently need to be logged in because 18+, wtf?
But while my decription of the series makes it sound like the concept for the worlds dullest anime, the main strength of the show is actually in its dialogue. Since it's a series that relies heavily on mind-bogglingly complex and engaging character interactions. Both Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari have some of the most well written, witty, funny and engaging dialogue I've ever seen. It's full of wordplay, popcult references and sarcasm [which btw, does pretty much not exist in JP], while the quirky artstyle and visuals combined make it some sort of symphony of dialogue and colour. It's a very interesting experience to say the least and not something everyone would be able to appreciate. But I definitely give it a compliment that I can describe the whole thing as "people talking shit to each other". It's it being the most interesting and engaging shit that has ever been talked.
The dialogue is incredibly good for sure. It's just that it's nothing important being discussed for the most part. It's just "normal" conversations without being about some big, dramatical event or story. So if you need that for the conversation to be interesting then maybe that's what's missing for you?
On December 04 2015 07:47 Miragee wrote: The dialouge is starting to get old in Bakemonogatari. Dunno, feels very formulaic and repetitive, despite it's unique tone in the beginning. I'll be honest and say that I'm bored. That the story is quite predictable so far doesn't help, either. Oh well, one episode left.
Bakemonogatari has a story?
I think the short stories in each arc about the girls count as stories.
Bakemonogatari serves more as an introduction to most of the main cast. A core theme is "you can only help yourself"(what's the actual saying miragee?:<) which if you were paying attention to you'd realize the only girl shown so far that actually has done this is Hitagi so outside of her it's just introducing the cast and their issues. If you aren't enjoying it now then you won't enjoy it later really. It's all about the girls talking smack to each other mostly.
How did episode 12 make you blow your load everywhere then grin like an idiot for months? Crab what a Goddess dammit.
Eh, I'm not good with sayings in english but you are probably looking for something akin to "you can only change yourself" (yeah, I just exchanged one word...). I think there are a lot of sayings around that sentiment.
It's actually quite sad if I think about it but Hitagi was the only one carrying the show. I enjoyed all the conversations involving her. The conversations with all the other characters were quite plain and, as I said, felt formulaic and repetitive. Long parts of them felt like stupid one-liner banters from battle shounens with adjusted context. Well, Oshino was decent as well but he had even less screen time than Hitagi I think. Maybe I set my expectations a bit too high but when I think of series with great, engaging dialouge I think of shows like GitS, Spice & Wolf, LotGH, HxH and such. The only character that got close to that level was Hitagi and she didn't even have partner on her level because everyone else had the esteemed intellect of a toast. Welp, I guess I'm a bit too salty right now because I expected engaging dialouge the whole way through from a dialouge driven show but didn't get that. I will wait a bit and assess the whole thing again then but right now I'm not feeling like continuing with the Monogatari series.
Was ep12 the one with the date? If yes, that was great imho.
I asked you the saying because it's what Oshino repeats constantly throughout Bake :<. Yea ep 12 was the date one.
The thing about shows like S&W and LoGH is that the dialogue can be both good or bad depending on what viewpoint you look at it from. LoGH dialogue is very surreal and "preachy" at times. If you enjoy that kind of thing which I do then you'll find it good but if you were looking for more realistic dialogue than it won't necessarily appeal to you.
S&W and Monogatari are on a similiar coin in that regard. Fast "witty" dialogue that again isn't particularly realistic. Monagatari has the added advantage in this in that it feels more like what my friends and I sometimes do in conversation. All of us sitting there with snappy one liners to try shit talk the other person. It's just Monogatari takes this to the extreme and then it also sometimes goes into LoGH territory in that it starts becoming preachy with regard to ideology. I don't think any of these shows have weak dialogue, merely different in the way they approach it.
@Toad - That vid may be NSFW as it's thumbnail is the bath scene with shinobu lolololol. Such a scene. Idk why Nise gets so much flak.
But while my decription of the series makes it sound like the concept for the worlds dullest anime, the main strength of the show is actually in its dialogue. Since it's a series that relies heavily on mind-bogglingly complex and engaging character interactions. Both Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari have some of the most well written, witty, funny and engaging dialogue I've ever seen. It's full of wordplay, popcult references and sarcasm [which btw, does pretty much not exist in JP], while the quirky artstyle and visuals combined make it some sort of symphony of dialogue and colour. It's a very interesting experience to say the least and not something everyone would be able to appreciate. But I definitely give it a compliment that I can describe the whole thing as "people talking shit to each other". It's it being the most interesting and engaging shit that has ever been talked.
The dialogue is incredibly good for sure. It's just that it's nothing important being discussed for the most part. It's just "normal" conversations without being about some big, dramatical event or story. So if you need that for the conversation to be interesting then maybe that's what's missing for you?
Daughter confirmed. That much was expected. Her being Dr. Shiki's "imposter" was also expected.
I thought the cart was used as the escape, and that the body was for the shock factor to enable said escape. I guess it was only intended to draw attention away from the elevator?
The whole timeshift thing explains why the escape wasn't recorded, but it doesn't explain why the guard didn't catch the door opening.
The rationale behind the robot is dumb. Its only use is to unlock a door? Come on.
Yes but actually watching the footage having a full minute missing would lead to an obvious jump forward 1 min. Unless everyone there froze in place and didn't move for a full minute the footage should have had an obvious point where it skipped forward.
In regards to monogatari dialogue, apparently us plebs who don't know Japanese miss most of the cleverness if the dialogue anyway. Which is why the God damn LNS aren't fullyou translated because it's so hard to do apparently.
some of it for sure. But the japanese original + english attempt at translations (for the anime) combined usually make you realize what they were getting at for the most part even if you hadn't realized it on your own. And then there's stuff that works quite well. You don't have to know anything about it to watch Hachikuji's first arc, listen to what Hitagi says, perhaps be slightly bored at that point and when they reveal that Hitagi never was able to see Hachikuji you go back to check on what she said and come to see that every single line of her had another meaning that way. That works in english as well.
fml, wanted to edit that into my previous post, not quote myself
On December 04 2015 21:14 Miragee wrote: The highs of HxH are definitely higher than those of Bakemonogatari
No.
Well it doesn't really make sense to compare them because they're different genres and have different styles like Testie and you said but in terms of pure conversations there is no way that Hunter x Hunter wins. Bakemonogatari is based entirely around the storytelling and conversations. HxH is 90% "you've activated my trap card, taste my special nen power and watch me outsmart you!! Look at all these dramatic emotional things that happened!" iirc the highest intellectual conversation was that chess/checkers game thing and that was no where close to the banter that monogatari has. Sure the things that happen might be more heartwrenching or moral dilemma-y but the dialogue isn't better.
You probably didn't watch any of the Hunter Election arc then. I think that one was the best in terms of dialouge in all of HxH. The phantom troupe arc was quite decent in that regard as well.
On December 04 2015 07:47 Miragee wrote: The dialouge is starting to get old in Bakemonogatari. Dunno, feels very formulaic and repetitive, despite it's unique tone in the beginning. I'll be honest and say that I'm bored. That the story is quite predictable so far doesn't help, either. Oh well, one episode left.
Bakemonogatari has a story?
I think the short stories in each arc about the girls count as stories.
Bakemonogatari serves more as an introduction to most of the main cast. A core theme is "you can only help yourself"(what's the actual saying miragee?:<) which if you were paying attention to you'd realize the only girl shown so far that actually has done this is Hitagi so outside of her it's just introducing the cast and their issues. If you aren't enjoying it now then you won't enjoy it later really. It's all about the girls talking smack to each other mostly.
How did episode 12 make you blow your load everywhere then grin like an idiot for months? Crab what a Goddess dammit.
Eh, I'm not good with sayings in english but you are probably looking for something akin to "you can only change yourself" (yeah, I just exchanged one word...). I think there are a lot of sayings around that sentiment.
It's actually quite sad if I think about it but Hitagi was the only one carrying the show. I enjoyed all the conversations involving her. The conversations with all the other characters were quite plain and, as I said, felt formulaic and repetitive. Long parts of them felt like stupid one-liner banters from battle shounens with adjusted context. Well, Oshino was decent as well but he had even less screen time than Hitagi I think. Maybe I set my expectations a bit too high but when I think of series with great, engaging dialouge I think of shows like GitS, Spice & Wolf, LotGH, HxH and such. The only character that got close to that level was Hitagi and she didn't even have partner on her level because everyone else had the esteemed intellect of a toast. Welp, I guess I'm a bit too salty right now because I expected engaging dialouge the whole way through from a dialouge driven show but didn't get that. I will wait a bit and assess the whole thing again then but right now I'm not feeling like continuing with the Monogatari series.
Was ep12 the one with the date? If yes, that was great imho.
I asked you the saying because it's what Oshino repeats constantly throughout Bake :<. Yea ep 12 was the date one.
The thing about shows like S&W and LoGH is that the dialogue can be both good or bad depending on what viewpoint you look at it from. LoGH dialogue is very surreal and "preachy" at times. If you enjoy that kind of thing which I do then you'll find it good but if you were looking for more realistic dialogue than it won't necessarily appeal to you.
S&W and Monogatari are on a similiar coin in that regard. Fast "witty" dialogue that again isn't particularly realistic. Monagatari has the added advantage in this in that it feels more like what my friends and I sometimes do in conversation. All of us sitting there with snappy one liners to try shit talk the other person. It's just Monogatari takes this to the extreme and then it also sometimes goes into LoGH territory in that it starts becoming preachy with regard to ideology. I don't think any of these shows have weak dialogue, merely different in the way they approach it.
Well, that's exactly the problem. I don't think any of the conversations are particularly witty, except for those including Hitagi or Oshino. When I want shitty, realisitic dialouge with stupid one-liners and a dose of wittyness I will meet up with my friends and do just that. I don't watch shows for an artificial, worse version of my own life.
But while my decription of the series makes it sound like the concept for the worlds dullest anime, the main strength of the show is actually in its dialogue. Since it's a series that relies heavily on mind-bogglingly complex and engaging character interactions. Both Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari have some of the most well written, witty, funny and engaging dialogue I've ever seen. It's full of wordplay, popcult references and sarcasm [which btw, does pretty much not exist in JP], while the quirky artstyle and visuals combined make it some sort of symphony of dialogue and colour. It's a very interesting experience to say the least and not something everyone would be able to appreciate. But I definitely give it a compliment that I can describe the whole thing as "people talking shit to each other". It's it being the most interesting and engaging shit that has ever been talked.
The dialogue is incredibly good for sure. It's just that it's nothing important being discussed for the most part. It's just "normal" conversations without being about some big, dramatical event or story. So if you need that for the conversation to be interesting then maybe that's what's missing for you?
Maybe that's it. On the other hand I was really annoyed at some phrases, some of which were even used repeadetly. For example Hanekawa's "I don't know everything. I just know what I know.". Yeah, no shit. I think it's also the characters that I don't like and thus I don't like their dialouge. Although the characters are pretty much defined by their dialouge so I thought it was the other way around.
On December 04 2015 21:14 Miragee wrote: The highs of HxH are definitely higher than those of Bakemonogatari
No.
Well it doesn't really make sense to compare them because they're different genres and have different styles like Testie and you said but in terms of pure conversations there is no way that Hunter x Hunter wins. Bakemonogatari is based entirely around the storytelling and conversations. HxH is 90% "you've activated my trap card, taste my special nen power and watch me outsmart you!! Look at all these dramatic emotional things that happened!" iirc the highest intellectual conversation was that chess/checkers game thing and that was no where close to the banter that monogatari has. Sure the things that happen might be more heartwrenching or moral dilemma-y but the dialogue isn't better.
You probably didn't watch any of the Hunter Election arc then. I think that one was the best in terms of dialouge in all of HxH. The phantom troupe arc was quite decent in that regard as well.
On December 04 2015 07:47 Miragee wrote: The dialouge is starting to get old in Bakemonogatari. Dunno, feels very formulaic and repetitive, despite it's unique tone in the beginning. I'll be honest and say that I'm bored. That the story is quite predictable so far doesn't help, either. Oh well, one episode left.
Bakemonogatari has a story?
I think the short stories in each arc about the girls count as stories.
Bakemonogatari serves more as an introduction to most of the main cast. A core theme is "you can only help yourself"(what's the actual saying miragee?:<) which if you were paying attention to you'd realize the only girl shown so far that actually has done this is Hitagi so outside of her it's just introducing the cast and their issues. If you aren't enjoying it now then you won't enjoy it later really. It's all about the girls talking smack to each other mostly.
How did episode 12 make you blow your load everywhere then grin like an idiot for months? Crab what a Goddess dammit.
Eh, I'm not good with sayings in english but you are probably looking for something akin to "you can only change yourself" (yeah, I just exchanged one word...). I think there are a lot of sayings around that sentiment.
It's actually quite sad if I think about it but Hitagi was the only one carrying the show. I enjoyed all the conversations involving her. The conversations with all the other characters were quite plain and, as I said, felt formulaic and repetitive. Long parts of them felt like stupid one-liner banters from battle shounens with adjusted context. Well, Oshino was decent as well but he had even less screen time than Hitagi I think. Maybe I set my expectations a bit too high but when I think of series with great, engaging dialouge I think of shows like GitS, Spice & Wolf, LotGH, HxH and such. The only character that got close to that level was Hitagi and she didn't even have partner on her level because everyone else had the esteemed intellect of a toast. Welp, I guess I'm a bit too salty right now because I expected engaging dialouge the whole way through from a dialouge driven show but didn't get that. I will wait a bit and assess the whole thing again then but right now I'm not feeling like continuing with the Monogatari series.
Was ep12 the one with the date? If yes, that was great imho.
I asked you the saying because it's what Oshino repeats constantly throughout Bake :<. Yea ep 12 was the date one.
The thing about shows like S&W and LoGH is that the dialogue can be both good or bad depending on what viewpoint you look at it from. LoGH dialogue is very surreal and "preachy" at times. If you enjoy that kind of thing which I do then you'll find it good but if you were looking for more realistic dialogue than it won't necessarily appeal to you.
S&W and Monogatari are on a similiar coin in that regard. Fast "witty" dialogue that again isn't particularly realistic. Monagatari has the added advantage in this in that it feels more like what my friends and I sometimes do in conversation. All of us sitting there with snappy one liners to try shit talk the other person. It's just Monogatari takes this to the extreme and then it also sometimes goes into LoGH territory in that it starts becoming preachy with regard to ideology. I don't think any of these shows have weak dialogue, merely different in the way they approach it.
Well, that's exactly the problem. I don't think any of the conversations are particularly witty, except for those including Hitagi or Oshino. When I want shitty, realisitic dialouge with stupid one-liners and a dose of wittyness I will meet up with my friends and do just that. I don't watch shows for an artificial, worse version of my own life.
But while my decription of the series makes it sound like the concept for the worlds dullest anime, the main strength of the show is actually in its dialogue. Since it's a series that relies heavily on mind-bogglingly complex and engaging character interactions. Both Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari have some of the most well written, witty, funny and engaging dialogue I've ever seen. It's full of wordplay, popcult references and sarcasm [which btw, does pretty much not exist in JP], while the quirky artstyle and visuals combined make it some sort of symphony of dialogue and colour. It's a very interesting experience to say the least and not something everyone would be able to appreciate. But I definitely give it a compliment that I can describe the whole thing as "people talking shit to each other". It's it being the most interesting and engaging shit that has ever been talked.
The dialogue is incredibly good for sure. It's just that it's nothing important being discussed for the most part. It's just "normal" conversations without being about some big, dramatical event or story. So if you need that for the conversation to be interesting then maybe that's what's missing for you?
Maybe that's it. On the other hand I was really annoyed at some phrases, some of which were even used repeadetly. For example Hanekawa's "I don't know everything. I just know what I know.". Yeah, no shit. I think it's also the characters that I don't like and thus I don't like their dialouge. Although the characters are pretty much defined by their dialouge so I thought it was the other way around.
I think it's definitely you not liking the character l0l. Hanekawa's line might be repeated a number of times but it's apt. Ougi and Gaen also have lines to a similar degree. It essentially sums up their character and how they interact with Koyomi.
Bakemonogatari's dialogue was boring, but it never really annoyed me. The only time I can think of annoying dialogue was how everyone talked in Tetsujin 28-go, where everyone would talk like. "Statement. That's right, elaboration on previous statement!" Its like every single person spoke in exposition like that at all times.
im around ep 6 in Bakemonogatari and don't really like it
from the first ep , its way way too "staged", "contrived" for me
i would describe it as masturbatory . the author basically gets some girls and makes them talk super smart or whatever to bounce some dialogue off an MC.
its unrealistic and just feels completely masturbatory, i literally spent most of the time imagining a male author jacking off to his character dialogues
that was mainly crab girl tho, courage girl was a lot better and with her in the mix there were times where i could become more absorbed in it rather than feel like i'm watching a bunch of puppets get moved around by some bloke with his dick out
Lol'd at your opinion so far. Well, even though most people here adore Monogatari, I personally didn't really like it. I kind of know what you mean, though it didn't bother me THAT much and I managed to watch until the end of Monogatari 2nd season. Couldn't motivate myself to watch more.
Now I'm gonna watch Noragami ep 10, kinda hyped. I know a lot of people were shocked after the last episode. :D
Okay, I expected worse. Episode was pretty good. Standard that the episode ended when it was the most exciting. :D Obviously Yato isn't gonna die, but I do wonder what will happen next.
On December 05 2015 04:05 FFGenerations wrote: im around ep 6 in Bakemonogatari and don't really like it
from the first ep , its way way too "staged", "contrived" for me
i would describe it as masturbatory . the author basically gets some girls and makes them talk super smart or whatever to bounce some dialogue off an MC.
its unrealistic and just feels completely masturbatory, i literally spent most of the time imagining a male author jacking off to his character dialogues
that was mainly crab girl tho, courage girl was a lot better and with her in the mix there were times where i could become more absorbed in it rather than feel like i'm watching a bunch of puppets get moved around by some bloke with his dick out
i'll watch more .... sometime
I think you should go masturbate. That's clearly really on your mind.
edit: Just finished Cross Game. Dam that ending was so good. This is why you take your time building a story instead of having 13 episode rush.
On December 05 2015 04:10 HolydaKing wrote: Now I'm gonna watch Noragami ep 10, kinda hyped. I know a lot of people were shocked after the last episode. :D
What was shocking about that episode? My memories are clouded.
On December 05 2015 00:26 Sentenal wrote: Bakemonogatari's dialogue was boring, but it never really annoyed me. The only time I can think of annoying dialogue was how everyone talked in Tetsujin 28-go, where everyone would talk like. "Statement. That's right, elaboration on previous statement!" Its like every single person spoke in exposition like that at all times.
It generally didn't annoy me, either. As said, it were some phrases (I put one there as example).
On another note: The demon designs in Ushio to Tora are freaking gross.
Daughter confirmed. That much was expected. Her being Dr. Shiki's "imposter" was also expected.
I thought the cart was used as the escape, and that the body was for the shock factor to enable said escape. I guess it was only intended to draw attention away from the elevator?
The whole timeshift thing explains why the escape wasn't recorded, but it doesn't explain why the guard didn't catch the door opening.
The rationale behind the robot is dumb. Its only use is to unlock a door? Come on.
Yes but actually watching the footage having a full minute missing would lead to an obvious jump forward 1 min. Unless everyone there froze in place and didn't move for a full minute the footage should have had an obvious point where it skipped forward.
In regards to monogatari dialogue, apparently us plebs who don't know Japanese miss most of the cleverness if the dialogue anyway. Which is why the God damn LNS aren't fullyou translated because it's so hard to do apparently.
The answer is that the jump doesn't happen during the cart bit. It's more likely that Michiru's escape happened earlier. She was already in the basement/elevator when the cart came out.
On December 05 2015 04:10 HolydaKing wrote: Now I'm gonna watch Noragami ep 10, kinda hyped. I know a lot of people were shocked after the last episode. :D
What was shocking about that episode? My memories are clouded.
On December 05 2015 00:26 Sentenal wrote: Bakemonogatari's dialogue was boring, but it never really annoyed me. The only time I can think of annoying dialogue was how everyone talked in Tetsujin 28-go, where everyone would talk like. "Statement. That's right, elaboration on previous statement!" Its like every single person spoke in exposition like that at all times.
It generally didn't annoy me, either. As said, it were some phrases (I put one there as example).
On another note: The demon designs in Ushio to Tora are freaking gross.
Nothing truely shocking. Except people were really mad at that guy stealing the first kiss, as you can maybe imagine (people wanted Yato to be it xD). Honestly, if you pay attention you knew that the people forget about gods rather fast, so that she forgot Yato so quickly isn't surprising.
Oh and Ushio to Tora is pretty good still. I wanna see how it ends, though if I remember correctly there'll be another season so that'll have to wait. And imo the demon/beast designs are good. :D
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