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On May 31 2015 08:51 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 08:29 Spazer wrote:On May 31 2015 05:43 Miragee wrote:On May 31 2015 05:27 Unleashing wrote:On May 31 2015 05:22 Miragee wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thanks for clarifying on Gilgamesh/Archer.
Yeah it kinda fits his character to leave them but it's still a plot-convenience. He still changed his mind pretty suddenly.
The explanation about Shirou's abilities is not really an explanation. It's like saying "he got better because.". It's also what Saber said this episode. I still don't know why he that happened. + Show Spoiler +There was literally an entire scene dedicated to showcasing him improving with his magic with each blow they exchanged in the previous episode. Archer: Now i get it. That explains why you're so tough. I've heard of magecraft that enables you to master old skills by communing with past selves and letting them possess you. It appears that, everytime our swords clash, your skills are being honed. Everytime they exchange blows a bit of archer's experience flows into shirou as demonstrated quite clearly in those scenes with there being magic running from the impact of the swords back through his magic circuits and through his entire body. Alright, I don't like this style of coming up with things in a setting but I guess it's satisfying enough. + Show Spoiler +It's been a long time since I've read the VN, but I kinda remember one part where Saber is training Shirou (because he's a huge shitter and a liability in fights. But I digress). Eventually, Shirou opts to adopt Archer's fighting style rather than Saber's because it feels "natural" to him. Which makes sense - what works for Archer should also work for Shirou, considering they're the same person.
The same logic is applied to Shirou's choice of weapon. Shirou can make a projection of any weapon he likes, but more often than not, the one he chooses to create is Kanshou and Bakuya. He never saw those swords before he met Archer, but he's still inexplicably drawn to them.
There is also a plot point in Heaven's Feel relating Shirou's and Archer's skills, but I won't spoil that. Actually this reminds me something I thought of but don't remember the explanation for. How come in Heaven's Feel + Show Spoiler +projections really fuck up his body? You can even die in a bad end just from using like 3 projections in a row. How come Shirou in HF blows at them but in UBW hes just projecting all over the place ezpz.
HF spoilers:
+ Show Spoiler +Shirou gets Archer's arm grafted to him. It gives him Servant-level power and Archer's skills, but slowly destroys his mind and body.
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On May 31 2015 09:37 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 09:15 Imperfect1987 wrote:
It seems a lot of the "battles" in DxD lately are just people getting one shot by random abilities never shown before. Some of them look pretty cool but calling them battles is a stretch. I find the show pretty funny even during serious scenes because the scenarios are so ridiculous. A basic effect of an adaptation. Juggernaut Drive is not something randomly pulled out of no where. Sir Zechs I don't think did what he did in the LN either, but its not much of a stretch for the #1 ruler in the underworld to 1 shot some mid-teir dude. if anything they just wanted to plug him in there to show off his powers. I dunno about the scenarios being that ridiculous iiirc outside of the ecchi/harem/lewd shit (which are just details) most of the stuff has been pretty straight forward and reasonable, though perhaps under explained in the anime. The main thing they kind of botched is the design of Juggernaut Drive and how they were able to snap him out of it.
I wouldnt say it was a botch when you see how monsterous juggernaut drive is and then they turn him back with oppai dragon song. That would be pure WTF?
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On May 31 2015 09:43 IceHism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 09:37 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 09:15 Imperfect1987 wrote:
It seems a lot of the "battles" in DxD lately are just people getting one shot by random abilities never shown before. Some of them look pretty cool but calling them battles is a stretch. I find the show pretty funny even during serious scenes because the scenarios are so ridiculous. A basic effect of an adaptation. Juggernaut Drive is not something randomly pulled out of no where. Sir Zechs I don't think did what he did in the LN either, but its not much of a stretch for the #1 ruler in the underworld to 1 shot some mid-teir dude. if anything they just wanted to plug him in there to show off his powers. I dunno about the scenarios being that ridiculous iiirc outside of the ecchi/harem/lewd shit (which are just details) most of the stuff has been pretty straight forward and reasonable, though perhaps under explained in the anime. The main thing they kind of botched is the design of Juggernaut Drive and how they were able to snap him out of it. I wouldnt say it was a botch when you see how monsterous juggernaut drive is and then they turn him back with oppai dragon song. That would be pure WTF?
They should have been more monstrous with it tbh, Issei was more savage/primal and the attack at the end wasn't as impressive as it should have been. I can see why they changed the end to emphasize Rias x Issei (that and the original scene is ridiculous lol but hilarious).
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I havn't watched the episode yet but I I had the same feeling Imperfect had for almost the entire show. Remember when I mentioned that I thought Akeno and that entire scene with them going on a date just felt like a joke and as a result Akeno too felt like a joke character to me?
I can't really put my finger on it but even if they try to be serious about something it just feels off to the point that it's ridiculous.
Maybe it's just hard to to suddenly pull the switch from "lol he's talking to boobs" to something else even if it's supposed to be serious time because you're still stuck on that earlier scene, so you're walking through the entire season as if everything's just on that level of silliness.
Reading, at least for me, takes more time in itself so it's way less back to back in those regards, which probably makes it easier to separate those things.
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That's weird to me Toad. The whole thing was her coping with her issues and being scared/confused and I don't see how you can take that as a joke. Maybe its because I read the source so I know all the details that were left out so I was able to fill everything in and just recognize it as them showing a few parts of a much longer plot point? Dunno how it would be if I didn't know the background, though I think everyone who read the LN has acknowledged how weak Akeno's arc was because of the rush job they did on it.
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I don't even know what part of that 5 minute date the anime showed cured her from her trauma she has had for years (!). Or maybe it was him talking to her boobs/heart that made her feel better.
For anime-only people it's kinda like this:
You always knew there was something Akeno has had a mental problem with.
You are told what it is and realize how serious of an issue it must have been for her.
Suddenly everything's fine because ... idk?!?
That being said, the entire scene was confusing at that time and I thought it was some kind of hallucination he had and not a new power, so it made no sense to me. Maybe it makes more sense with that knowledge if I rewatch that now.
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No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke.
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On May 31 2015 10:44 Slaughter wrote:
No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke.
Because it's literally everything I know about her
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On May 31 2015 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 10:44 Slaughter wrote:
No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke. Because it's literally everything I know about her
Sure if you ignore the previous two seasons.
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On May 31 2015 11:25 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 10:44 Slaughter wrote:
No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke. Because it's literally everything I know about her Sure if you ignore the previous two seasons.
but that was her hiding everything there is to her so that we don't understand her because she didn't want people to know about it. The entire point of her has always been "you don't actually know anything about her and this is just a facade" for the first two seasons. We knew there was something about her but not what. And now for the first time you actually see her true self and it made no sense whatsoever to me.
She had something going for her that way, not my thing but it was decent enough. It just wasn't herself, but I never called her a joke up to that point because you simply didn't know what's about her.
Very much like Hanekawa actually and how Eca calls everyone who calls himself a Hanekawa-fan without having read season3 books yet an idiot.
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On May 31 2015 11:44 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 11:25 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 10:44 Slaughter wrote:
No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke. Because it's literally everything I know about her Sure if you ignore the previous two seasons. but that was her hiding everything there is to her so that we don't understand her because she didn't want people to know about it. The entire point of her has always been "you don't actually know anything about her and this is just a facade" for the first two seasons. We knew there was something about her but not what. And now for the first time you actually see her true self and it made no sense whatsoever to me. She had something going for her that way, not my thing but it was decent enough. It just wasn't herself, but I never called her a joke up to that point because you simply didn't know what's about her. Very much like Hanekawa actually and how Eca calls everyone who calls himself a Hanekawa-fan without having read season3 books yet an idiot.
? She wasn't hiding everything about herself, she was basically just hiding and denying her heritage and father. They even addressed it in S2 when she showed her fallen angel wings to Issei. Its not like her personality was a lie, you just didn't see the full picture and her vulnerable side.
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On May 31 2015 12:38 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 11:44 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 11:25 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 10:44 Slaughter wrote:
No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke. Because it's literally everything I know about her Sure if you ignore the previous two seasons. but that was her hiding everything there is to her so that we don't understand her because she didn't want people to know about it. The entire point of her has always been "you don't actually know anything about her and this is just a facade" for the first two seasons. We knew there was something about her but not what. And now for the first time you actually see her true self and it made no sense whatsoever to me. She had something going for her that way, not my thing but it was decent enough. It just wasn't herself, but I never called her a joke up to that point because you simply didn't know what's about her. Very much like Hanekawa actually and how Eca calls everyone who calls himself a Hanekawa-fan without having read season3 books yet an idiot. ? She wasn't hiding everything about herself, she was basically just hiding and denying her heritage and father. They even addressed it in S2 when she showed her fallen angel wings to Issei. Its not like her personality was a lie, you just didn't see the full picture and her vulnerable side.
Yes, we've known her personality but not the reasoning behind it. To me, if the explanation WHY she ended up with that personality and how she got there is that much of a joke, that, by extension, makes her personality a joke. WHATEVER it might have been, so I really couldn't care less about what I thought about her before that arc.
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On May 31 2015 13:07 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 12:38 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 11:44 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 11:25 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 10:44 Slaughter wrote:
No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke. Because it's literally everything I know about her Sure if you ignore the previous two seasons. but that was her hiding everything there is to her so that we don't understand her because she didn't want people to know about it. The entire point of her has always been "you don't actually know anything about her and this is just a facade" for the first two seasons. We knew there was something about her but not what. And now for the first time you actually see her true self and it made no sense whatsoever to me. She had something going for her that way, not my thing but it was decent enough. It just wasn't herself, but I never called her a joke up to that point because you simply didn't know what's about her. Very much like Hanekawa actually and how Eca calls everyone who calls himself a Hanekawa-fan without having read season3 books yet an idiot. ? She wasn't hiding everything about herself, she was basically just hiding and denying her heritage and father. They even addressed it in S2 when she showed her fallen angel wings to Issei. Its not like her personality was a lie, you just didn't see the full picture and her vulnerable side. Yes, we've known her personality but not the reasoning behind it. To me, if the explanation WHY she ended up with that personality and how she got there is that much of a joke, that, by extension, makes her personality a joke. WHATEVER it might have been, so I really couldn't care less about what I thought about her before that arc.
Her past doesn't explain how she is. Her personality in S1 and 2 were her regardless of her past, she just opened up more to him as things went on and showed her vulnerable side (which is affected by her past).
Man Knights of Sidonia teasing me so much.
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Holy... World Trigger is advancing really slowly right now, it reminds me of One Piece in that regard (The later one being almost unbearable atm). Well, at least there are still some things happening.
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A'ight who's watching this with me next season?
http://myanimelist.net/anime/30705/Makura_no_Danshi
Makura no Danshi, the new television anime from Earth Star Entertainment will premiere this July. This "new and novel animation entirely in the first-person perspective" is designed to "heal tired hearts."
Natsuki Hanae will play one of 12 "makura no danshi" (pillow boys), all full of distinctly individual personalities and each catering to viewers who like a certain "type." The boys all live in the same town underneath a starry sky. Each of the "makura no danshi" will star his own weekly episode as they "sleep beside you and whisper."
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On May 31 2015 09:43 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 08:51 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 08:29 Spazer wrote:On May 31 2015 05:43 Miragee wrote:On May 31 2015 05:27 Unleashing wrote:On May 31 2015 05:22 Miragee wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thanks for clarifying on Gilgamesh/Archer.
Yeah it kinda fits his character to leave them but it's still a plot-convenience. He still changed his mind pretty suddenly.
The explanation about Shirou's abilities is not really an explanation. It's like saying "he got better because.". It's also what Saber said this episode. I still don't know why he that happened. + Show Spoiler +There was literally an entire scene dedicated to showcasing him improving with his magic with each blow they exchanged in the previous episode. Archer: Now i get it. That explains why you're so tough. I've heard of magecraft that enables you to master old skills by communing with past selves and letting them possess you. It appears that, everytime our swords clash, your skills are being honed. Everytime they exchange blows a bit of archer's experience flows into shirou as demonstrated quite clearly in those scenes with there being magic running from the impact of the swords back through his magic circuits and through his entire body. Alright, I don't like this style of coming up with things in a setting but I guess it's satisfying enough. + Show Spoiler +It's been a long time since I've read the VN, but I kinda remember one part where Saber is training Shirou (because he's a huge shitter and a liability in fights. But I digress). Eventually, Shirou opts to adopt Archer's fighting style rather than Saber's because it feels "natural" to him. Which makes sense - what works for Archer should also work for Shirou, considering they're the same person.
The same logic is applied to Shirou's choice of weapon. Shirou can make a projection of any weapon he likes, but more often than not, the one he chooses to create is Kanshou and Bakuya. He never saw those swords before he met Archer, but he's still inexplicably drawn to them.
There is also a plot point in Heaven's Feel relating Shirou's and Archer's skills, but I won't spoil that. Actually this reminds me something I thought of but don't remember the explanation for. How come in Heaven's Feel + Show Spoiler +projections really fuck up his body? You can even die in a bad end just from using like 3 projections in a row. How come Shirou in HF blows at them but in UBW hes just projecting all over the place ezpz. HF spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Shirou gets Archer's arm grafted to him. It gives him Servant-level power and Archer's skills, but slowly destroys his mind and body.
Big part of HF is also + Show Spoiler +that Shirou abandons his ideals to become a hero, and tries to save and protect Sakura for more personal reasons.
The UBW Reality Marble is basically the representation of their view that their bodies are only weapons for justice. So when Shirou slips from his ideals, he's also losing that Reality Marble...but Archer's power still relies on their bodies being "made of swords", so it basically compensates when he uses the arm.
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On May 31 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 13:07 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 12:38 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 11:44 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 11:25 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 10:44 Slaughter wrote:
No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke. Because it's literally everything I know about her Sure if you ignore the previous two seasons. but that was her hiding everything there is to her so that we don't understand her because she didn't want people to know about it. The entire point of her has always been "you don't actually know anything about her and this is just a facade" for the first two seasons. We knew there was something about her but not what. And now for the first time you actually see her true self and it made no sense whatsoever to me. She had something going for her that way, not my thing but it was decent enough. It just wasn't herself, but I never called her a joke up to that point because you simply didn't know what's about her. Very much like Hanekawa actually and how Eca calls everyone who calls himself a Hanekawa-fan without having read season3 books yet an idiot. ? She wasn't hiding everything about herself, she was basically just hiding and denying her heritage and father. They even addressed it in S2 when she showed her fallen angel wings to Issei. Its not like her personality was a lie, you just didn't see the full picture and her vulnerable side. Yes, we've known her personality but not the reasoning behind it. To me, if the explanation WHY she ended up with that personality and how she got there is that much of a joke, that, by extension, makes her personality a joke. WHATEVER it might have been, so I really couldn't care less about what I thought about her before that arc. Her past doesn't explain how she is. Her personality in S1 and 2 were her regardless of her past, she just opened up more to him as things went on and showed her vulnerable side (which is affected by her past). Man Knights of Sidonia teasing me so much.
I'm gonna have to agree somewhat with toad here. While i think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a joke, i feel with the way the anime ended up handling her issues it might've been better for the story and her character to just skip it entirely. It felt far too rushed and far too sudden, suddenly her father is there and she's super troubled about it and then she's fine. Obviously they can't just skip it and ishibumi said on his blog the BDs would supposedly contain some of the things that were skipped/rushed through, so there's always that i suppose.
The main problem for me is that the LNs were building up that arc from volume 4 to volume 7 and we learned more about Akenko gradually until the date + the + Show Spoiler +battle against loki where chichigami arrives because Issei 'saved' akeno's breasts
Volume 5 and 7 got shafted for them to adapt volume 6 somewhat properly it seems, which kind of blows because outside of JD it's a very meh volume and volume 5 was far more interesting.
In general this season is just a disappointment honestly. I didn't so much mind JD not being as primal/savage even though i would've loved to see it but in the end it still disappointed me, especially with the oppai dragon song being cut 
On the bright side maybe this season will have more Ravel after the rating game as promised 
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On May 31 2015 17:28 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 13:07 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 12:38 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 11:44 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 11:25 Slaughter wrote:On May 31 2015 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:On May 31 2015 10:44 Slaughter wrote:
No you were right to be confused there, they did a poor job of it. I don't contest that the arc was a mess from the standpoint of pacing and how much information they actually gave you. I mostly was referring to how I don't understand that the failed adaptation of a characters arc turns the character itself into a joke. Because it's literally everything I know about her Sure if you ignore the previous two seasons. but that was her hiding everything there is to her so that we don't understand her because she didn't want people to know about it. The entire point of her has always been "you don't actually know anything about her and this is just a facade" for the first two seasons. We knew there was something about her but not what. And now for the first time you actually see her true self and it made no sense whatsoever to me. She had something going for her that way, not my thing but it was decent enough. It just wasn't herself, but I never called her a joke up to that point because you simply didn't know what's about her. Very much like Hanekawa actually and how Eca calls everyone who calls himself a Hanekawa-fan without having read season3 books yet an idiot. ? She wasn't hiding everything about herself, she was basically just hiding and denying her heritage and father. They even addressed it in S2 when she showed her fallen angel wings to Issei. Its not like her personality was a lie, you just didn't see the full picture and her vulnerable side. Yes, we've known her personality but not the reasoning behind it. To me, if the explanation WHY she ended up with that personality and how she got there is that much of a joke, that, by extension, makes her personality a joke. WHATEVER it might have been, so I really couldn't care less about what I thought about her before that arc. Her past doesn't explain how she is. Her personality in S1 and 2 were her regardless of her past, she just opened up more to him as things went on and showed her vulnerable side (which is affected by her past). Man Knights of Sidonia teasing me so much. I'm gonna have to agree somewhat with toad here. While i think it's a bit of a stretch to call it a joke, i feel with the way the anime ended up handling her issues it might've been better for the story and her character to just skip it entirely. It felt far too rushed and far too sudden, suddenly her father is there and she's super troubled about it and then she's fine. Obviously they can't just skip it and ishibumi said on his blog the BDs would supposedly contain some of the things that were skipped/rushed through, so there's always that i suppose. The main problem for me is that the LNs were building up that arc from volume 4 to volume 7 and we learned more about Akenko gradually until the date + the + Show Spoiler +battle against loki where chichigami arrives because Issei 'saved' akeno's breasts Volume 5 and 7 got shafted for them to adapt volume 6 somewhat properly it seems, which kind of blows because outside of JD it's a very meh volume and volume 5 was far more interesting. In general this season is just a disappointment honestly. I didn't so much mind JD not being as primal/savage even though i would've loved to see it but in the end it still disappointed me, especially with the oppai dragon song being cut On the bright side maybe this season will have more Ravel after the rating game as promised
I agree with your and Toad's points on that, but that wasn't what I was arguing ;p
What did you think of the JD design? I thought it had its good and bad points personally.
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