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On May 13 2015 04:43 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 04:41 Toadesstern wrote:On May 13 2015 04:28 IceHism wrote:On May 13 2015 04:17 Numy wrote:
So you only get healed watching cute lolis get emotionally destroyed to the point of depression and suicidal tendencies. That's fucked up man. No, the healing comes when everything becomes alright in the end! when the trial is over and things can get better try watching Kyoukai no Kanata! I bet you, noone saw that ending comming! + Show Spoiler +please don't watch it, it was just a pun on "everything becomes alright" The series wasn't good to begin with but that ending just ruined any part of it that might've been worthwhile.
the idol episode was good! And S-imouto had great boobs. For the longest time I thought she was just that big because of her ferret that looked like it was living in her sweater but she's actually really big, as could be seen when she appeared in bikini!
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Now we have all these casuals thinking knk means that trash. Sigh why did they even make it. The best part of the whole series was the idle filler ep. Also that imouto was awesome. So cute, so hot, so lovely.
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I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode 
Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it
+ Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit.
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On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit.
i thought Urara chan was just being possessive there since she is in love
Ushio is always mad at yamada from what i see.
On May 13 2015 04:42 Slaughter wrote:
In the end things really didn't change all that much lol. Still loli exploitation by cats.
Yea, but they don't become a mess of negative emotions!
Now they just fight the fears and demons of people manifested into life.
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On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit.
+ Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a douche and continues to be one in future arcs. edit: oh you mean why Urara made Yamada help fix Nene. Uh, she has a strong moral compass? idek.
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On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs.
+ Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it.
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On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it.
+ Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold.
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On May 13 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it. + Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold.
+ Show Spoiler +Yeah he was definitely gloating, which i could understand. His life was made fairly miserable for not really doing anything wrong. Then Ushio goes all "Hurf in the end it all worked out" as though the ends justify the means, he and Nene both treated Yamada absolutely awfully.
I should probably add the scumbag comment in my first post was directed at Nene and Ushio, not Urara. Re-reading my own post that might not have been clear.
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On May 13 2015 05:32 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it. + Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold. + Show Spoiler +Yeah he was definitely gloating, which i could understand. His life was made fairly miserable for not really doing anything wrong. Then Ushio goes all "Hurf in the end it all worked out" as though the ends justify the means, he and Nene both treated Yamada absolutely awfully.
I should probably add the scumbag comment in my first post was directed at Nene and Ushio, not Urara. Re-reading my own post that might not have been clear.
+ Show Spoiler +Ushio is more or less a part of the antagonist faction when it comes to this series. sasuga~
As for Nene, your (the reader) very first impression of her is that she's very manipulative but I don't recall holding it against her tbh. She obv has many better moments in upcoming chapters that eventually won me over so it was easy to overlook the initial impression of her, I suppose.
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On May 13 2015 00:10 HolydaKing wrote:
Afaik Mushishi is pretty much just episodical with no coherent plot? I watched a few episodes and while it was pretty, I couldn't keep watching it because I don't really like such shows.
Yes I know. But I also think that this kind of show doesn't need an overarching plot. World-building would serve perfectly as an "over-arching plot". That's what I'm hoping for. The little stories don't need to be connected but I want to know more about how Mushi work and how they can be so different etc.
On May 13 2015 00:38 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:46 Miragee wrote:
Mushishi wow. Seems like they had a fairly low budget. All the blank faces. Also a lot of the side characters really look alike. But it's pretty much my only concern with the show so far and a pretty minor one at that. I just hope that there will be more in depth information in the future but so far I'm fine that I only get to see different forms of Mushi. The stories themselves have been very enjoyable so far. That has to be first time I hear people complain about Mushishi budget.
I'm not really complaining, the blank faces just hit me. I think the general art is amazing, backrounds+music create such a rich atmosphere.
On May 13 2015 01:59 maru~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:46 Miragee wrote:
Also a lot of the side characters really look alike.
I believe that's intentional. They're just normal people, your everyday folk. It also creates a contrast to Ginko's unusual appearance + Show Spoiler +which is due to him having a deeper connection to mushi than most . Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 23:46 Miragee wrote:
I just hope that there will be more in depth information in the future but so far I'm fine that I only get to see different forms of Mushi. The stories themselves have been very enjoyable so far.
In-depth information about what? The mushi are, in the world of Mushishi, a part of nature just like plants, animals etc. I guess you do get some tidbits here and there, but it's mostly just about the different mushi, their effects on everyday people and how Ginko deals with it. Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 00:46 IceHism wrote:
Also, the thing I don't like about mushishi is that the stories are so simple and so calm. No tension. That's the beauty of it. Some episodes definitely have tension though, especially in the second season.
1. Well alright. It's still strange but I can see that it was intentional.
2. I wanna know how Mushi take these different forms btw. What leads them to differentiate. I mean, getting to know what different Mushis can do is pretty interesting as well but it just touches the surface of what would be possible in such a show.
3. I like that there is no tension. The stories are quite simple on the surface, often times with both, sad and happy messages. But I love to take a dive into such an atmospheric world and relax and enjoy it.
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On May 13 2015 05:32 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it. + Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold. + Show Spoiler +Yeah he was definitely gloating, which i could understand. His life was made fairly miserable for not really doing anything wrong. Then Ushio goes all "Hurf in the end it all worked out" as though the ends justify the means, he and Nene both treated Yamada absolutely awfully.
I should probably add the scumbag comment in my first post was directed at Nene and Ushio, not Urara. Re-reading my own post that might not have been clear.
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Ushio is def a douche but leaving Nene as is would have been a magnitude higher on the dick scale then her little blackmail to make Shirashi not take an exam (that actually has 0 effect on Shirashi's future and is a minor jab at Miyamura's chances to become pres). Ushio of course was a huge prick for what he did to Yamada but Nene wasn't part of that which is why Shirashi straight up told him that he was fucking over Nene in a really bad way just to spite Ushio and that wasn't good. Though in the manga things become a lot more murky with that but that is far beyond what the anime will cover.
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Mikagura 6
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rip budget, they really did run out after episode 3
But yay, finally purple hair ozawa ari is here.
i wonder what is next
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On May 13 2015 05:55 Miragee wrote:
2. I wanna know how Mushi take these different forms btw. What leads them to differentiate. I mean, getting to know what different Mushis can do is pretty interesting as well but it just touches the surface of what would be possible in such a show.
The whole point is basically just to touch the surface. The Mushi are just part of nature, folklore given mysterious forms.
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On May 13 2015 06:08 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:32 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it. + Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold. + Show Spoiler +Yeah he was definitely gloating, which i could understand. His life was made fairly miserable for not really doing anything wrong. Then Ushio goes all "Hurf in the end it all worked out" as though the ends justify the means, he and Nene both treated Yamada absolutely awfully.
I should probably add the scumbag comment in my first post was directed at Nene and Ushio, not Urara. Re-reading my own post that might not have been clear. + Show Spoiler +
Ushio is def a douche but leaving Nene as is would have been a magnitude higher on the dick scale then her little blackmail to make Shirashi not take an exam (that actually has 0 effect on Shirashi's future and is a minor jab at Miyamura's chances to become pres). Ushio of course was a huge prick for what he did to Yamada but Nene wasn't part of that which is why Shirashi straight up told him that he was fucking over Nene in a really bad way just to spite Ushio and that wasn't good. Though in the manga things become a lot more murky with that but that is far beyond what the anime will cover.
+ Show Spoiler +'Little blackmail' it was more than implied that she'd keep using the image for even more blackmailing if not for the events that unfolded. Ontop of this i don't know if the manga is any different but the anime was definitely implying that it was because of her charm that Ushio decided to backstab Yamada and blame him for all of it and Nene clearly happily went with that and also accused yamada of starting the fight.
She clearly had no problems with making yamada miserable. She also had no problems with having Yamada fall under her charm so she could manipulate him and use him for her own gains, even if that did backfire on her.
She's gonna needs some kind of miraculous character development/redemption that turns her into a literal angel in terms of behavior for me to like her character ever after that.
Might just be me but blackmailing and backstabbing ontop of seemingly carelessly turning someone elses life miserable is pretty high up on the douchebag scale. I'm not even sure why but watching episode 5 made me hate her and ushio's characters a lot.
If Nene was actually against being awful towards Yamada then the anime definitely did an awful job of portraying that.
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On May 13 2015 06:15 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 05:55 Miragee wrote:
2. I wanna know how Mushi take these different forms btw. What leads them to differentiate. I mean, getting to know what different Mushis can do is pretty interesting as well but it just touches the surface of what would be possible in such a show. The whole point is basically just to touch the surface. The Mushi are just part of nature, folklore given mysterious forms.
Yeah it's probably just me being a scientist, lol. But if the surface of something seems interesting I always want to go more indepth and learn how it really works together etc. Sure they are part of nature and mysterious and I don't think it would be good to learn every last bit about them. Still, I think there can be a lot of interesting tid-bits that lead to a greater picture, like an unfinished puzzle in the end.
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On May 13 2015 06:23 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 06:08 Slaughter wrote:On May 13 2015 05:32 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it. + Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold. + Show Spoiler +Yeah he was definitely gloating, which i could understand. His life was made fairly miserable for not really doing anything wrong. Then Ushio goes all "Hurf in the end it all worked out" as though the ends justify the means, he and Nene both treated Yamada absolutely awfully.
I should probably add the scumbag comment in my first post was directed at Nene and Ushio, not Urara. Re-reading my own post that might not have been clear. + Show Spoiler +
Ushio is def a douche but leaving Nene as is would have been a magnitude higher on the dick scale then her little blackmail to make Shirashi not take an exam (that actually has 0 effect on Shirashi's future and is a minor jab at Miyamura's chances to become pres). Ushio of course was a huge prick for what he did to Yamada but Nene wasn't part of that which is why Shirashi straight up told him that he was fucking over Nene in a really bad way just to spite Ushio and that wasn't good. Though in the manga things become a lot more murky with that but that is far beyond what the anime will cover.
+ Show Spoiler +'Little blackmail' it was more than implied that she'd keep using the image for even more blackmailing if not for the events that unfolded. Ontop of this i don't know if the manga is any different but the anime was definitely implying that it was because of her charm that Ushio decided to backstab Yamada and blame him for all of it and Nene clearly happily went with that and also accused yamada of starting the fight.
She clearly had no problems with making yamada miserable. She also had no problems with having Yamada fall under her charm so she could manipulate him and use him for her own gains, even if that did backfire on her.
She's gonna needs some kind of miraculous character development/redemption that turns her into a literal angel in terms of behavior for me to like her character ever after that.
Might just be me but blackmailing and backstabbing ontop of seemingly carelessly turning someone elses life miserable is pretty high up on the douchebag scale. I'm not even sure why but watching episode 5 made me hate her and ushio's characters a lot.
+ Show Spoiler +Nene didn't charm Ushio to fuck Yamada over in that fight, it was something he did on his own. Manga spoilers + Show Spoiler +it didn't go down exactly the way he thinks it did because his memories got fucked with a lot Besides Ushio is legit in love with Nene and doesn't need to be charmed to do anything for her. Yes making her be in love with him for the rest of her life IS much worse then school yard politics which is pretty petty shit. Nene really didn't do anything to make his life miserable except for him running around trying to fix things for a day, but in the end he is pretty much the bitch char for everyone so not exactly a big change keke. You won't see it in the anime but the story and characters will develop way past the point where the anime will end and for many Nene is #1 (see Neo lol). I would place her at slightly edging out Shirashi for the #2 spot atm.
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On May 13 2015 06:31 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 06:23 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 06:08 Slaughter wrote:On May 13 2015 05:32 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it. + Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold. + Show Spoiler +Yeah he was definitely gloating, which i could understand. His life was made fairly miserable for not really doing anything wrong. Then Ushio goes all "Hurf in the end it all worked out" as though the ends justify the means, he and Nene both treated Yamada absolutely awfully.
I should probably add the scumbag comment in my first post was directed at Nene and Ushio, not Urara. Re-reading my own post that might not have been clear. + Show Spoiler +
Ushio is def a douche but leaving Nene as is would have been a magnitude higher on the dick scale then her little blackmail to make Shirashi not take an exam (that actually has 0 effect on Shirashi's future and is a minor jab at Miyamura's chances to become pres). Ushio of course was a huge prick for what he did to Yamada but Nene wasn't part of that which is why Shirashi straight up told him that he was fucking over Nene in a really bad way just to spite Ushio and that wasn't good. Though in the manga things become a lot more murky with that but that is far beyond what the anime will cover.
+ Show Spoiler +'Little blackmail' it was more than implied that she'd keep using the image for even more blackmailing if not for the events that unfolded. Ontop of this i don't know if the manga is any different but the anime was definitely implying that it was because of her charm that Ushio decided to backstab Yamada and blame him for all of it and Nene clearly happily went with that and also accused yamada of starting the fight.
She clearly had no problems with making yamada miserable. She also had no problems with having Yamada fall under her charm so she could manipulate him and use him for her own gains, even if that did backfire on her.
She's gonna needs some kind of miraculous character development/redemption that turns her into a literal angel in terms of behavior for me to like her character ever after that.
Might just be me but blackmailing and backstabbing ontop of seemingly carelessly turning someone elses life miserable is pretty high up on the douchebag scale. I'm not even sure why but watching episode 5 made me hate her and ushio's characters a lot. + Show Spoiler +Nene didn't charm Ushio to fuck Yamada over in that fight, it was something he did on his own. Manga spoilers + Show Spoiler +it didn't go down exactly the way he thinks it did because his memories got fucked with a lot Besides Ushio is legit in love with Nene and doesn't need to be charmed to do anything for her. Yes making her be in love with him for the rest of her life IS much worse then school yard politics which is pretty petty shit. Nene really didn't do anything to make his life miserable except for him running around trying to fix things for a day, but in the end he is pretty much the bitch char for everyone so not exactly a big change keke. You won't see it in the anime but the story and characters will develop way past the point where the anime will end and for many Nene is #1 (see Neo lol). I would place her at slightly edging out Shirashi for the #2 spot atm.
+ Show Spoiler +"Nene really didn't do anything to make his life miserable"
Then why did she willingly lie about what happened regarding that fight? She clearly testified against yamada even though she knew she was lying lie and that he'd get wrongly accused of it.
Anime stated that both a boy and a girl from their school said that they saw yamada start the fight. If she was a good and decent person she wouldn't have lied to accuse someone else of something they didn't do.
And i really don't feel you can just ignore the blackmailing because she clearly WAS planning to keep using the image to blackmail him, it wasn't going to be just a one-time thing.
Idk man, the anime either did a shitty job at portraying it or she's a fairly shitty person so far in the anime
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On May 13 2015 06:35 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 06:31 Slaughter wrote:On May 13 2015 06:23 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 06:08 Slaughter wrote:On May 13 2015 05:32 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it. + Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold. + Show Spoiler +Yeah he was definitely gloating, which i could understand. His life was made fairly miserable for not really doing anything wrong. Then Ushio goes all "Hurf in the end it all worked out" as though the ends justify the means, he and Nene both treated Yamada absolutely awfully.
I should probably add the scumbag comment in my first post was directed at Nene and Ushio, not Urara. Re-reading my own post that might not have been clear. + Show Spoiler +
Ushio is def a douche but leaving Nene as is would have been a magnitude higher on the dick scale then her little blackmail to make Shirashi not take an exam (that actually has 0 effect on Shirashi's future and is a minor jab at Miyamura's chances to become pres). Ushio of course was a huge prick for what he did to Yamada but Nene wasn't part of that which is why Shirashi straight up told him that he was fucking over Nene in a really bad way just to spite Ushio and that wasn't good. Though in the manga things become a lot more murky with that but that is far beyond what the anime will cover.
+ Show Spoiler +'Little blackmail' it was more than implied that she'd keep using the image for even more blackmailing if not for the events that unfolded. Ontop of this i don't know if the manga is any different but the anime was definitely implying that it was because of her charm that Ushio decided to backstab Yamada and blame him for all of it and Nene clearly happily went with that and also accused yamada of starting the fight.
She clearly had no problems with making yamada miserable. She also had no problems with having Yamada fall under her charm so she could manipulate him and use him for her own gains, even if that did backfire on her.
She's gonna needs some kind of miraculous character development/redemption that turns her into a literal angel in terms of behavior for me to like her character ever after that.
Might just be me but blackmailing and backstabbing ontop of seemingly carelessly turning someone elses life miserable is pretty high up on the douchebag scale. I'm not even sure why but watching episode 5 made me hate her and ushio's characters a lot. + Show Spoiler +Nene didn't charm Ushio to fuck Yamada over in that fight, it was something he did on his own. Manga spoilers + Show Spoiler +it didn't go down exactly the way he thinks it did because his memories got fucked with a lot Besides Ushio is legit in love with Nene and doesn't need to be charmed to do anything for her. Yes making her be in love with him for the rest of her life IS much worse then school yard politics which is pretty petty shit. Nene really didn't do anything to make his life miserable except for him running around trying to fix things for a day, but in the end he is pretty much the bitch char for everyone so not exactly a big change keke. You won't see it in the anime but the story and characters will develop way past the point where the anime will end and for many Nene is #1 (see Neo lol). I would place her at slightly edging out Shirashi for the #2 spot atm. + Show Spoiler +"Nene really didn't do anything to make his life miserable"
Then why did she willingly lie about what happened regarding that fight? She clearly testified against yamada even though she knew she was lying lie and that he'd get wrongly accused of it.
Anime stated that both a boy and a girl from their school said that they saw yamada start the fight. If she was a good and decent person she wouldn't have lied to accuse someone else of something they didn't do.
And i really don't feel you can just ignore the blackmailing because she clearly WAS planning to keep using the image to blackmail him, it wasn't going to be just a one-time thing.
Idk man, the anime either did a shitty job at portraying it or she's a fairly shitty person so far in the anime
+ Show Spoiler +I can't explain that without spoiling the manga since the anime won't cover it. Short answer: She didn't. She wasn't meant to be a nice character at first but she wasn't meant to be a character who is spoiled as a bad person for the entire series. Hence why her deeds aren't meant to seem to be bad enough that she is irredeemable in the eyes of the reader.
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On May 13 2015 06:35 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 06:31 Slaughter wrote:On May 13 2015 06:23 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 06:08 Slaughter wrote:On May 13 2015 05:32 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 05:15 Unleashing wrote:On May 13 2015 05:12 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 13 2015 04:47 Unleashing wrote:I don't like idols so i honestly didn't even like the idol episode Edit: Also i recently finished Yamada episode 5 and something really bothered me about it + Show Spoiler +So let me get this straight, yamada was blackmailed, backstabbed and in general treated like shit and then people get mad when he doesn't want to help the people that did that shit to him?
I mean hell, she was planning to abuse her power to manipulate him. Like what the fuck, that's like grade-A scumbaggery.
Same with Ushio "hurr i don't regret backstabbing you because it turned out to be a good idea anyway!!"
No you're still a backstabbing piece of shit. + Show Spoiler +You talking about why Urara is telling Yamada to go find the other witches? Basically she views him as his savior, for all intents and purposes. She had no life outside of being a bookworm before Yamada showed up and he helped make her life better. While she probably does believe she is better off after him coming into her life, Urara also has the ulterior motive of if they do this witch expedition, it's a cover to spend more time with him. + Show Spoiler [witch 1 and 2] +Both Urara and Nene more or less fell for Yamada long before he even noticed them Ushio on the other hand, he's a motherfucker and continues to be one in future arcs. + Show Spoiler +No i'm talking about her getting mad enough to slap him for not wanting to remove the charm effect from Nene. I mean sure, he'd be just as petty as her for doing it but it would be fully understandeable if he didn't want to help them out imho. I understand that urara thinks better of him and that's why she ended up slapping him but he should be in his good right to not want to listen to Ushio and Nene's requests if he wanted after they treated him like actual human garbage.
You don't get to drag people through the mud and treat them like shit and then expect them to happily help you when you need it. + Show Spoiler +Trying to recall the episode more, wasn't he gloating at Ushio though? Granted if this was rl, I (maybe you too?) would def rub it in that asshat's face before coming around to do what's right. I guess the gloating part was too unbecoming of Yamada, thus the slap. She does really view him in high regard, fwiw. Urara doesn't even see the delinquent facade everyone else see, just all heart of gold. + Show Spoiler +Yeah he was definitely gloating, which i could understand. His life was made fairly miserable for not really doing anything wrong. Then Ushio goes all "Hurf in the end it all worked out" as though the ends justify the means, he and Nene both treated Yamada absolutely awfully.
I should probably add the scumbag comment in my first post was directed at Nene and Ushio, not Urara. Re-reading my own post that might not have been clear. + Show Spoiler +
Ushio is def a douche but leaving Nene as is would have been a magnitude higher on the dick scale then her little blackmail to make Shirashi not take an exam (that actually has 0 effect on Shirashi's future and is a minor jab at Miyamura's chances to become pres). Ushio of course was a huge prick for what he did to Yamada but Nene wasn't part of that which is why Shirashi straight up told him that he was fucking over Nene in a really bad way just to spite Ushio and that wasn't good. Though in the manga things become a lot more murky with that but that is far beyond what the anime will cover.
+ Show Spoiler +'Little blackmail' it was more than implied that she'd keep using the image for even more blackmailing if not for the events that unfolded. Ontop of this i don't know if the manga is any different but the anime was definitely implying that it was because of her charm that Ushio decided to backstab Yamada and blame him for all of it and Nene clearly happily went with that and also accused yamada of starting the fight.
She clearly had no problems with making yamada miserable. She also had no problems with having Yamada fall under her charm so she could manipulate him and use him for her own gains, even if that did backfire on her.
She's gonna needs some kind of miraculous character development/redemption that turns her into a literal angel in terms of behavior for me to like her character ever after that.
Might just be me but blackmailing and backstabbing ontop of seemingly carelessly turning someone elses life miserable is pretty high up on the douchebag scale. I'm not even sure why but watching episode 5 made me hate her and ushio's characters a lot. + Show Spoiler +Nene didn't charm Ushio to fuck Yamada over in that fight, it was something he did on his own. Manga spoilers + Show Spoiler +it didn't go down exactly the way he thinks it did because his memories got fucked with a lot Besides Ushio is legit in love with Nene and doesn't need to be charmed to do anything for her. Yes making her be in love with him for the rest of her life IS much worse then school yard politics which is pretty petty shit. Nene really didn't do anything to make his life miserable except for him running around trying to fix things for a day, but in the end he is pretty much the bitch char for everyone so not exactly a big change keke. You won't see it in the anime but the story and characters will develop way past the point where the anime will end and for many Nene is #1 (see Neo lol). I would place her at slightly edging out Shirashi for the #2 spot atm. + Show Spoiler +"Nene really didn't do anything to make his life miserable"
Then why did she willingly lie about what happened regarding that fight? She clearly testified against yamada even though she knew she was lying lie and that he'd get wrongly accused of it.
Anime stated that both a boy and a girl from their school said that they saw yamada start the fight. If she was a good and decent person she wouldn't have lied to accuse someone else of something they didn't do.
And i really don't feel you can just ignore the blackmailing because she clearly WAS planning to keep using the image to blackmail him, it wasn't going to be just a one-time thing.
Idk man, the anime either did a shitty job at portraying it or she's a fairly shitty person so far in the anime
fwiw, I find your reaction to be fairly normal (for what is presented in the animu thus far. Like Slaughter said, a lot changes in the manga. It's ongoing and not even resolved yet). Seeing your comments, I wonder why I was so forgiving/willing to overlook a lot of these transgressions tbh. zz
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Then i'll have to say that the anime either did a bad job or that the author managed to push all the buttons that makes me hate a character because it'll take a fucking miracle for me to like either of the two as characters again.
To each their own.
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